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French move to outlaw open-source software?

by d52boy Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 08:00:58 AM EST

Hard to believe, but apparently true.

This is from infos-du-net.com:

« Vous allez arrêter de publier vos logiciels. [...] [Nous sommes prêts à] poursuivre les auteurs de logiciels libres continuant de divulguer leur code source [...] ». Vendredi 18 novembre 2005, au ministère de la Culture, la Société des Auteurs Compositeurs et Editeurs de Musique a pris tout le monde de court.

La SACEM s'attaquant aux LL (logiciels libres) ? Ce n'est pas une plaisanterie, c'est une réalité soutenue de surcroît pas la SNEP (Syndicat National de l'Edition Phonographique) et SCPP (Société Civile des Producteurs Phonographiques), autres défenseurs puissants de la musique et des droits d'auteur en France. Mais ou est le rapport entre les douces notes que protègent farouchement ces gardiens de la culture et l'informatique ? La réponse est simplement le vote sur l'amendement "VU/SACEM/BSA/FT Division Contenus" de la loi DADVSI qui fait tant parler d'elle ces dernières semaines.

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I hadn't heard of this but it actually seems quite serious. There's a bill on literary and artistic property up before the French parliament, and Vivendi Universal have piloted a (pretty much under the radar) amendment outlawing open-source software that permits access to cultural content (ie that facilitates up and downloading either through "chat", FTP, P2P, etc).

Universal have the support of the record industry's "union" orgs, of BSA, and of SACEM, the official French musical royalties collection agency (influential, lotsa money).

The amendment seems to have got through the special commission (Sirinelli Commission) and will be considered 7th December in a plenary session of the High Council for Artistic and Literary Property. Maybe it can be stopped there.

See this page in English for information and links.

Go to this page (in French) to sign a petition against the amendment.

Universal, Microsoft, Sony, would love to get in the thin end of the wedge, even in one country. The danger to open-source software (all of it, everywhere) is obvious.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 09:53:42 AM EST
Thanks, afew.

Just what I was hoping for.

I hope that friends of open source in France will jump all over this.

Pogo: We have met the enemy, and he is us.

by d52boy on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 10:31:39 AM EST
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It makes me wonder... As the government plans to get all gov.fr related softwares in Linux around 2007 (they won't be able to reach the line anyhow)!!! The main idea is that french developers would conceive "french" OSes for government related services (police, army, education, etc...). Most, today still rely on some window variant!

Many small associations, couldn't work if they didn't have the free open source things... This the exact opposite of the Indian move...! I just hope it's a last stand from SACEM and other big music producers in the free radio-TV-Music war !

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman

by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 11:41:29 AM EST
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I suppose the promoters of this legislation would say they're not getting in the way of open-source OSes, for example. They say file-transfer software should be capable of containing a hidden kernel of tracking software so what users up and download may be monitored (in the interests of respect of copyright). Since that is contrary to the very principle of open-source software, open-source file-transfer software should be forbidden...

Micro$oft would be so pleased...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 12:24:15 PM EST
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The idea that file transfers should be monitored by closed-source software in the interest of copyright is like arguing that the post office should open everyone's mail just to check that you're not mailing a photocopy of copyrighted material...

I have already predicted that geeks will take the internet underground in the near future. These kinds of law just make that possibility all the more likely.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:42:45 PM EST
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Here's what the FFII has to say about this:
Loi DADVSI : le droit d'auteur menacé de perdre l'équilibre
L'Assemblée nationale doit se prononcer en procédure d'urgence ce mois de décembre 2005 sur le projet de loi « Droit d'auteur et les droits voisins dans la société de l'information » (DADVSI). Devant la menace que cette loi ferait peser quant à l'équilibre du droit d'auteur, la FFII appelle ses sympathisants à soutenir l'initiative EUCD.info, à contacter leurs députés et à signer la pétition lancée par EUCD.info.


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:44:25 PM EST
The EUCD. info petition mentioned here is the one I linked to above. There were close on 6,000 signatories when I signed.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:35:48 PM EST
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The Right to Read by Richard Stallman
For Dan Halbert, the road to Tycho began in college--when Lissa Lenz asked to borrow his computer. Hers had broken down, and unless she could borrow another, she would fail her midterm project. There was no one she dared ask, except Dan.

