Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.

Unexpected Grief, Empathy, Anger and Words

by Alex in Toulouse Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:18:32 PM EST

This is kind of a personal diary entry, in which I'd like to invite any of you to write something just as personal.

Late this evening, a friend of mine visited. He is at his parents who live nearby, on holiday from Croatia where he works. He told me that he had just seperated from his wife after only a few months of marriage, and though accepting that an intense moment of personal problems had prompted the seperation, was still feeling some grief at what could have been. We had a couple of beers, it was nice to see him. He was naturally shaken, seperations are always painful.

I always seem to find the right words to say to a friend who's been seperated. I say what I need to say, naturally, without hesitation ..

However I don't do as well with unexpected grief ...


After my friend visiting from Croatia left ... I went upstairs and checked my emails. One was from a friend couple of mine in Paris, and entitled "sad event". My stomach felt kind of weird, as the mail came from both of them jointly, and I knew she was due to give birth soon.

The email said, briefly, that my friend's baby was given birth to January 1st, 2006, fully knowing that the baby had been dead for two days in the womb. They gave the little girl a name, and said adieu to her at the clinic. They also said that they would now be retiring from social life for a few weeks but would need us friends in the future, needing to deal with this on their own for now. They also mentioned that we could all reply to them by email as they wouldn't be answering the phone.

So here I sat for about an hour (this was a couple of hours ago), trying to write an email. By the end I was puffed red and my eyes were blurry, of course, and I still had only barely come up with one sentence. I eventually managed to write a short paragraph, but thought fuck this and added at the end of my email that I was sorry for writing such a pasteurized message in which words were handpicked, when all I really wanted to do was scream and cry and take their grief away, while sharing beers at a bar we sometimes go to whenever I see them in Paris.

So I was wondering if any of you have experience in helping close friends deal with unexpected grief. Or in dealing with it personally.

I'm not talking about expected grief, if there really ever was such a way to call it anyhow, as all grief strikes unexpectedly, in a sense. But if there is then let's say that I am somewhat familiar with it (example: the grief of a friend whose dying mother eventually passes away). I find it naturally in me to help or empathize with a friend who has to live through one.

It's the unexpected grief that I find difficult to handle, and that I am asking about. I've been confronted to it a few times (suicide, car accident ...), and have never found the right thing to do to help people living it ... I have always just sat there, wondering about the cause, angry at the injustice, afraid of saying the wrong thing, of doing the wrong thing, and so ending up doing very little.

Do you have any personal stories to share here? Please feel free to write anything that comes to mind. Replace the "I" in my story by some other pronoun or name if you want, it would still be the same story.

Display:
I don't think there is anything useful you can say or do, especially if there's nothing practical you can do. Express your sympathy, try not to sound too artificial - not that they can hear you anyway - and try and be supportive over the greiving process. It's just going to hurt and there's nothing that can be done about that.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:33:32 PM EST
I guess that's why I actually end up doing almost nothing  -- there just seems to be no point in even trying to do anything.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:38:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's what all the formalities about death are for, to a certain extent: to structure the period after the event to give people something to cling to, something to do while they start to process the event.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:43:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
let yourself go to anger until nothing is left of it. Then you'll find out you've regained energy to do things. That's what I was saying about withholding anger, it requires a tremendous amount of energy and you end up burnt out.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:51:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fisrt of all, let yourself go to anger, let it out, fumble, you can even break one or two things, not too valuable tough :-) <just to lighten the tone a little bit>.
It is important not to withhold the anger we feel when facing injustice, it would otherwise consume us from inside. It's natural to feel helpless and be angry over that too. because there is nothing you can do. Fate, Gods, and all that stuff...
Then, simply tell your friends you feel for them and are around if they need to talk or get together. "I am here for you" is one of the most powerful sentences I've ever heard under such circumstances. Ihis post is not the right place for me to go into the unexpected grievances I went through recently, this is just to say that I talk from experience of really supportive friends.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:48:22 PM EST
Yup, that's all you can do. Especially in this case, which tends not to be supported very well by the rituals for some reason.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:49:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm fine, I mean me personally, and certainly because I am not the one going through the grief. But I do feel their grief and thus feel sad (puffed up, you know, glossy eyes, runny nose, heavy head, like when you have a cold).

Like you said Colman, this is the kind of event that's not really covered by the rituals. I can just imagine my friend learning December 30th that her baby, due shortly, is suddenly dead, inside the womb, with no apparent cause (no strangulation with the umbilical cord, no defects, nothing). And still having to go through the pain of child-birth January 1st (was to be her first child), and not hearing the baby crying when the mid-wife brings it out.

