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Where would I rather live?

In a Barcelona safely sanitised and surveilled and squatter-free   3 votes - 15 %
In the Barcelona of squats and artists' colonies and unlicensed street performers   8 votes - 42 %
Somewhere much further away from the Guardia Urbana   2 votes - 10 %
In a squat   0 votes - 0 %
In a cave in a very remote and high mountain   6 votes - 31 %
 
19 Total Votes
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I'm hoping that our Spanish correspondents can offer wider/deeper context, confirmation/rebuttal, etc.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Mon May 21st, 2007 at 08:21:01 PM EST
Barcelona is, indeed, the squatter capital of Spain.

For the rest, kcurie is your man - he actually lives there.

Note that Spain has a Socialist government and that Catalonia's regional government is Socialist+Green Left+Republican Left, and the youth organisation of ERC cross-pollinates with the squatter movement. The mayor of Barcelona is also a Socialist, though I am not sure about a coalition in the city council.

Regarding urban renewal, the article you quote and yourself imagine that the squatter movement is motivated by an opposition to  gentrification, when in fact the point is to oppose absentee ownership.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 02:59:50 AM EST
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The point of the political colour of the police's masters is supposed to be an inductment of the masters, not an absolution of the police. If you look at Amnesty International's reports on Spain, police brutality and detention without charge (on application of "the counter-terrorism law") are longstanding problems.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 03:03:13 AM EST
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Hmm, the "counter-terrorism law" was approved in 1984 and repealed in 1988 after two unconstitutionality appeals... I need to research this bit further.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 09:51:38 AM EST
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I'd have placed anarchist movements more in Germany and Denmark (see the recent episodes around the G8 and of cleansing of Copenhagen).  Obviously we have our own 'rioters' in France.

But police abuse is certainly on an upwards trend - not surprising as our societies seem to crave "security" after being scared off by our politicians.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 02:46:56 AM EST
Our men (and women) from Barcelona have told about squatters in Barcelona, but as a blossoming community left to live.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 09:34:33 AM EST
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For use of the term Mediterranean Triangle for anarchist terrorism, read this [pdf!]. This is a 2005 report to the EP from Europol, based on member state reports. (Thus it is not by a monolythic European Union, nor are any states 'directed' to do anything.)

Here is the section on anarcho-terrorism in Spain in full:

Anarchist insurgence groups in Spain maintain close relationships - not only on an ideological level, but also as regards strategic support and co-operation - with groups of similar character in various European countries, mainly in Italy and Greece and, to a lesser extent, in France. Activists of these groups have carried out attacks on these countries' interests, almost in all cases from within their own national territory, as an act of solidarity with the demands of their ideological counterparts in the rest of the states affected.

In Spain, the last twelve months have seen the following acts of terrorism perpetrated by these groups - apart from other minor incidents-(in chronological order):
* Three attacks with Molotov cocktails against the DNI office at the
Granada city centre police station, the Guardia Civil headquarters and a "Burger King" restaurant in the same city;

  • Explosion of a device in a high-voltage pylon in San Quintín de Mediona (Barcelona);
  • Attack with two Molotov cocktails against a building of the Generalitat de Cataluña in Barcelona.

December 2004:
  • Explosion of two devices in the offices of real estate agencies in Barcelona;
  • Explosion of a device in a real estate agency in Barcelona.

January 2005:
* Explosion of a device in the Centro de Iniciativas para la Reinserción (Centre for Initiatives for Social Rehabilitation) of the Justice Department of the Generalitat in Barcelona.

April 2005:

  • Deactivation of an explosive device at a courier and urgent delivery service in Barcelona;
  • Explosion of a device near a real estate agency in Barcelona on two
separate occasions.

June 2005:
* Attack with three Molotov cocktails against two vehicles of the National Police Corps (CNP) and one of the Barcelona Local Police which at the time were entering a car park in Condal city.

July 2005:

  • Explosion of a device at the door of the Italian Cultural Institute in Barcelona;
  • Explosion of a device at an authorised "Fiat" car dealer located at el Prat de Llobregat (Barcelona).

As in former incidents, the attacks were carried out by placing explosive devices and throwing Molotov cocktails, as well as sending parcel bombs. The similarities, which have become evident in the technical reports on the composition of the explosive devices, substantiate the hypothesis that the individuals who built them had received very similar training, which may be the result of connections and interactions between them or the access to common sources (manuals, pamphlets, web pages, etc.). They even point to the possibility that the attacks on real estate agencies in Catalonia were perpetrated by the same individuals.

