ET Wiki - is it any good? (Getting a lot better!)

by Alexandra in WMass Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 05:51:21 AM EST

I decided a few days ago, falsely emboldened by my newly acquired knowledge of HTML, that I would figure out what the ET Wiki was all about. There had been some hint that it might solve the troubled rational and orderly side of my mind, which kept coming back to a quote from a New York Times reporter talking about blogs in 2004: "Never have so many people written so much to be read by so few" and wondering how much good writing, analysis and investigation written for ET disappeared into the archives to never easily be retrieved.

So what is ET wiki and is it of any use? I looked and to my surprise I found ... Update [2006-2-8 15:46:5 by Alexandra in WMass]: see end of the diary for some updates

bumped back up ~ whataboutbob (2-11)

ET wiki is "intended to act as a repository of wisdom and a glossary for the European Tribune community". That was a good beginning. I was ready to learn more and followed the instructions "if you're new to Wikis have a look at the documentation referenced under tools or mess around in the wikiSandbox until you get the hang of it".

But that's where the surprise came. It turns out you have to travel to China to find the WikiSandbox. As of this posting the WikiSandbox instructions read as follows:

< a href=http://www.beijingimpression.com>Beijing Tour</ a>,Active China travel agency based in Beijing offers Beijing budget & deluxe tours,tour and travel information on Beijing hotels,Beijing flights,Beijing attractions, Beijing restaurants,Beijing shopping,Beijing travel service,China tour. Beijing Travel, < a href=http://www.beijingimpression.com>Beijing Tours</ a>, Beijing Hotels: China Tour Operator Beijing travel and tour information on Beijing hotels, attraction, dining, shopping,travel service as well as China tours.

I think someone had been messing around in the sandbox before I got there. I decided to do my own tour of ET Wiki. After all there were some fairly clear categories listed to help me find my way around. I can report back that our Thinktank has also migrated to China, that Energy and Environmental issues are really all about Beijing hotels and that when it comes to EU politics it's all about some fake Do Rank spam control links.

As for the "ET community" if you believe the wiki we are in great peril, although I'm not sure I'm translating correctly. See for yourself:

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Now, thank goodness we have afew to populate the economics section with his interesting article on the flat tax and the tools for action are alive and well thanks, I gather, to the work of gradinski chai and Melanchthon.

Now on the theme of "tools for action" a little search for previous comments about ET wiki revealed some discussion last October about a Locust Watch site http://www.LocustWatch.org which seems to be related, or maybe not, to ET.

Finally, since our wiki seemed "pas vraiment dans son assiette aujourd'hui", that is, not quite himself or herself today, I clicked on the dKosopedia link of ET wiki's home page. I was somewhat disappointed. My quick look at dKosopedia revealed a site for which, it seems, new content is written independent of what's already on Wikipedia and what I imagine must a wealth of content in the archives of Dkos. Why duplicate efforts?

So my question remains how does ET wiki work and what is it good for? Absolutely nothing, to paraphrase the famous anti war song refrain? Should I just come to terms with the closet librarian in me and realize that it's ok for all this good work to be ephemeral even if "never have so many people written so much to be read by so few"? Perhaps the answer is not in Wiki but in some keyword system that allows for better searches of past posts.

What do you think? --------- Update [2006-2-7 21:53:9 by Alexandra in WMass]: Since I wrote this I've learned how to add links to the wiki and added a few, it's a rather random selection. It's very easy to add links just click on edit in the top right corner of the screen then either put the URL starting with http or to hyperlink text: *[[http://www.eurotribwiki.com/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage|European tribune wiki]] ------ gives you an indented European tribune wiki ------------------------- [Update [2006-2-10 14:18:37 by Alexandra in WMass]:] I edited the wiki categories a bit we now have: Under COLLABORATION TOOLS: * ET Community members * Thinktank * Tools for Action * Wiki-ET Technical tips And under TOPICS: * Art and Culture * Economics * Energy * Environment * European Union Politics * Politics and Policy by Country * Misc other --- Feel free to make suggestions

ET Wiki - is it any good? (Getting a lot better!) | 75 comments (75 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

I was wondering how long it'd take for someone to notice.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:27:07 PM EST

Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

I alerted you to this a long time ago.

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/1/12/122510/083#16

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:40:36 PM EST
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Must have missed it. I've reverted out the offending changes now.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:42:05 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

I saw you also added the ET introductions section! In addition I just deleted the Beijin reference from the ET sandbox.