And then I think about what nice people they are, people who never bother anyone, who never ask for anything, and that's where the feeling of injustice creeps in.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:04:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
ps: they said in their email that the doctors had found no apparent cause, that's why I mention the umbilical cord strangulation which is, as I understand, rare, but nevertheless a known cause of intra-uterine death right before birth.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:09:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Your friends only need to know that 'you are there', there is nothing to say except platitudes.

After grief, there is much to do. Having close friends is a vital part of it. Prove it.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:36:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
refrain from imagining, you're hurting yourself more than you think, hence all the symptoms you mention. What you can do best right now is to take care of yourself to be there so as to support your friends when they  will need it.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:20:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But actually that is the thing - I can empathize a lot but I'm not hurting myself by doing this (I'm fine!).

Only getting in their shoes to be better able to know what to say to them. And I find it very easy to get into grieving people's shoes, or to empathize with others in general ... but this just doesn't help me find the right thing to say to them.

Like some latino freedom fighter said one day, it's important to be able to hear the beating heart of any human being ... but that doesn't make us any better at helping it beat.

This is the dilemna. And the topic of this thread is then to discuss if there is an easy way to be supportive. I don't want to be artificial, and I don't want to be non-conformist either (ie. hoping so much not to be artificial that you end up being on the wrong foot). And because of this duality, I end up being nothing at all. Each time I've been confronted with this, I've let other friends take the initial brunt by going in to help the grieving friend, and only started relaying these friends after a couple of weeks (by then I find it easier to get involved as I don't find it awkward any more).

It's basically hard for me to find the right balance between "leaving people some breathing space to grieve on their own", and "being there". I usually opt for "doing nothing" at first and at a later time "making them laugh". And this didn't help me write that email earlier on!

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:32:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Why don't you email them a link to this thread? You've been writing from your heart here. Or just copy the words into a private email if you don't want them to see that this was a public discussion, these words were just fine.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:43:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's actually a good idea. I'm too afraid to do it, but it is a good idea. At least everything I say here indeed is honest and non-artificial.

I think for now I'll just let it all rest and talk to some of our common friends tomorrow to get some news. The baby girl died 4 days ago after all, so perhaps now the initial shock is over and the real grief has started, making it a time when they need privacy above all.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:49:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
do keep us updated.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 4th, 2006 at 07:23:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
exactly


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:38:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I guess you're right, Sven, it's all platitudes for now, and no need to try to do anything else like Agnès and Colman said. Especially considering that my friends even say in their email that they just want to deal with this on their own, and won't answer the phone. And there is only so much that you can say in an email that will be of any use.

Ok, then, and since my email's already been sent, I'll leave it at that for now.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:44:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
is in readjustment. After the fact. As you say.

To come from grief back to 'life' is something that has been investigated in the development of trauma therapy.

As a friend, your duties are to stand ready - to imply your availability without intrusion - and then be prepared to help the transition. It's all about love, really. Everyone knows what to do - be themselves - because people emerging from grief would like to know that life goes on.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:53:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
to imply your availability without intrusion

I think you've nailed it right on. This is generally the thing that I find the hardest to balance out. How much to offer and how much to hold back. In the initial stages that is, as indeed afterwards I find it natural to be myself with them and help them see that "nothing's changed".

Ok, thanks to all of you for the advice, and Alexandra for sharing your experience. I'll let it rest for some time and call on some of our common friends in Paris tomorrow.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 06:01:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 06:15:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've been on both sides of the unexpected grief. Grieving for the unexpected loss of someone very close and having friends in similar situations. As Colman mentioned the rituals do help. In the pain you don't always hear what others have to say but I've found that the knowledge that there is someone who cares stays with you. I also think we all have different ways of dealing with grief some need to talk it though others need to ignore it for a while in both cases trying to keep their sanity and ability to put one foot infront of the other.

By the way, your e-mail sounded like the kind of thing I would have wanted to hear when in pain but who know if I would have heard it. All the best to you & your friends.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 05:40:58 PM EST
Thanks for sharing this Alexandra.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 06:04:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you're welcome. Thanks for your dairy. Good night. It's midnight in Toulouse isn't it ;-)
by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 06:07:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes it is midnight here, but I'm a night cat ... I'll be up for some time trying to do some work. Take care Alex in WMass!
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 06:09:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I experienced unexpected grief. (Mother died 5 years ago)

I did not want to hear "I'm so sorry," "I know things will get better," "Let me know if there is anything I can do," "Call me if you want to talk."  Etc.  And I really resented the idea that anyone could know what I was going through.  Even if they HAD gone through something similar, no 2 people have the same lives.