The majority of anarchist terrorist acts continue to obey motivations and objectives which are shared by all members of these groups, such as:

  • The continued detention of ORAI members in Spanish prisons;
  • The application of the Ficheros de Internos de Especial Seguimento- Control Directo (FIES-CD) penitentiary system;
  • Acts demonstrating "solidarity" with anarchists imprisoned in Spainand abroad;
  • Specific campaigns against the holding of international events (G-8 or IMF meetings, etc.).

The explosion that took place at the Italian Cultural Institute in Barcelona in June 2005, as well as the one that occurred at the door of an Italian authorised car dealer in El Prat de Llobregat (Barcelona) in July 2005, could fit perfectly well into the particular context of

* the detention of a suspect;
Europol #174172

  • the latest law enforcement operations targeting anarchist groups in Italy (more particularly those of May 2005);
  • the protests of people arrested at a demonstration in Barcelona on 25 June (the demonstration had been organised to protest against the law enforcement operations by the Italian police, referred to  above).

Controls on foreign nationals present at various acts of protest or demand, such as conferences, demonstrations or other actions taking place in Spain, as well as exchange of information with foreign agencies have shed light on the existence of close contacts between activists and members of anarchist groups mainly in Spain, Greece and Italy.

These connections lead them to carry out coinciding plans and operations, relying on permanent and smooth communication channels. In this context, it is important to emphasise the use of the Internet, since there are Internet addresses and web pages used systematically by the groups in question to call for meetings, publish demands, organise campaigns and spread the postulates of their ideology.

It has equally been noticed that communication between activists
usually takes place via e-mail accounts.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 10:07:53 AM EST
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No, it couldn't happen to anyone (for instance, to Felipe González-Armesto).

Regardless of what I wear, I always cross to the other side of the road when I see police. A folk memory of Franco's time, maybe.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 03:05:42 AM EST
I don't know, I generally get nervous at the sight of a cop, and to the best of my knowledge the Finnish police have a good reputation. At least not a terrible one. I think it's a general predisposition not to trust that people will not abuse authority bestowed upon them.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 09:57:22 AM EST
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After two days in the police dungeon I had the privilege of being yelled at by a judge, who described the protest as an "urban guerrilla" and alternately "paramilitary" action designed to hit La Rambla when the largest number of people would be present, in order to send the message that the squatters were a military force. At one point during my statement he interrupted me to yell that in the US I would be thrown in Guantanamo for such an action. He gave me a 30,000 euro bail (which a secretary later told me she had never seen for such charges in 25 years of working there) and sent me to Modelo prison.
Yes, the Spanish judicial system is full of fascists.
[My vacation], oddly enough, had landed me in the same prison that once housed many of the anarchist revolutionaries of the Spanish Civil War. Once I arrived, I got down to just about the only thing one can do in prison: waiting, and organizing my new life within its much diminished horizons. At first I was under the impression that trial would come within a few months, but soon I found out it may take two years.
And the glacial slowness of Spanish justice, also a well-known problem.

Sigh.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 07:17:10 AM EST
Hi de Anender.

Regardign the justice systm in Spain.. .I am sorry but this is Spain, it is not some kind of weird conspiracy against sqautters of left-wing people in general. Right-wing people have to live with it the same way.. so regardins our spanish beloved justice system.. yes it is ultra-slow, yes it is full of fascists... and fortunately the good thing is that you have excellent lawyers on the left-side... my only hope...

Regardign police  and left-wing movements .. that's another completely different game.

Standard anti-globalization protests were heavily targeted during the right-wing governemnt of PP.. and it somehow ended with the good relation with Zapatero...

But  squatters.. this is a compeltley different game!!! Squatters in Spain are not considered in the smae light as in Germany, SO police vs squatters belongs to a very particular Barcelona, Catalonia and Spain back and forth..

You can protest against Bush and you will be welcomed..against globalization and you feel at home..against poverty global warming... whatever...

But no.. squatters is different.. squatters is about housing, is about what is making the upper-middle class and some  middle-classes rich. Housing is what it is making rich people ultra-mega rich. Spanish constructors are buying utilities, banks.. you name it.

Add up that the police in Catalonia is controlled by the green party but the local police is controlled by the major.(the center-left party)... and there you have it.. the big question... Aren't they green/left after all? Shouldn they support squatters..???

Oh no my dear....:) YOu must add some ingridients..you must add inflirtators trying to move squatters towards violence, then you must add some important people recalling that Barceloan needs tourism (it is not really about housing.. they would say).. and then you have that catalan police is formed by member of the old national police reconverted...

ANd much more... taking housing... ok as long as you leave as soon the owner wants to become rich making new houses... and then squatters do not take it nicely.. adn then most of the neighboors support them.. but others do not..

