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Should England have a devolved Parliament?

by Rick in TX Mon Jun 13th, 2005 at 08:50:39 AM EST

I've been wondering about this for a long time from over here on my side of the pond.  Scotland and N. Ireland have their own devolved Parliaments to deal with their regional issues, and Wales has a National Assembly.  England, too, has many issues which relate to it as a country.  Now, the state government idea works fairly well here in the States (sometimes), and there is some truth to the idea that the government closest to the people works the best.  Also, the other three have used this as an opportunity to have at least a partial experiment with proportional representation, an idea sorely needed in England.  I was wondering if anyone here feels that England needs its own regional Parliament.


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Should England have a regional Parliament?
. No, nor should Scotland, NI, and Wales. It detracts from the soverignty of Westminster and weakens the United Kingdom. 10%
. No, England dominates Westminster, what does it need its own Parliament for? 30%
. Yes, people should have a closer government more receptive to their needs. 20%
. Yes, it is only fair, the rest of the UK has them. 10%
. Other 20%
. No opinion 0%
. Huh? 10%

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Difficult question.  I voted for the "doesn't need one, dominates Westminister" option.

The Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly (why not make it a full-fledged Parliament?) were/are great ideas, the Scottish one in particular has gone some way towards undoing some of the more stupid policies enacted by the Blair government, such as abolishing tuition fees for university students (which exists in England and Wales).

How effective could a proper English Parliament be, however?  Which areas could it legislate?  Education?  Health?  Defence?  If there ever is one, it should be elected by proportional representation and have fixed terms, e.g. four years, so you don't get unpopular administrations (Major in 1997) hanging on until the last minute to call an election (and then losing it badly).

I'm unconvinced as to the need of an English Parliament.  However, I think that regional assemblies (as opposed to fully-blown Parliaments) would be a good idea and could be used to get rid of some of the many quangos out there and bring democracy closer to the people.

(My first ever comment on E.T. - woo!)

by VincentVega on Mon Jun 13th, 2005 at 11:14:29 AM EST
"However, I think that regional assemblies (as opposed to fully-blown Parliaments) would be a good idea and could be used to get rid of some of the many quangos out there and bring democracy closer to the people."

Yes, I think so too. London and the south east is not representative for many people in England - we may be part of a small island but are incredibly diverse. I am in gloucestershire, and find the south-east-centric views of England increasingly irritating.

by Boudicca (badgerval at hotmail dot com) on Mon Jun 13th, 2005 at 02:09:26 PM EST
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The difficulty of having an English Parliament is that England contains the great majority of the UK population. Federal type arrangements do not work well when one of the 'states' contains most of the population and wealth of the country. I imagine the UK politicians would fear that the English First Minister would do to the UK Prime Minister what Russian President Boris Yeltsin did to Soviet President Gorbachev.

The Liberal Democrats have long favoured a federal arrangement, with English regions joining the non-English countries of the UK as the 'states' of the federation. There is however no public demand for it.

There are regional governments in England, although most of the English would be surprised to know that. The Regional Chambers are composed of indirectly elected local councillors. They have few powers.

The Labour Party tried to create directly elected Regional Assemblies, which were going to be weaker than that in London and the National Assembly in Wales. However a referendum in North East England (a very pro-Labour region remote from London) decisively rejected the idea. Labour has not explained what they are going to do next on the issue. They seem content to leave things as they are.

The Conservative Party thinks that only the English members of the Westminster Parliament should vote on issues like Education and Health in England. The problem with that is what happens when the UK and English majorities are of different parties. Would the UK government be expected to fund things they did not agree with?

The status quo is illogical but may endure for many years as there is no consensus to change it.

by on Mon Jun 13th, 2005 at 01:47:04 PM EST
rather than for the whole of England.  Already you have the restored Lord Mayor.  I don't remember the borders, but how useful would in be for Manchester et al to have their own parliament to address the concerns that aren't important in the Southeast.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Jun 14th, 2005 at 07:00:42 AM EST
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This is one of the unresolved problems of Scottish (and to some extent Welsh) devolution AKA "The West Lothian Question".

The situation is now quite the same as the States/Federal division in the US or for that matter Germany. Scotland and Northern Ireland have seperate legal systems but England and Wales share criminal and civil laws but the Welsh Assembly has certain powers like responsibility for Education. There are therefore votes in the Westminster parliament that affect the whole of the UK, England and Wales only and England only. Despite this all MPs can vote. Scottish Nationalist MPs absent themselves from such votes on principle.

The Labour party depends on its Scottish and Welsh  MPs for its majoriy on votes concerning England only which is why the idea of an "English Grand Committee" where only English MPs would vote on English matters, is unlikely to come about. But then the English are well used to the PM being a "perfidious Scot" - that includes Blair.

 

by Londonbear on Mon Jun 13th, 2005 at 04:24:26 PM EST


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