This put Dan in a dilemma. He had to help her--but if he lent her his computer, she might read his books. Aside from the fact that you could go to prison for many years for letting someone else read your books, the very idea shocked him at first. Like everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was nasty and wrong--something that only pirates would do.

And there wasn't much chance that the SPA--the Software Protection Authority--would fail to catch him. In his software class, Dan had learned that each book had a copyright monitor that reported when and where it was read, and by whom, to Central Licensing. (They used this information to catch reading pirates, but also to sell personal interest profiles to retailers.) The next time his computer was networked, Central Licensing would find out. He, as computer owner, would receive the harshest punishment--for not taking pains to prevent the crime.

There were ways, of course, to get around the SPA and Central Licensing. They were themselves illegal. Dan had had a classmate in software, Frank Martucci, who had obtained an illicit debugging tool, and used it to skip over the copyright monitor code when reading books. But he had told too many friends about it, and one of them turned him in to the SPA for a reward (students deep in debt were easily tempted into betrayal). In 2047, Frank was in prison, not for pirate reading, but for possessing a debugger.
It was also possible to bypass the copyright monitors by installing a modified system kernel. Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers--you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.
Dan resolved the dilemma by doing something even more unthinkable--he lent her the computer, and told her his password. This way, if Lissa read his books, Central Licensing would think he was reading them. It was still a crime, but the SPA would not automatically find out about it. They would only find out if Lissa reported him.
Of course, if the school ever found out that he had given Lissa his own password, it would be curtains for both of them as students, regardless of what she had used it for. School policy was that any interference with their means of monitoring students' computer use was grounds for disciplinary action. It didn't matter whether you did anything harmful--the offense was making it hard for the administrators to check on you. They assumed this meant you were doing something else forbidden, and they did not need to know what it was.


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 01:52:00 PM EST
Very interesting story. Anyone who knows that prohibition was not successful in preventing people from boozing, should understand that repression will only push people towards finding other means of doing what they've always been doing.

Has anyone heard about illegal primes?

Computer code being hexadecimal (well, binary if you prefer), all you need to do is present your entire code as a number (a very large one), or rather as a series of smaller numbers (for practical reasons, as it's unthinkable to put several thousand lines of code into a number that would be easy to handle in any other format than hexadecimal, except by using some base 1024 or something), and since numbers can't be made illegal, as they are universal and abstract, you'd be alright.

by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:28:01 PM EST
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since numbers can't be made illegal

We are working on that, Alex my little friend... From Toulouse, is it? Nice place, Toulouse, enjoy it while you can...

(Migeru's fault for quoting scary fiction ;))

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 02:48:29 PM EST
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But I'm on your side, I am a collabo! I just informed you about something that you had missed so that now you could take repressive measures against numbers :)))

Down with numbers! Let's put one two three four five six seven and all of them in jail!

by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:01:57 PM EST
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This is better, Alex, this is better! You like chocolate? So have a little square of chocolate... Yes, little, I said little!

Good, the chocolate?

Fine. Now let's talk about the alphabet...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:06:39 PM EST
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I don't like the alphabet, I think the alphabet should be illegal. Can I have more chocolate?

But I think that we should also worry about words being used to infringe copyrights. Words should be made illegal too. [..chocolate..?]

by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:10:01 PM EST
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The alphabet is illegal, no more written words...

But do you know people who actually speak words to each other?

You could be useful, my little Alex... We have all the chocolate you can dream of. Just a short, sweet act of betrayal is necessary, nothing more...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:15:40 PM EST
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by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:23:49 PM EST
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you all deserve some kind of award for ingenius wit.

Way too fast for me!

Pogo: We have met the enemy, and he is us.

by d52boy on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 11:45:15 PM EST
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Sorry, I mean:

by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:16:11 PM EST
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Drawing pictures can land you in jail. Don't you know that?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:19:41 PM EST
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by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:36:14 PM EST
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-.  ..  -.-.  .    -  .-.  -.--
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:45:33 PM EST
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Well if we're going to use dots and lines, why not use zeroes and ones?

