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Why Don'tcha Come with Me, Lil' Girl, on a Magic Pony Ride

by Drew J Jones Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 06:20:58 AM EST

Wrote this in a response to an old friend and (brief) bandmate of mine, Jessica, who accuses our new, super-hot Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi of wanting to "cut-and-run" from Iraq, tax and spend, not enforce our immigration laws, and "usher in a return to feminist milestones" (which is, I guess, a bad thing in the Wingnut-o-sphere).  You're, obviously meant to sing the title of this diary to the tune of Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride"....

Poor Jessica.  Her political party was, as we all know, slaughtered seventeen days ago.  (Winds of history and all that.)  And now she feels the need to bash Speaker-elect Pelosi.  Time for another round of Drew Debunks Republican Horseshit, I suppose.

One would think that after five years of the press drooling over that incomptent little shit in the White House, Republican voters would get the hint that the "liberal media" their leaders out in Wingnuttia always talk about is nothing more than a bogeyman.  Totalitarians always need bogeymen, whether they be Stalinist-era Communist Party members in the Soviet Union talking of infiltration by capitalist sympathizers.  Or National Socialists -- better known, of course, as Nazis -- blaming Germany's WWI loss on liberals and Jews.  Or Mao's disastrous fight against "counterrevolutionaries" back in the mid-20th Century.

Craving Hank Kissinger's Salted Peanuts

Or the far less crazy, but still dangerous, current incarnation of the Republican Party -- always in need of a bogeyman.  I'm not sure what, exactly, they're afraid Pelosi will push through.  (Mandatory veganism?)  Nobody is going to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, because we have the "liberal media" providing a constant stream on St. John McCain's Magical Pony Plan for Iraq.®

McCain, for those of you who haven't read it, wants to send 20-40,000 more troops.  (One problem, Johnnykins: We don't have enough troops to do that.  Next in line, please.)  The press, as I said, eats this garbage up, pretending as though McCain is anything other than a conservative ideologue still refighting Vietnam in Iraq.  (We would never have won Vietnam without nuking Hanoi.  The same is true of Iraq, except that Hanoi is, of course, replaced by Baghdad.)  The lesson of Vietnam -- the one Bush and his neocon handlers are too blinded to learn -- is that a true superpower can admit a mistake, move on and know that history shall eventually see the world coming down on its side in the larger struggle if we are truly correct.

We lost the battle in Vietnam, but we won the war, and this, too, shall be the case in Iraq one day.  Today Vietnam, while still run by the Communists, is "renovated" (their term, not mine) and booming -- although it is struggling with several critical issues, particularly unemployment.  But, in the end, the South won.  And, one day, Iraq will be a democracy.  It will enjoy the freedoms we apparently want to provide.

But back to the present: The Republicans lost this war.  They started it, and they lost it.  Could the Dems have won it if in the GOP's position?  No, because no one in Washington -- the president being the worst case of all -- understood the dynamics of Iraq sufficiently.  Bush recently admitted that, prior to the invasion, he did not know there were Sunnis and Shi'ia.  That should be an impeachable offense.  I knew there were Sunnis and Shi'ia, and that they hated each other, and I'm just some loud-mouthed asshole of a university student on a notebook.  But, even if I hadn't known this, I'm not the President of the United States, for Christ's sake.  I'm not the one with the power to press the red button.

If you don't understand even the basic idea of a long-standing conflict between Sunnis and Shi'ia, yet still think of yourself as an intelligent person in discussions of the War On Terrorism,TM -- as is the case with most pundits -- we're doomed to repeat this mistake.  Osama bin Laden and the rest of al-Qaeda are Sunnis from Saudi Arabia.  (Saudi Arabia.  You know the place: Almost all of the 9/11 hijackers were from that country and "educated" there.  It's also the country Republicans love to love in their realpolitik fantasies.)  Iran, to take another example since Republicans always try to tie it to bin Laden, is a theocracy run by Shi'ia.  Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are actually advocates of Shi'ia persecution -- clearly a sign (note: sarcasm) that bin Laden is a natural ally of Ayatollah Khamenei.

The Shi'ia and Sunnis have been facing off for centuries.  Bush chose to not educate himself on this, and now we have 140,000 troops stuck in between the two sides, at a financial cost approaching £530 billion.

Call it "cut-and-run," but I know that I, for one, would not send my kid to Iraq, nor would I volunteer to go to Iraq, and I suspect the same is true of the people who use the "cut-and-run" meme.  If not, your next stop should be GoArmy.com, where you can set up an appointment to enlist -- that is, of course, so long as you're not a homosexual.  (Drug addiction is fine, though.)  Or, if you're really dying to see combat, ARNG.Army.mil is apparently your best bet.

"long-standing conflict between Sunnis and Shi'ia"

There was not a long-standing conflict in Iraq between Sunnis/Shia, they were fighting together against Iran without much trouble.

The mess was created by the anglosaxons invaders, NOT by Sunnis/Shia.
This horror would not exist if the infrastructures/government/army/oil/university/police have not been destroyed by this war and the inhumane sanctions that were in place since 1992 (enforced by the anglosaxons).

i find frankly too convenient to blame the Sunnis/Shia for this miserable failure.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 06:36:21 AM EST
If the Anglo-saxon invaders didn't have this frame that every country outside the US is torn by sectarian conflict and the role of "the west" is to manage the sectarian factions, the sectarian factions wouldn't have been empowered.

The false parallel with the occupation of Germany and "debaathification" also played a role, of course, as well as the absolute lack of post-invasion planning and the inability to take control (Baghdad looting) though, seeing that the Oil ministray was indeed protected from looting one would have to conclude it was not inabillity but unwillingness.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 06:45:26 AM EST
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Let's say the invasion had succeeded as (allegedly) planned and Iraqi oil was now flowing at full capacity.

What would the price of oil be on the markets?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 07:44:14 AM EST
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There was not a long-standing conflict in Iraq between Sunnis/Shia

The conflict goes back almost 1400 years, and you're simply demonstrating Hussein's dictatorial powers by referencing cooperation in the Iran / Iraq war.

The only lesson here is that it is terrible to be on the short end of history.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 03:43:34 PM EST
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in 1400y , There have been pretty much no deadly conflict between Shia/Sunni (we cannot say the same in Europe).

Think of US without any infrastructure, police, army, education, water, bank system, electricity, with some reckless foreigners that put a huge mess. With the quantity of weaponry each American have, i am quite confident you would have the kind a deadly anarchy we see in Iraq.

the Iraq will be stabilized by the religious, and it will not be pretty.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 04:37:20 PM EST
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I think you're talking at someone else.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 04:42:36 PM EST
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i am talking to you ;-)
by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 06:57:59 PM EST
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