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What are they/we fighting for?

To funnel money to crony capitalist owners of armaments, mercenary, and services corporations   17 votes - 54 %
Freedom/Democracy   0 votes - 0 %
A religious crusade   2 votes - 6 %
The American Way of Life (Mom, apple pie, and SUVs)   2 votes - 6 %
Nothing -- they/we just can't figure out how to stop   8 votes - 25 %
Their/our own extinction (legendary lemming behaviour)   2 votes - 6 %
 
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What are the hidden costs of America's imported oil? The answer is complex. It may ultimately be unknowable. But this hasn't daunted the likes of Milton Copulos.

A tenacious economist with the National Defense Council Foundation--a right-of-center Washington think tank--Copulos spent 18 solid months poring over hundreds of thousands of pages of government documents, toiling to fix a price tag on America's addiction to global crude. He parsed oil-related defense spending in the Middle East. He calculated U.S. jobs and investments lost to steep crude prices. He even factored in the lifelong medical bills of some 18,000 U.S. troops wounded in Iraq as of March. (About $1.5 million each.)

Copulos is a highly respected analyst in Washington. And his exhaustive findings flabbergasted the Senate Foreign Relations Committee this spring.

The actual cost of gasoline refined from imported oil, according to Copulos?

Eight dollars a gallon.

When he isolated the hidden costs of Middle Eastern crude in particular, the price jumped to $11. This included a war premium that swelled the Pentagon's spending to protect all Persian Gulf oil to $137 billion a year. In a truly transparent economy, by Copulos' math, filling up Rodriguez's Jeep would run about $230.

Consumers don't dodge the bill for all these masked expenditures. Instead, they pay for them indirectly, through higher taxes, or by saddling their children and grandchildren with a ballooning national debt--one that's increasingly financed by foreigners. The result: Unaware of the true costs of their oil habit, U.S. motorists see no obvious reason to curb their energy gluttony.

"Gas isn't too expensive," said Copulos. "It's way, way too cheap."

A Tank of Gas, A World of Trouble



We all bleed the same color.
by budr on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 06:28:16 PM EST
I would have voted, but I wanted to vote for more than one answer. :)

From a security point of view US wars have become self sustaining.

A quick google and I come up with 19.6 million barrels of oil per day usage in the US. That works out to 18% of the US oil requirements are military.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 06:33:34 PM EST
I've seen government figures that claim its nearer 24% of US fuel usage is military.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 08:29:25 PM EST
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The wars create more enemies that then require more war?  

Not self-sustaining--more like a positive feedback that will accelerate until the system collapses.  

The ancient Assyrians did something like this.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 02:08:04 AM EST
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More like 0.4%. You confused gallons and barrels.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 02:34:49 AM EST
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Ops! A little too quick.

thanks.

aspiring to genteel poverty

by edwin (eeeeeeee222222rrrrreeeeeaaaaadddddd@@@@yyyyaaaaaaa) on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 12:51:42 PM EST
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itis kinda ironic that with all the money spent on the military hardware built to fight in the desert, they haven't figured out how to run the tanks on the sunshine falling around them, instead of digging for it.

humans aren't smarter than yeast, let's face it....

not that yeast is stupid, but...

de, if you have time to read dnadir's diary, i hope you will.

it sorely needs some of your well-articulated wisdom...

fair and balanced, ya know

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 18th, 2007 at 08:17:39 PM EST
part of oil consumption.  

Thanks for posting this article on how big a part.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 02:05:39 AM EST
The Iraq War is at 100,000 b/d, and the Pentagon overall consumes something like 300,000 b/d.

So the War is 0.5% of US consumption (or 0.1% of world consumption), and the Pentagon is 1.5% of US consmptions (and 0.4% of world consumption).

Not small, but not that significant, relatively speaking.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 11:50:26 AM EST
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it's really just a continuum...millions of highway hogs need wars for sources of cheap oil to continue their ways...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 20th, 2007 at 07:33:38 AM EST
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you arrive at approximately 3.5 million gallons of oil: the daily petroleum tab for U.S. combat operations in the Middle East war zone.

Let's see, 85 million bbls.day worldwide, and 3.5 million gallons day / 55 gallons/bbl. = 63,600 barrels/day for the wars.

63,600 divided into 85,000,000.  It's actually a rather small percentage of global oil consumption totals.  But it is close to 0.1%, which is pretty big as a percentage if we count it all as the consumption total of a single corporate consumer.

"Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

by Cassiodorus on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 02:22:25 AM EST
55 gallons is a "drum". A barrel is 42 gallons. (See here.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 02:36:56 AM EST
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55 gallons is a "drum". A barrel is 42

even closer to 0.1%!

"Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon

by Cassiodorus on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 02:38:43 AM EST
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Don't know why anyone cares about precise quantification.

Drums, barrels, sunflowers, barrels of a drum, whatever.

Off to read Nnadir now.

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins

by EricC on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 01:44:06 AM EST
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We Had to Burn all the Oil in Order to Secure

Indeed, that was our conclusion one year ago in this diary.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 06:46:13 AM EST
June 17, 2007
Military looks at synthetic fuel for bombers and fighters - International Herald Tribune

WASHINGTON: The U.S. Air Force has decided to push development of a new type of fuel to power its bombers and fighters, mixing conventional jet fuel with nonpetroleum-based fuels that could eventually end military dependence on foreign sources of oil.

The plan, to be announced at the Paris Air Show, will open a contest between fuel refiners and alternative energy companies to produce a jet fuel composed of no more than 50 percent petroleum. Reflecting the importance that the U.S. government attaches to the initiative, the public announcement will be made by U.S. Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne and U.S. Federal Aviation Administrator Marion Blakey.

"The goal is to certify the entire fleet by 2010 with a 50-50 mix," said Air Force Special Assistant Paul Bollinger who is coordinating the military shift to synthetic fuels.

As far as I know, the only 50/50 blend tested so far (with a B52 bomber all 8 engines) is based on gas and coal liquefaction (Fischer-Tropsch tech).

Any decision by the US air force will have a big impact on civil aviation. They are subsidising the the R&D by  ordering the first large deliveries for their tests.

I'll try to catch that announcement in Paris and see what their intentions are.
Just a bit scared that this news will be burried among the show and will be hard to find.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 10:37:39 AM EST
Shouldn't the private sector work it's magic and come up with wonderful, innovative and efficient solutions?
by Torres on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 12:29:22 PM EST
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"Don't Ask me/us, I/we don't give a damn
Next stop is probably Iran"

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 12:44:18 PM EST
I was trying to figure out how to get the meter right.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 01:18:11 PM EST
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All of Klare's writing is worth reading. As a matter-of-act academic type he doesn't suffer from the poor rhetorical style of most people that write on this topic (like Kunstler) who hate modern society and everyone in it with extreme passion.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 at 01:20:58 PM EST
... the reference to lemmings being suicidal.

It is now known that, during the filming of the 1958 Disney nature documentary WHITE WILDERNESS, the film crew induced the hapless lemmings into jumping off a cliff and into the sea in order to document their supposedly suicidal behavior.

Snopes.

Disney -- the enemy of all that lives.

by Lupin on Wed Jun 20th, 2007 at 09:38:34 AM EST
but [I splutter] I did say it was legendary.

if I believed the story was real I would have said notorious or something similar...  perhaps I should have said apocryphal just to make it really really clear?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Jun 20th, 2007 at 08:50:30 PM EST
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My apologies. I understood your "legendary" in the context of, say, "the legendary baseball player Babe Ruth." I stand corrected.
by Lupin on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 02:15:11 AM EST
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oh right.  I tend to forget the colloquial usage (which I confess always irritates me a bit, like 'reticent' used where 'reluctant' would have been correct).  'apocryphal' would have been clearer, though in this literate crowd it might have sparked a storm of contentious biblical scholarship :-)

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 07:09:36 PM EST
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and btw, no apology necessary and hello Lupin, nice to see ya, how's the expat life?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 07:10:46 PM EST
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That may be true of "white" lemmings.

But is it true of lemmings thru the color spectrum, adjusting for gradations, prenatal care,nutrition, nurturing,latch-key-neglect-sexual abuse status, elementary and high school trauma, sexual preferences?

Seems we need a longitudinal, multivariable study of lemmings, before we can come to a judgement.

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins

by EricC on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 02:02:21 AM EST
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this is imho too boring a diary to frontpage.  y'all must be desperate for content...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Jun 20th, 2007 at 08:51:08 PM EST
Didn't I think that "resource wars" are just a waste of resources?

The crony managers are really delusional, thinking that heaps of funny paper can solve them any problems at any time. They seem to be absolutely sure they know the right things and the "nature" of the world. Oh, human folly!

by das monde on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 09:48:59 AM EST
So, this means you don't believe they are fighting in an attempt to control the flux of oil? At worst nobody can access iraqi reserves, while at these prices there is plenty available in Canada.

It also seems there are many ways to finance crony capitalism without the negatives of war.

by Fete des fous on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 at 08:15:20 PM EST
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