01101000 01101111 01110111 00100000 01100001 01100010 01101111 01110101 01110100 00100000
01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011

The loop is complete! Ok this is too much :)))

I guess we all agree that blocking one form of expression is blocking them all, no?

ps: http://www.theskull.com/javascript/ascii-binary-list.html

by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 04:31:50 PM EST
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Mmmhmm... chocolate ... I wish I had some chocolate here, instead I'm eating nuts. It is said that they're very healthy .. but .. I want chocolate! :-)
by srutis on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:21:56 PM EST
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You could go for chocolate with nuts in it, killing two birds in argh I just typed words aaaargh I'm .. they're ... the men with black suits, sunglasses and dogs are here, it's Microsoft I have to rucrriiiik
by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:26:25 PM EST
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Go, Alex, go ...

(And I thought the MiB were there for the aliens .. now we know: they're only the executive branch of Microsoft)

by srutis on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 03:44:25 PM EST
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petition anti-DADVSI
by Alex in Toulouse on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 05:54:28 PM EST
+4,000 signatures since last night...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 07:59:40 AM EST
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Now +7000!
Thanks for bringing this petition to our/my attention, afew. And thanks for informing us/me about this law, d52boy (I had followed up on the EUCD before that, but this proposed implementation of it had so far gone by totally unnoticed in my circle of friends!). I, in turn, immediately went around the usual circles to bring people to look at this. If everyone does the same, there is a chance that 150,000 signatures could be obtained by the end of December, which is, in my opinion, the very minimum number for the objection to be taken seriously. Collective signatures (companies, organisations) are the most vital, and these have doubled since yesterday.
by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 06:16:31 PM EST
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The problem with digital rights management is not that it will restrict those who want to listen to songs or watch movies, but that it will be expanded into general information.

Image what happens to democracy when documents can be made invisible at will by the government by flipping a digital switch in your viewing software so that the items are no longer accessible. Several per month services already block the material you have already downloaded if you let your subscription lapse.

Rights management is a threat to democratic societies and must be battled on that front. Those who don't want to pay for entertainment can take their issues elsewhere.


Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 06:43:54 PM EST
Does anyone have a guess as to whether this legislation will become law?

Pogo: We have met the enemy, and he is us.
by d52boy on Sun Dec 4th, 2005 at 11:41:16 PM EST
I think it's a slam dunk. Look at this:
The last legislative elections, held in June 2002 resulted in the following distribution of seats:
357     Union for a Popular Movement (right/center-right)
140     Socialist Party (left/center-left)
29     Union for French Democracy (center-right)
21     Communist Party of France (left)
7     Left Radical Party (left/center-left)
23     other (Green, etc.)


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 06:53:44 AM EST
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I think the bill will become law. But there are apparently 124 amendments tabled, and I'm trying to find out what the chances are that the Vivendi Universal/SACEM amendment will be adopted.

If I don't report back, it will be because I have no idea.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 07:05:31 AM EST
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See this post at Boing Boing for some English-language discussion.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 08:09:30 AM EST
This is the way I see things now (but I could be wrong):

Not good 1): The DADVSI bill is designed to place France in conformity with EUCD (EU directive similar to the American DMCA), but goes beyond what is necessary. The EU Commission warned France (in July) it was late getting in conformity, so the DADVSI bill was fast-tracked. It will get its final reading during the night of 22 to 23 December 2005, when there will be few representatives present. It's entirely possible there will be little scrutiny and debate.

Not good 2): The Ministry of Culture is right behind this bill, which will get govt backing, and the govt has a healthy majority (as shown above by Migeru). So the bill can't fail to get through.

Not good 3): The Sirinelli Commmission is a technical commission dominated by copyright orgs and "culture" majors (Micro$oft has a representative, so does BSA, that makes two for Micro$oft on my count). The Vivendi Universal/SACEM/BSA/FT amendment that proposes to outlaw open-source software because it does not and cannot contain secret tracking ware, has the backing of this commission, and, after one more meeting in a week's time, will probably have the backing of the Ministry of Culture. So the amendment is in with what looks from an outsider's point of view to be a good chance of being adopted.

Not so bad 1): The CNIL (French National Commission on Information Technology and Freedom) ruled on 24th October 2005 against the use of compulsory hidden tracking software.

Not so bad 2): If the amendment gets through, it will certainly be challenged before the Constitutional Council, and the above-mentioned CNIL ruling will presumably be of some use then.

It seems so crazy it's hard to believe, but the fact is they've managed up to now to slip this under the radar. The EUCD.info petition is smoking, gone from 6,000 to 12,000 in less than 24 hours, and they say they've had DOS attacks. So it may be that the cavalry will get there just in time.