As you can see .. a huge mess...but not an international endevour.. on the contrary.. the guy here stepped in to a very local war.

Imagine yourself in the middle of a war between two groups.. huge fight.. one of them happen to identify with an orange t-shirt..and then you happen to wear an orange t-shirt that day... and the other group thinks that you are trying to mock them by waring it in their territory..

Same thing... only that squatters and the center-left major are the two tribes (squatters and guardia urbana)... with a third tribe made of the green party in charge of changing the catalan police but with no control over the major police...

A pretty mess.... it is called dinnocent anthropologist syndrome.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 09:30:04 AM EST
Catalunya is, after all, as Spanish as Madrid. <ducks>

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 09:41:21 AM EST
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Housing, justice, cursing and football...

other than that Spain would not exist :)

Acctually the anthropologichal sentence is that beside cursing and football there is nothing that "we all spaniards" share.

I add housing situation and justice system... but an anthropologists could claim that they only exist becasue of the State.. he he.. I am not so sure about it... specially regarding housing .. y el tocho...

Una, grande y construida.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 09:56:16 AM EST
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Acctually the anthropologichal sentence is that beside cursing and football there is nothing that "we all spaniards" share.

A friend of mine once said that the difference between the Spanish and French Basque countries is that on the Spanish side, people party all night long.

Is that also a difference between Barcelona and Motpellier or Toulouse?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 10:08:03 AM EST
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I think it is pretty much correct in Spanish cities. i would say that all spanish cities share...

I guess once upon a time middle-cities in Spain did not have the night-life.. but now.. I would say that
cursing, partying late and football are things we all share.. yes.. they are part of the spanish fundamental mythology... and this is serious... one day we should explain it. Why cursing mythology is so different here, why football is the same .. and why late.night partying...

Oh.. by the way I have a friend from Galicia who affirms that dating rithuals also have a key mythological feature in all Spain.. but a generality is very different than a fundamental stuff... but he did made a point about it.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 10:25:05 AM EST
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One day you should explain it, because I have no idea what you're talking about.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 05:14:45 PM EST
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Repressive Tolerance, Herbert Marcuse 1965.

According to a dialectical proposition it is the whole which determines the truth--not in the sense that the whole is prior or superior to its parts, but in the sense that its structure and function determine every particular condition and relation. Thus, within a repressive society, even progressive movements threaten to turn into their opposite to the degree to which they accept the rules of the game. To take a most controversial case: the exercise of political rights (such as voting, letter-writing to the press, to Senators, etc., protest-demonstrations with a priori renunciation of counterviolence) in a society of total administration serves to strengthen this administration by testifying to the existence of democratic liberties which, in reality, have changed their content and lost their effectiveness. In such a case, freedom (of opinion, of assembly, of speech) becomes an instrument for absolving servitude.

Whatever the real relevance of this passage to your story, i'm struck by the argument. Could it be that we come to embody the liberties and the vision of the world that we see disappearing? By that process what we fight for looses substance, reality for everybody. Freedom is the fact that we fight for it? Equality is the mere existence of the idea?

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 10:24:14 AM EST
Can someone clear something up? I don't believe he was referring to his case coming up after two years. I believe he was referring to someone else's.

If he had some PR sense, he'd write an article for the NY Times about an unwitting American tourist tossed into jail in Spain. Arguing anarchy in Counterpunch is playing into their hands. Hit them where it hurts.

by Upstate NY on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 02:19:22 PM EST
Don't let your common sense cloud your reading comprehension. He may indeed have to wait for his trial for 2 years in preventative jail, unless he can cough up €30k.
Mine, oddly enough, had landed me in the same prison that once housed many of the anarchist revolutionaries of the Spanish Civil War. Once I arrived, I got down to just about the only thing one can do in prison: waiting, and organizing my new life within its much diminished horizons. At first I was under the impression that trial would come within a few months, but soon I found out it may take two years.
Yes, that's his trial. And then he talks about another trial
On 22 May, another trial starts in Barcelona after two years of waiting, and the verdict may put five innocent people in prison for three years and nine months.
Luckily for them, time spent in preventative prison is discounted from the sentence if they are convicted. Unlickily for them, if they are acquitted compensation from the Spanish state won't be forthcoming.

By the way, I can imagine a reason for the hefty bail, and that is that, being a foreigner, if let free there is substantial risk of flight.