So if I understand it correctly anyone can go add links to their favourite ET posts in the relevant ET wiki categories. Is that right?

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:55:55 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Or whatever else seems like a good idea. The reason I used a wiki was that it's very flexible. It could be used for collaborative development of position papers for instance. Or compiling a shared list of favourite music.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:57:18 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

To answer your question: I threw it up as an available tool for people to take advantage of. Cost: about 1hr of my time. If people don't want to use it, no big loss, but it's an available resource.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:51:15 PM EST

Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Maybe there simply isn't as much wisdom as we'd like around here?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 05:53:57 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Methinks it's more that we are lazy/overworked/tired.

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by DoDo on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:00:54 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Always the optimist.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:07:41 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Come on Colman :-) don't be bashful. I've seen plenty of good background analysis posts around here, along with all the more chatty or one time new item stuff and now that I know I can go put them in the Wiki instead of in my web browser favourites you may be sorry.

However, I wonder what others think about Wiki and/or disappearance into the archives etc....

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:12:48 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Well - do you volunteer to do the linking? :-)

Colman calls me jokingly an optimist above, but I was serious about the reason and am not happy about it - it is also the reason the LocustWatch project is in coma.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:18:35 PM EST
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Yes that's what I was suggesting since I just found out how easy it is to do. I just added an entry in the economics section as a test. You can take a look: http://www.eurotribwiki.com/pmwiki.php/Main/Economics
I just clicked on edit page at the top right of the page and followed the format for the flat tax post that was already there & it worked!!

The question is how to make sure a tourist agency doesn't come in and erase whatever we've taken time to add to the Wiki. Is there a way to avoid that?

The other issue is if I'm the only one adding links to posts then it will be a rather skewed selection based on my interests, the diaries I see (since I'm very far from reading them all for lack of time), the time I spend on ET and it will be useful for me but maybe not for others.

That's one of the reasons I am trying to get a sense of what people think wiki is for.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:31:49 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

The question is how to make sure a tourist agency doesn't come in and erase whatever we've taken time to add to the Wiki. Is there a way to avoid that?

See the "Page History" link down the bottom? You can always revert to previous versions through that.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:34:54 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Hey, anything you link to is one more thing than would have been linked to otherwise. So, it's all good!

Maybe if you get the ball rolling it will help the rest of us get motivated into doing it.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 03:31:06 AM EST
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Perhaps a silly question... (none / 0)

But it would be an idea to have our Frontpagers throw us a reminder now and then every month? I'm aware that ET is still relatively small - although I've the idea it is growing steadily - but if Alxeandra hadn't tossed this subject up, I think I've would've been walking on ignorant for a while...

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:28:27 PM EST
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Re: Perhaps a silly question... (none / 0)

Quick, before you forget! Link all your diaries from the wiki!

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:30:33 PM EST
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Mine? (none / 0)

Why would I want to do that? They're all boring anyway.

Ah, see. I think that I've now hit upon the root of the problem of the Wiki stasis: The ET doesn't like to flaunt! We're too shy! We put a diary here and then hide in a corner, just praying that it will scroll off the sooner the better!

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:55:34 PM EST
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Re: Perhaps a silly question... (none / 0)

I promise to try and remember to make reminders...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 01:41:47 PM EST
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Heh. (none / 0)

I'll remind you. If I remember to. :)

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 02:24:33 PM EST
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I really thing the Wiki could be used to classify the diaries in a hyerarchy of topics, but that would take a librarian, or each diary author could take responsibility for the indexing of their own diaries.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:26:08 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Any suggestions for topics other then the one already there?
* Thinktank
* Economics
* Environment
* Energy
* EU Politics
* ET Community
* Tools for Action

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:32:59 PM EST
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I was thinking more along the lines of having a top "ET diaries" page on which people would link to their own diaries. When a few diaries have been linked, it might become apparent that some of them belong together in some category (say, "human rights"). Then a link to a new subpage page ("ET Diaries/Hman Rights") is created, and the links moved. When a subpage gets crowded or it looks like a subdivision might be useful, it is created. The hyerarchy would be organic (as befits a Wiki), not thought out a priori. Unless you want to adopt something like the Dewey Decimal System :-)

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 06:36:57 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

I'll pass on Mr. Dewey's classification system. Organic sound good to me. I just did a quick test and found that to change the wiki topic categories one need to have a password. However, one can use the existing categories and add headers before a group of links on a similar topic, such as my simple attempt in the economic section:
http://www.eurotribwiki.com/pmwiki.php/Main/Economics

It's all a matter of how and if people want to use the Wiki.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Feb 7th, 2006 at 07:42:03 PM EST
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I can issue you with the password if you want, or I can make changes to order.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 03:34:18 AM EST
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Ok this battle of the links has the potential to drive someone mad. I just went and checked the wiki a few minutes ago and the environment topic had been cannibalized by another invasive non-ET garbage link. I looked at the history & tried to restore the links I had entered but it doesn't seem to work. All I get is a blank edit page and since the links I entered were in the form of hyperlinked text if I just copy & paste from the history page all I get is text without hyperlink. Ahhh! Colman help! Please.