Looking back, I really appreciate those who did let me be alone when I needed to be, provided some escapism (dark humour esp. appreciated), who called me, and who did not wait to be asked, but just did nice things like brought over groceries, cooked me dinner, etc.  I'm too modest to ask people for these things, but when you are racked with grief, the idea of grocery shopping just seems unbearably absurd...

Everyone's mileage varies.  But err on the side of not asking anything of the person grieving, even that they call you.  Do what you'd want someone to do for you.  And make it personal.  What do you as a unique individual have to offer this person?  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 06:18:12 PM EST
Thank you poemless for sharing this. I did not dare to do same but you showed the way. As I hinted, I've had a lot on my plate in 2005 in that respect.
My mother died this summer. My mother's death was not that unexpected as we came to know that she had cancer early 2005, but we thought the disease could be constrained plus the reason why she could not make it is that she was reacting very badly to being under anesthesy, so we were faced the dilemma of risking her death by not waking up after an ultimate surgery which we had no guarantee would be sufficient at all, and avoiding that surgery. The surgery eventually took place, then a cerebral death. My step-father and I had to decide whether to artificially maintain the body alive or "unplug" her. This decision was really heart-wrecking.
What I have to say is that my mother and I were no longer very close, but still this was an ordeal and the most difficult for me was to support my step-father who was devastated. He has not fully recovered yet, but found in work and caring for my younger step-brother and sister a diversion to his grief.
That's the basis on which I wrote my comments yesterday, Alex.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Jan 4th, 2006 at 06:55:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I understand, and thanks for sharing this story Agnès.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Jan 4th, 2006 at 07:26:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry I missed this last night, Alex. I haven't got anything brilliant to add, a number of people have said what I think. What your friends need most (from you) is to know that you're there, that you're feeling for them and you're ready to bring them support in any way they might ask. It's important that people facing that kind of trauma know they have friends they can count on.

You too, facing the sharing of their trauma, you have friends -- witness this thread.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jan 4th, 2006 at 03:45:15 AM EST
but it's the silent spaces in between that tell the deepest story, and how serene you can stay within them.

oh yes and banal things like offering discretely to take over some chore, or better, just doing it if you know how.

the reason you feel awkward is that platitudes feel so inadequate, but they are around because they are the best we have learned to say over time.

how you say them, and how centred you stay in the spaces of silence will count the most. beam them lots of calm love and in their sensitised state they will surely be receptive, even if not visibly or at once.

your humour will come in VERY handy, but later.

it doesn't get any more solemn than losing a child, and being at peace with your own gravity, even if you have never suffered as deeply as they have, will show them that you care, and can respect their pain and need for alone-time.

a card would be nice, as they can open it when they feel comfortable to do so.

silence is always better than uncentred conversation, or mere role-playing, in my experience.

my condolences to you and your friends.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 4th, 2006 at 08:00:59 AM EST
Follow-up. Our common friends in Paris have all been silent about this event, as if it were taboo to talk about it. I asked about it to ever single one of them by email and got absolutely no response. Well, not quite. I got a flurry of emails as usual (we friends generally email each other dozens of common mails every day, to keep in touch, to argue etc), in response to my email, but in those replies my friends all talked about other things, like "what are you doing tomorrow night?" or "man my daughter is so annoying these days". So I didn't ask again, afraid of breaking some unspoken rule or something strange like that. I then called the best friend of the deceased child's father, but he's on a skiing holiday, and probably doesn't even know what's happened. So I've had until now absolutely no news from outside.

But just a short while ago, I received an email from my friend couple and I feel re-assured. I won't translate it here, because I'd like it to remain private, but in essence, they tell me that my email did them a lot of good, that they were happy to receive it quickly, and that they agreed with my final sentence that words just seemed to be useless, even for them who find it very difficult these days to describe what they're feeling. They go on to say that words can let you know that friends like me are with them, and that even if tons of pain remain, I at least took a part of that pain away and for that they are very grateful.

Their email is very moving.

I'd like to thank some of you here who have made suggestions to provide help without waiting to be asked for it. Since I am not in Paris (and won't be for some time), I'll buy something very special for them tomorrow and snail mail it to them.

Love to all.

by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Jan 7th, 2006 at 06:34:13 PM EST
Or Monday, damn tomorrow is Sunday and in France the whold country comes to a halt on Sundays.

ps: my thanks above extend to everyone, as you all helped me formulate the second email I just wrote to them. I am only additionally singling out those of you who suggested not to wait, because it helped me know what to do next (as long as I'm not in Paris).

by Alex in Toulouse on Sat Jan 7th, 2006 at 06:38:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]


Display:
Go to: [ European Tribune Homepage : Top of page : Top of comments ]