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Is Ségolène a neocon ?

by oldfrog Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 08:27:56 AM EST

I found that astonishing comment from Ms Royal. The translation is mine, feel free to correct it.

My headline is provocative but the contents of her declaration could come right away from the WH spin-machine. Replace France by USA at the end of her statement and Europe by "international community" and you have practically a Tony Snow comment :

PARIS (AP) - The situation in Iraq " is not still completely stabilized " but " the country is standing up " in spite of a " form of terrorism ", estimated on Friday Ségolène Royal at the end of meeting with the Iraqi president Jalal Talabani in Paris.PARIS (AP) - La situation en Irak "n'est pas encore totalement stabilisée" mais "le pays est en train de se redresser" malgré une "forme de terrorisme", a estimé vendredi Ségolène Royal au terme d'une rencontre avec le président irakien Jalal Talabani à Paris.

Questioned about the timetable of the withdrawal of the international force, the socialist potential president candidate thought that " the time will come when the Iraqi government will think that it has come, that is to say when all conditions of security and of good democratic functioning will be there ". " It does not belong to others outside the country to decide on the forms of this transition ".Interrogée sur le calendrier de retrait de la force internationale, la présidentiable socialiste a estimé que "le moment sera venu lorsque le gouvernement irakien estimera qu'il est venu, c'est-à-dire lorsque toutes les conditions de sécurité et du bon fonctionnement démocratique seront là". "Ce n'est pas aux autres à l'extérieur du pays de décider les formes de cette transition".
" I think that the country is standing up ", assured Ségolène Royal at the end of this meeting of one hour in a big Parisian hotel. " There are at the same time elements of light "and " and at the same time the weight of the rioting, of a form of terrorism and therefore the situation is not still completely stabilized "."Je crois que le pays est en train de se redresser", a assuré Ségolène Royal au terme de cette entrevue d'une heure dans un grand hôtel parisien. "Il y a à la fois des éléments de lumière" et "en même temps encore le poids des désordres, d'une forme de terrorisme et donc la situation n'est pas encore totalement stabilisée".
Visiting to send to Mr Talabani " a message of friendship between the peoples ", the socialist candidate expressed her wish " of a quick reconstruction in this country which was devastated by the dictatorship we know about", so that " the Iraqi people who has so much, so much suffered can particularly find again  dignity, trust in itself and a desire to straighten the slope ".Venue adresser à M. Talabani "un message d'amitié entre les peuples", la candidate socialiste a exprimé son souhait "d'une reconstruction rapide dans ce pays qui a été ravagé par la dictature que l'on sait", pour que "le peuple irakien qui a tellement, tellement souffert puisse retrouver notamment la dignité, la confiance en lui-même et l'envie de redresser la pente".
" All what France will be able to do ", whether it is " by its own means, but also by redefining a diplomatic policy at the level of Europe " " will go in the good direction ", she assessed. " It will will be a contribution in the stabilization of this part of world ". AP"Tout ce que la France pourra faire", que ce soit "par ses propres moyens, mais aussi en redéfinissant une politique diplomatique au niveau de l'Europe" ira "dans la bonne direction", a-t-elle jugé. "Ce sera une contribution à la stabilisation de cette partie du monde". AP


In her attempts to position herself as an "international figure" for her future presidential role, SR is only producing a lot of crap. She cannot be that clueless. That Chirac has a mild diplomatic tone towards Talabani, it's OK in the actual context, but I don't know if he ever quoted that "the country is standing up " in spite of a " form of terrorism "...