Here's a piece describing DMCA and EUCD, showing how Europe has gone further than the US on intellectual property rights.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:47:51 PM EST
Outstanding, afew. Merci!

Pogo: We have met the enemy, and he is us.
by d52boy on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:27:43 PM EST
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My worry is that the CNIL stipulates that authorisation be sought to archive nominative data, and that this data then has to be declared to the CNIL. If the entity asking for authorisation is the State, and the State declares the data it collects, then there is a workaround to the CNIL's objection. An example of this is the biometric identity card, which will not only be compulsory but will also have to be paid for!
by Alex in Toulouse on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 06:22:41 PM EST
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Keeping up with this important news. Sun Microsystems has signed the petition, which gives it some weight, and Libération has written an article on this law (in French). +26,000 signatures since it was first brought to our attention, 4 days ago.

Here are a couple of notions, noted here and there, that point towards the anti-constitutional nature of this law and/or its amendments, a law which if passed, would be passed "anticonstitutionnellement" (haha I just had to write that word, it's not every day that you get to write the longest word in French):

French Human Rights Declaration, 1789, Article 12:
"No one will be subjected to arbitrary intrusions in his private life, his family, his house or his correspondence. Every person is entitled to protection by the law against such intrusions." (nota bene: the word "correspondance" in French, in 1789, refers to snail mail, but i think emails could easily be accepted as "correspondance", because the action they denote is the same)

Prelude to 1946 French Constitution, confirmed by 1958 French Constitution (5th Republic), Article 13: "The State guarantees equal access for children and adults to instruction, professional training, and CULTURE"

French Human Rights Declaration, 1789, Article 27:
Every person has the right to engage freely in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy art, and to participate in scientific progress and the benefits that it incurs." (nota bene: "enjoy" isn't quite right as a translation, but I can't think of another term)

by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Dec 8th, 2005 at 03:15:27 AM EST
Also, I read one of the texts this morning ... I'll share it here with you, just to show you how low we'd sink if this law were ever passed.

Vulgarized text:

"If you're visually impaired, then someone can read a digital book aloud for you, provided that this someone does not reveal the story in the book to anyone else afterwards."

Original legal text:

"a moral person can, to the benefit of people with visual deficiencies, access books in an exploitable electronic format, when this format exists. Such an aforementioned moral person guarantees the confidentiality and the non-divulgation of these files, the use of which is strictly limited to that which is outlined in this present text"

"[..] personnes morales peuvent, au bénéfice des personnes atteintes d'une déficience
visuelle, accéder aux livres dans un format électronique exploitable, lorsque celui-ci existe. Les
personnes morales précitées garantissent la confidentialité et l'absence de divulgation de ces
fichiers, dont l'usage est strictement limité à l'objet prévu par le présent alinéa."

by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Dec 8th, 2005 at 03:21:48 AM EST
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Books are read by more than one person. Oh dear, we must change that. It seems parents read stories to their children. We'd better look into that. Well, we'll allow reading of books to people suffering from visual impairment. Under condition.

These propositions would seem ridiculous, even to the dimwits on the Sirinelli Commission. But the key word is "electronic". There's a lag, it seems to me, in the assimilation into the mental structure of French elites, of what is digital, electronic, networked. It scares them.

And the proponents of a closed, strictly commercial Internet (Micro$oft, Universal, etc) have seized the opportunity to advance their game by working on these fears.

Yesterday the CSPLA adopted the Sirinelli report and forwarded it to the minister, recommending the VU/SACEM/BSA/FT amendment be tabled. The Minister may yet decide not to follow the recommendations. We'll see...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 8th, 2005 at 05:34:47 AM EST
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That is the thing, they're trying to apply to the virtual world laws that we wouldn't dare apply to the physical world.
by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Dec 8th, 2005 at 05:50:19 AM EST
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I never understood why people speak of a "legal void" regarding information technology.

The only wrinkle is that electronic transmission involves a large number of unknown intermediaries handling the "packets" that your document is broken into.

That has an easy solution: use public keys so that only the intended recipient can access the data.

But we can't have that! Encryption is a powerful tool in the hands of terrorists, so we must not allow anyone to use it for legitimate purposes!

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 8th, 2005 at 06:02:30 AM EST
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