As for the categories I think all that would be nice to add at this point is a misc. other EU and a misc. other category and take it from there since for all we know it will be my private archive facility :-).

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 10:59:17 AM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Fixed!

All you need to do is open the page history and click on the restore link immediately above the version you want to restore. This will take you to an "edit page" window showing the restored page source, which you can then edit. Of course, when doing something like that it's sensible to preview to make sure you're restoring what you wanted.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 11:07:24 AM EST
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Thanks! Little things that make all the difference. I was clicking on the edit below instead of above the version I wanted to restore.

Migeru any links you want to add? hint hint... ;-)

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 11:13:29 AM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

It took me a little experimenting to realize which restore link was the proper one... but the fact that the first restore link appears below the current version was a big hint.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 11:15:45 AM EST
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I'll index all my diaries one of these days...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 11:16:36 AM EST
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I think that's why the wiki hasn't been used much. We all have overly ambitious dream of what the ideal is :-) But Migeru indexed. Hey that would be nice! I'm serious.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 11:25:26 AM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Hey Alexandra. Thanks for all the thought you're putting into this!

A suggestion, you could make an "Art and Culture" topic and this would be a good place for the art diary currently sitting inside the "EU politics" to go. There is other stuff that can fit into the category, like some of Mr. Rubio's culture work and the odd movie discussion, so I think it's a useful category to have.

The other possibly useful categories that spring to mind are something geographical. IdiotSavant updates from NZ and around there on occasion.

Not sure where my two diaries relating to Islam/culture clash sit, they are sort of "EU Foreign Affairs/Policy background" kind of stuff at heart perhaps...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 01:23:03 PM EST
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So glad you spoke up I was going to try an ET google to find the Raza piece having forgotten who wrote it and add it to wiki somewhere. Good suggestions for groupings.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 03:07:45 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

That was Metatone.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 02:19:20 PM EST
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I added it yesterday under the Analysis section of the "Misc. other" topic wans't sure where else to fit it for now.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 04:26:57 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

I've just put in two spam blocking systems. One of them might block bad language, I'm not sure.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:37:02 PM EST
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Ok. I was hesitating but now that Dodo had some specific suggestions for categories I guess it would be good to have the password to be able to make category changes without having to bug you (Colman) each time. You can e-mail me the info if that works for you.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:58:44 PM EST
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WOW!!! Someone has finally taken a liking to Colman's baby!! Go for it Alexandra!! (I should put my money where my mouth is, and put some stuf in there myself...)

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 09:50:47 AM EST

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Bob aren't there memorable posts you wish you could read when their particular topic comes up again? Or perhaps just a few very memorable posts that just captured your imagination. Add them to the wiki or even just here & I'll try to add them to the wiki later today.

Same goes for everyone else.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 11:13:46 AM EST
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If you got the password from Colman, I suggest you separate the EU stuff into EU stuff and European stuff, with country politics in the latter.

Then you could add the diaries I collected the other day on the French 'riots', for example.

On the environment, a separate sub-category could be made for alternative energy, there are a lot of past diaries by Chris Kulczinski (all sorts), Jérôme (mostly wind) and me (German wind, geothermal, false statistics).

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:09:59 PM EST
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I'll have a go... (none / 0)

A while ago there were some excellent diaries on the politics of the Netherlands. I haven't seen a recent one in a while, so I think the series has been aborted, I'm afraid... I'll have a look whether I can track them in the Archive and link them to the Wiki, politics section. * cracks knuckles*

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:32:28 PM EST
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Re: I'll have a go... (none / 0)

You recently posted a comment to a PDB on how D66 "as we know it" was gone after the resignation of its leader, just 2 months before regional election. Maybe it's time for a reappraisal of the Dutch political landscape?