In any case, an American citizen, if that's the case, should have received consular assistance after his arrest (never mind that the US routinely violates that requirement, I won't insist on reciprocity) so if he didn't receive consular assistance that might be grounds to challenge his imprisonment.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 04:41:08 PM EST
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It occurs to me in passing that the tradition of Consular Assistance dates from an earlier time -- like many of the more gentlemanly traditions of formal warfare -- during which only the gentry travelled for amusement... I rather doubt that e.g. an itinerant British pedlar working both sides of the Channel was ever visited by a member of the dip service when jailed in France, but some Old Etonian boy on the Grand Tour was almost certainly aided and comforted by HM's ambassador's staff if he went on a tear and was rounded up in a foreign city...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 06:45:48 PM EST
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Oh, the consulate can fail to provide assistance, but if the host country doesn't at least offer the arrested person a chance to contact their consulate, they are in violation of due process.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 06:49:10 PM EST
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What a wonderful post to read.  We are traveling to Spain and will be in Barcelona in fact on Saturday.  So the best advice is to look like a tourist?

Not a member of the '60 million stupid people' club.
by EeDan on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 08:49:14 PM EST
The best advice is to avoid the police.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 03:38:25 AM EST
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Do as you like and enjoy BCN as your own country. It's a beautiful city to discover. On sunday, it will be the local elections in Spain. If you go to Barcelona, you need to know, the last march of squatters ends with many streets burning, ten policemen blessed and one with broken nose, as we can see in a prime time on TV and three squatters need hospital services. Also, there is a police man between dead and life from february for another squatter incident in Casc Antic and in Gràcia district many week ends of april are some incidents in the streets with some squatters knows here as "okupes". So, it's a long history.
by rafael on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 12:09:15 PM EST
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Benvingut!

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 12:12:07 PM EST
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Gràcies !

RY
by rafael on Thu May 24th, 2007 at 04:09:01 AM EST
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Interesting blog you've got there.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 24th, 2007 at 05:34:39 AM EST
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It's a linklog said J Clive Matthews (nosemonkey)
"which has some handy EU-related stuff knocking about" but shhttt, I'm working in progress. ;)

RY
by rafael on Thu May 24th, 2007 at 02:36:42 PM EST
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Bienvenido! and join us all you can.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 04:25:42 PM EST
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Gracias, muy amable.

RY
by rafael on Thu May 24th, 2007 at 04:09:24 AM EST
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Have a great time!  Barcelona is great all around and we have at least two members there who will be happy to offer ideas if you ask them in the open thread.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 04:29:25 PM EST
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Thanks - I'll drop a comment there.

Not a member of the '60 million stupid people' club.
by EeDan on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 09:44:38 PM EST
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Via Salon.com, yesterday I learned about the February 28, 1947 massacre in Taiwan.
The 228 Incident or 228 Massacre was an uprising in Taiwan that began on February 28, 1947 and was suppressed by the Kuomintang (KMT) government, resulting in between ten thousand to twenty [or 30] thousand civilians killed. [This] event is now commemorated in Taiwan as Peace Memorial Day. Official government policy had repressed the education of the events until recently, for various reasons. Many of the details of the incident are still highly controversial and hotly debated in Taiwan today.

After 50 years of colonial rule by Japan [and] two years of administration by the Republic of China, nepotism, accusations of corruption and a failed economy increased tensions between the local Taiwanese and ROC administration. The flashpoint came on February 27, 1947 in Taipei when a dispute between a female cigarette vendor and an anti-smuggling officer triggered civil disorder and open rebellion that would last for days. The uprising was quickly put down by the military of the Republic of China.

Violence finally flared the following morning on February 28. Security forces at the Governor-General's Office, using machine guns, fired on the unarmed demonstrators calling for the arrest and trial of the agents involved in the previous day's shooting, resulting in several deaths. Formosans took over the administration of the town and military bases on March 4 and used the local radio station to caution against violence. By evening, martial law had been declared and curfews were enforced by soldiers in trucks firing at anyone who violated curfew.

An American who had just arrived in China from Taihoku said that troops from the mainland arrived there on March 7 and indulged in three days of indiscriminate killing and looting. For a time everyone seen on the streets was shot at, homes were broken into and occupants killed. In the poorer sections the streets were said to have been littered with dead.

"There were instances of beheadings and mutilation of bodies, and women were raped," the American reported.