I could forgive alot of this given the context of a meeting with Talabani, but: "a quick reconstruction in this country which was devastated by the dictatorship we know about". I think she is overlooking another source of destruction that has led to the need for reconstruction.
by det on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 09:30:36 AM EST
Well, if Ségo were a neocon, she'd be saying this:
"The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says now, adding that total defeat--an American withdrawal that leaves Iraq as an anarchic "failed state"--is not yet inevitable but is becoming more likely. "And then," says Perle, "you'll get all the mayhem that the world is capable of creating."
To David Frum, the former White House speechwriter who co-wrote Bush's 2002 State of the Union address that accused Iraq of being part of an "axis of evil," it now looks as if defeat may be inescapable, because "the insurgency has proven it can kill anyone who cooperates, and the United States and its friends have failed to prove that it can protect them." This situation, he says, must ultimately be blamed on "failure at the center"--starting with President Bush.
Adelman says, "I would write an article that would be skeptical over whether there would be a performance that would be good enough to implement our policy. The policy can be absolutely right, and noble, beneficial, but if you can't execute it, it's useless, just useless. I guess that's what I would have said: that Bush's arguments are absolutely right, but you know what, you just have to put them in the drawer marked can't do.
Or this:
By failing to match his rhetoric with action, Rubin adds, Bush has betrayed Iraqi reformers in a way that is "not much different from what his father did on February 15, 1991, when he called the Iraqi people to rise up, and then had second thoughts and didn't do anything once they did."
(From this Vanity Fair article)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 09:35:59 AM EST
Yes, it is more than disappointing. Royal gives the impression of improvising a bit too often.

Q: Mme Royal, what do you think about... (the weather, football, the EU) ?

A: I think what the French people thinks...

Here, she thinks what will not give offence to Talabani. In which she shows she has little diplomatic and foreign policy experience (as, of course, all the boys say...). And she is not well advised.

I'll willingly back Royal, but I hope she's going to straighten this kind of thing out quickly.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 09:40:21 AM EST
Iraq is a topic where it's difficult to say anything that makes sense without pissing off a lot of people. Being overly generous when the standing representative of the country is around is smart and harmless, and it avoids any "gaffe". Any criticism of the Americans would lead to much worse repercussions as to how clueless she is.

I'd suggest it's a weasely, but ultimately safe position, and thus smart diplomacy, if not very vigorous. But now is NOT the time for vigorous diplomacy, especially for her.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 02:47:51 PM EST
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I expect better from a presidential candidate, that is to say not being "weasely" but to propose decent solutions.

Repeating what the WH says isn't going to help, neither the Iraqis or even her position in the French opinion.

She could have stated that the was "deeply concerned" with the current situation (instead of the "standing up" BS) "even if it was ultimately to the Iraqi people to solve their problems in a peaceful manner". What France could do would be to work "for an international conference for a peace plan for all communities in Iraq". This would include Syria and Iran (as Chirac proposed) and if accepted maybe defuse the explosive situation. Such a statement would give her credibility, which the current one doesn't.

Her statement is nothing else than "staying the course" and she is positioning herself to the right of even the most centrist Democrats. Tomorrow a joint statement from all US Armed forces is coming out to demand Rumsfeld's resignation for his management of the war... so much for the "standing up"....

Being diplomatic doesn't mean sucking up to the Bush administration. There is only one positive point in her statement : to do better Sarko can only propose to send French troops to regulate the withdrawal of the US....

by oldfrog on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 04:43:31 PM EST
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oldfrog, this kind of translation piece is just great. Don't hesitate to put up bilingual comments/diaries.

Migeru introduced us to a system of side-by-side columns so it was easier to read the original language and its translation into English line-by-line. If you'd like to see how to do it, just say so.

Thanks for posting two diaries this weekend!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 09:50:23 AM EST
What was the simplest method of differentiating table columns by colour?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 10:09:05 AM EST
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I mean, after I did the current re-edit, am not sure one block quote per table cell is the right solution.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 10:10:43 AM EST
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This is what I use now, for example:

<!blockquote><!table cellpadding="8">

<!tr><!td width="280" style="background-color: #ffffe0; color: #992020;">INSERT LANGUAGE 1<!/td>

<!td width="280" style="background-color: #eaffea; color: #0a6f0a;">INSERT LANGUAGE 2<!/td><!/tr>


Remove all ! before use.

In other words, the colour goes with the table itself. The cellpadding gives a margin inside the colour block. If the text is long, do multiple < tr >s so as to align the paragraphs one with another.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 10:30:25 AM EST
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I hoped there is now some script to simplify this method or some trick with divs, no fortune. Having no sense of 'right' colors, I'll adopt yours, though.

BTW: re screen size troubles, it may be better to give column widths as percentages not pixels.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 10:38:51 AM EST
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thanks for the editing

I'll try to master the method in the future :-)

by oldfrog on Sun Nov 5th, 2006 at 10:53:16 AM EST

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