I found the love/hate diaries on Balkenende interesting.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 12:37:07 PM EST
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Well, that was easy. (none / 0)

I've put koenzel's diaries on the Wiki and added the one of Oui to boot. As we say in Dutch, even a child can do the dishes.

I know what you're asking, but since I've decided to become Mr. Science for ET I want to work on that status a little more... If koenzel or the Wijsneus (Frank) are lurking, they'd be better fitted to do the job.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 01:01:44 PM EST
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Re: Well, that was easy. (none / 0)

HAH! Only Mr Earth Science, I (and DeAnander and Migeru) hope :-)

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 01:04:28 PM EST
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*blush* (none / 0)

I stand corrected.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 01:08:48 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

Alexandra, you should see my hotlist...its so full I have to keep bumping stories off...bbut maybe I can bump them off to...ta da! The wiki!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 01:45:30 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

What's a hot list? Is that a special front pager feature?

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 03:10:54 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

No. Go to the open thread, it was explained to me there :-)

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Wed Feb 8th, 2006 at 03:19:40 PM EST
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Re: ET Wiki - is it any good? (none / 0)

This is exactly what the wiki could be used for...for all of those diaries explaining more long term information such as the current political landscape in a country or about EU policy areas. Not the diaries based upon a day's events, but those that are likely to remain accurate for a longer period of time. There has been some good stuff written about various countries. It would be good to keep that stuff handy somewhere.

by gradinski chai on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 07:40:58 AM EST
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(Getting a lot better!) (none / 0)

I have a couple of questions and thoughts:

How about a spot for this diary, so we can go look up stuff later about how to do stuff on the wiki
I have a good number of diaries I have posted on European places with photos. More like light entertainment...and these kind of pieces float through occasionally...so where would that go? Culture? A new "entertainment" section? A "places" section? "Community"?
I think it is interesting to go to specific writers lists of stories and diaries that you like, and see what they have done, and I bet you will find a lot of pieces to post into the wiki. (I have been thinking all of Jerome's stuff should be posted...at least his $100 oil series...but the man's manic...way too much stuff. So maybe the oil series...)

Anyway, really glad you have posted this diary, and you have already done a good piece of work, Alexandra...thank you very much!!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 02:04:42 PM EST

Re: (Getting a lot better!) (none / 0)

(3) of course can be done by going to the user's page in scoop, so doesn't have to be worked into the wiki.

(Just in case anyone doesn't know.)

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 04:03:42 PM EST
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Re: (Getting a lot better!) (none / 0)

But the point is to categorize Jerome's diaries. Going through the list in chronological order is a pain, and as a front-pager he has two lists, of "stories" and "diaries" which makes matters more complicated.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 06:40:16 PM EST
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Re: (Getting a lot better!) (none / 0)

Hi Bob-

I think this i a good working diary but I don't think it needs to be added to wiki instead the info about how to do stuff on wiki can be added to wiki. Either on the main page or in a technical tips section. What do you think?
European places diaries - that's an interesting idea. May just adding them under Arts & Culture for now with a Places heading would be good. Do you have time to do that?
I experimented with adding the author's name next to the diary title in wiki (see example under Arts & Culture) that might be a way to do it. As for separate sections for authors I think we don't need to duplicate what can be done well in ET directly.

Regarding the various series I've been thinking about adding Jerome's oil series and some others it just take a bit of time and haven't gotten to it. I need to pace myself. Need to do my real work and don't want to burn out on ET.

Finally if you or anyone else has good suggestions for diaries to add to the EU politics section it empty right now & I know the is plenty on EU politics here it's just a matter of identifying them.

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 04:38:57 PM EST
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typo (none / 0)

Sorry for all those typos....

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 04:40:00 PM EST
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Re: (Getting a lot better!) (none / 0)

Great idea...maybe the main info in technical tips...I just don't remember stuff well, and need a place to be reminded...
Arts and culture is fine...I will try to find some time on this
I like this idea too...one thing about ET, is that after a time, material goes into the archives, so it isn't always on a person's lists, or easy to access...especially if a person writes a lot...so the more we put stuff in wiki now, the more we have access to...
DON'T burn out alexandra!! Yes, pace yourself...it will be here, and we don't want to lose your enthusiasm for this project...it is an important service to the community!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 05:34:13 AM EST
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I added the tips section, separated what seemed to me were more collaboration tools from the actual topics which I put in alphabetical order.

As for the author issue, I'm leaving that for later. It's a bit tedious to do.

Thanks for your enthusiasm!