For several weeks after the February 28 Incident, the rebels held control of much of the island. Though the initial uprising was spontaneous and peaceful, within a few days the rebels were generally coordinated and organized, and public order in rebel-held areas was upheld by temporary police forces organized by local high school students. Local leaders soon formed a Settlement Committee which presented the government with a list of 32 Demands for reform of the provincial administration. They demanded, among other things, greater autonomy, free elections, surrender of ROC Army to Settlement Committee and an end to governmental corruption. [Feigning] negotiation, the ROC authorities under Chen Yi stalled for time while assembling a large military force on the mainland in Fujian province. Upon arrival on March 8, the ROC troops launched a crackdown. By the end of March, Chen had jailed or killed all the leading rebels he could identify and catch. His troops reportedly executed [between] 3,000 and 4,000 people throughout the island. [Some] of the killings were random, while others were systematic. Local elites were among those targeted, and many of the Taiwanese who had formed home rule groups during the reign of the Japanese were also victims of the 228 Incident. A disproportionate number of the victims were also Taiwanese middle and high school age youths, as many of them had volunteered to serve in the temporary police forces that were organized by the Committee and the local town councils to maintain public order following the initial rebellion. Several sources have claimed that ROC troops were arresting and executing anyone wearing a student uniform. Conversely, mainlanders were targeted by the rebels and many were killed. [The] initial purge was followed by repression under one-party rule, in what was termed "white terror," which lasted until the end of martial law in 1987.


I see a disproportionate and ruthless action of the ROC government. Could all nepotic corporate governments be like this given circumstances?

Salon.com refers to George Kerr, a former American vice-consul in Taiwan who personally witnessed the events, and wrote the book "Formosa Betrayed". The current news is that Kerr's original report about the events has been scanned and available on the internet. Here is a citation of the events since mainland troops arrived, if you dare to read:

   Beginning March 9, there was widespread and indiscriminate killing. Soldiers were seen bayonetting coolies without apparent provocation in front of a Consulate staff residence. Soldiers were seen to rob passersby. An old man protesting the removal of a woman from his house was cut down by two soldiers. The Canadian nurse in charge of an adjacent Mission Hospital was observed bravely to make seven trips under fire into the crowded area across the avenue to treat persons shot down or bayonetted, and once as she supervised the movement of a wounded man into the hospital the bearers with her were fired upon. Some of the patients brought in had been shot and hacked to pieces. Young Formosan men were observed tied together, being prodded at bayonet point toward the city limits. A Formosan woman primary school teacher attempting to reach her home was shot in the back and robbed near the Mission compound. A British business man attempting to rescue an American woman whose house was being riddled with machine gun fire from a nearby emplacement was fired upon and narrowly escaped, one bullet cutting through his clothing and another being deflected from the steering gear of his jeep. Another foreigner saw a youth forced to dismount from his cycle before a military policeman, who thereupon lacerated the man's hands so badly with his bayonet that the man could not pick up his machine ...

    By March 17 the order of seizure or execution seemed to have become, successively, all established critics of the government, Settlement Committee members and their aides, men who had taken part in the interim policing of Taipei, middle school students and teachers, lawyers, economic leaders and members of influential families, and finally, persons who in the past had caused members of the Government or their appointees serious loss of face. On March 16 it was rumored that anyone who spoke English well or who had close foreign connections was being seized "for examination," and that many Japanese technicians in the employ of the Government were being taken.

Is this a government, or a high society mob?

by das monde on Tue May 22nd, 2007 at 11:24:38 PM EST
shigmagism [at] yahoo [dot] com
Dear Pete,

In Spain, the old ´power mentality´ of the security forces is dying too slowly and unfortunately the common ´uniform complex´ also applies here.  We obviously have cases of police abuse and I am glad that they are usually reported and prosecuted.  An even better sign is that abuses perpetrated on immigrants begin to show up on the news, but I am happy you cannot claim either:

I did what I would have done in the US: follow the cops to see if anyone was arrested, if they needed help, if they were being beaten.

Didn't your mamma ever tell you 'when you see trouble, go the other way'?  But I get the feeling you found the adventure you came looking for and you are almost disappointed it wasn´t worse.

In fact, in my brief experience prison in Spain is better than in the US-more privacy, less aggression, better food.  ...

Amazingly, after just a few days, the struggling, broke collectives of Barcelona were able to raise the 30,000 euros and get me out of Modelo, back on the streets.

I am sure you will continue to have a good time because Barcelona is a great city, but try to join non-violent groups because they actually have a bigger impact in making changes for the better.  

If you have good ideas on how we can speed up the justice system and get rid of idiot judges, please let me know, or post on eurotrib.com

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 05:47:59 PM EST
I did what I would have done in the US: follow the cops to see if anyone was arrested, if they needed help, if they were being beaten.

Somehow this guy doesn't understand the difference between being in your own country and being abroad. While in the US I did attend demonstrations against the Iraq war, but as soon as things started heating up of the police massed nearby, I left. A US citizen had full recourse to the constitution, but I could be summarily deported.

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 23rd, 2007 at 06:07:37 PM EST
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