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 09:41:49 AM EST
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In the spirit of Wiki, you should just add things wherever you see fit and other people will come in and mercilessly edit and modify your contributions if they think they know better.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 06:38:32 PM EST
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Cross listing? (none / 0)

What about cross-listing? Some diaries might fit in more than one section (e.g. in the economics section and in the country-specific politics and policy section). Should we put them in one place only, or in each place that applies?

by TGeraghty on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 06:33:11 PM EST

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In all places than apply, obviously.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 06:37:23 PM EST
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Re: Cross listing? (none / 0)

Obvious to YOU . . . ;p

by TGeraghty on Thu Feb 9th, 2006 at 07:01:26 PM EST
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(Getting a lot better!) (none / 0)

The Misc. Thread needs upgrading, somehow...I mean, history and immigration could use their own files...imho

Anyway, I did a little time in the Arts and Culture section...very easy!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 06:54:40 AM EST

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My idea was to leave it as is for now and as sections of the misc grow to be too big then we can create a new topic group for them. BTW all those new links are great!!

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 09:35:03 AM EST
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Makes sense...we will probably have more perspective about what needs to be added, as it develops further...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 11:35:33 AM EST
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Alexandra, just checked the progress, wow and thanks! If I have time over the weekend, I may also track down the best of the diaries we had about the German elections.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Feb 10th, 2006 at 04:47:45 PM EST

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I just back there this morning too...and wow wow!! We are really making great progress...what a few people can do!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 05:50:40 AM EST
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Fantastic job, Alexandra!

This gives to ET a new dimension as a tool for sharing knowledge and capitalizing on debate.

Now that, thanks to you, the ET Wiki section is a valuable part of ET, we should bring out its interest for the newcomers and lurkers. The small Wiki link in the top left box doesn't do justice to the richness of its content and I fear that many visitors who didn't follow this diary would miss it. Could we find a way to highlight it? Colman? Whataboutbob?

I have a small technical problem: I would like to repair some dead links on my diary "Lyon, Fête des Lumières", but when I click on "edit my story", the answer is "Story (2005/12/11/133618/32) cannot be edited because it is currently in show mode". What can I do?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 08:08:50 AM EST

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I have no clue why it doesn't work for you. Have you tried "Melanchthon's page" > Diary, and then the "[edit]" link at the bottom of the page?

I got one idea, though - and just to test whether it will work for you, I eliminated the stories' frontpage status.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 02:18:12 PM EST
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Editing an old diary (none / 0)

It still doesn't work. I keep getting the same message: "Story (2005/12/11/133618/32) cannot be edited because it is currently in show mode".

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 04:45:10 PM EST
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Have you tried my first suggestion?

Have you tried to edit your second diary? (With both possible methods - from your Diary page or from the diary itself)?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 06:36:53 PM EST
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I can't find any strange settings. Maybee SCOOP doesn't allow simple users to edit archived posts (though I haven't found such a setting in the user rights setting section). But if you post the links here, I could do the repair for you.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 06:48:17 PM EST
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I have found that archived pieces can't be moved back to the diary or front page...so maybe it is true too in this case. Perhaps doing a cut and paste onto a new diary is needed, which then can be posted? (The comments will be lost, but at least we will have the information...)

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Mon Feb 13th, 2006 at 04:47:22 AM EST
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Hm. I just checked, but my moving of Melanchthon's diary from frontpage back to diary was effective - and it is definitely in the archive. Since both of us are set exactly the same as Superuser, that you can't move archived diaries then we have a further mystery. Maybe Colman knows more?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Mon Feb 13th, 2006 at 05:29:55 AM EST
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YES! Just had a look into the wiki, you've done a great job Alexandra. Hope I can soon spend some time in the sandbox - sounds like fun.

by Fran on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 09:22:05 AM EST

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I did several updates - added three diaries to the Economics section, added my own and Chris Kulczycki's diaries to the Energy and Environment sections, as well as the History part of the Misc other section, in the later I entered all of the Friday Bridge Bloggings and my latest train diary, and crammed in all my Hungarian and one British diary in the Politics And Policy By Country section.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 02:13:39 PM EST

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Colman, Migeru, if you have time, methinks you should fill up the EU politics section with your stories resp. diaries. (Or, Alexandra, would you do it for them?)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Feb 11th, 2006 at 02:20:08 PM EST
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I added some more to the EU section but didn't go digging in the archives so if anyone else has items to add please go for it....

It's looking good!!!

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Sun Feb 12th, 2006 at 01:32:09 PM EST
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