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The End of Globalism? John Ralston Saul

by DeAnander Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 06:22:15 AM EST

John  Ralston Saul suggests in the Australian Financial Review that Globalism (of the Friedman, IMF, WTO, Davos variety) is Over...

This has recently become a favourite article of mine, not because it has a slamdunk conclusion (it doesn't, in fact it kind of fizzles out at the end imho) but because it offers so many intriguingly different ways to look at the last 20-30 years of neocon/neolib dogma.

Many people have documented the incoherency of the dogma and the damage that has been done, but Saul steps back and takes a longer view. Here are some tempting little nuggets which I hope will entice readers to follow the link and discover the rest.  

From the diaries - with minor edits ~ whataboutbob


(I would like to post the whole darned text, but it is rather long).

Grand economic theories rarely last more than a few decades. Some, if they are particularly in tune with technological or political events, may make it to half a century. Beyond that, little short of military force can keep them in place.

The wild open-market theory that died in 1929 had a run of just over 30 years. Communism, a complete melding of religious, economic and global theories, stretched to 70 years in Russia and 45 in central Europe, thanks precisely to the intensive use of military and police force. Keynesianism, if you add its flexible, muscular form during the Depression to its more rigid postwar version, lasted 45 years. Our own Globalisation, with its technocratic and technological determinism and market idolatry, had 30 years. And now it, too, is dead.

the signs of decline are clear, and since 1995 those signs have multiplied, building on one another, turning a confused situation into a collapse.

We have scarcely noticed this collapse, however, because Globalisation has been asserted by its believers to be inevitable - an all-powerful god; a holy trinity of burgeoning markets, unsleeping technology and borderless managers. Opposition or criticism has been treated as little more than romantic paganism. It was powerless before this surprisingly angry god, who would simply strike down with thunderbolts those who faltered and reward his heroes and champions with golden wreaths. If Globalisation has seemed so seductive to societies built upon Greek and Judeo-Christian mythologies, perhaps the reason is this bizarre confusing of salvation, fatalism and punishment. Transferred to economics, in however jumbled a manner, these belief systems are almost irresistible to us.

The British and French empires had vaunted and defended their power in similar ways from the late 19th century on; that is, just as they began to collapse. And as the various 19th-century nationalisms declined into ugliness, their supporters increasingly transformed them into a matter of race.

Inevitability is the traditional final justification for failing ideologies. Less traditional - and a sign of inherent weakness - is the extent to which Globalisation was conceived as old-fashioned religiosity. Perhaps the economists and other believers who launched Globalisation were instinctively concerned that people would notice their new theories were oddly similar to the trade theories of the mid-19th century or the unregulated market models that had been discredited in 1929. And so treating the intervening 40 years as an accidental interval, they began where their predecessors left off: with religious certainty.

This is something I've been saying, though less concisely or coherently, for several years.  So of course I'm pleased to find that Saul has been thinking along similar liines.

Globalisation materialised in the 1970s from the sort of geopolitical vacuum or fog that appears whenever a civilisation begins to change direction, to grope its way around a corner from one era to another.
[...]
What caused that particular void? Perhaps a quarter century of social reform had left the liberal elites exhausted. The need to manage a multitude of enormous new social programs that had been put in place in a democratic manner - an ad hoc manner - made it difficult for political leaders to concentrate on the main line; that is, to concentrate on a broad sense of the public good. Instead, governments were caught up in the endless and directionless details of management. Or perhaps the cause of the vacuum was the resulting reliance of those political elites on technocrats, who understood little of the debate - in fact, distrusted it - and so drew the leaders into isolation.

This seems to me a cogent critique of some of the negative side effects of the Welfare State projects and the professional bureaucracies and technocracies that rapidly encrusted them like barnacles on the ship of state.

As for the new force or ideology that came forward to fill the vacuum, it involved an all-inclusive strategy called Globalisation - an approach that contained the answer to every one of our problems. It was delightfully seductive. It contained simple, sweeping solutions and, as with all successful religions, lodged ultimate responsibility in invisible untouchable hands. Thus Globalisation required no one to take responsibility for anything.

This transcendent vision quickly filled the vacuum. I first heard the variety of personal passivity produced by this belief system on French national television in a speech by Giscard d'Estaing. He had been elected as a new-style political leader - a brilliant economist. Modern. Almost postmodern. He was to lead society via the economy. But he came in just after the 1973 collapse, which included high inflation and unemployment. After a year or so of struggling with the collapse, Giscard went on television to tell people that great global, indeed inevitable, forces were at work. There was therefore little that he could do. Nation states were powerless.

And though Saul does not develop this theme much further, I ask myself what relationship this official passivity and faux fatalism bears to the documented decline in voter turnouts over the period in question...

The reconceptualisation of civilisation through the prism of economics had reached a critical barrier. Beyond that barrier any international exchange that involved a commercial element would be treated as fundamentally commercial. Culture would be seen as a mere matter of industrial regulation; food, as a secondary outcome of agricultural industries.

This is a point on which I have written and thought a great deal;  what becomes of a culture when its most fundamental metaphor is commerce, i.e. when the model of commerce becomes the Platonic ideal and template for all human interactions?

Those who preached Globalisation couldn't tell the difference between ethics and morality. Ethics is the measurement of the public good. Morality is the weapon of religious and social righteousness. Political and economic ideologies often decline into religious-style morality towards the end. But Globalisation had shoved ethics to the side from the beginning and insisted upon a curious sort of moral righteousness that included maximum trade, unrestrained self-interest and governments alone respecting their debts. These notions were curiously paired with something often called family values, as well as an Old Testament view of good and evil.

It somehow followed that if countries were in financial trouble, they were moral transgressors. They had to discipline themselves. Wear hair shirts. Embrace denial and fasting.

This was the crucifixion theory of economics: you had to be killed economically and socially in order to be reborn clean and healthy. For a quarter century, under the severe hand of the IMF, this moralising and emotionally charged approach has been applied to the developing world with absolutely no success. Oddly enough, it had been presented as a form of cool, detached utilitarianism. Those who applied the theory seemed to fail the basic philosophical test of functioning intelligence and ethics - the ability to imagine the Other. They simply insisted, as developing-world debts continued to rise on a rollercoaster of instability, that those people must learn to act in a more predictable manner.

Which brings to mind rather aged priests insisting that young men should take cold showers and exercise more.

Saul's observation that ideologies often decline into rigid moralities or zealotry "towards the end" parallels thoughts I've been struggling with for some years about the notion of "life cycles" in human institutions, and the symptoms of senescence in same.  The moral righteousness and "Scarlet Letter" aspect of IMF's punitive policies towards the Third World have long been evident to many critics, Saul just sums it up  succinctly and more wittily than most.

In a depressing game of leapfrog, the Yugoslavian settlement competed with a genocide in Rwanda, where half a million to a million people were murdered. This is a remarkable statistic.

In a global world of economic and social measurement, we are bombarded daily by apparently exact statistics measuring growth, efficiency, production, reproduction, sales, currency fluctuations, comparative levels of obesity and orgasms, divorce, salaries and incomes. Yet we don't know, or don't care to know, whether it was a million or half a million Rwandans who were massacred. And the genocide was facilitated by Paris and Washington, using old-fashioned nation-state powers at the UN security council to block a serious international intervention. The Rwanda catastrophe then morphed into the Congo catastrophe, involving 4.7 million deaths between 1998 and 2003. Or was it 3 million? Or 5.5 million?

The point is that the inevitability of global economic leadership has been irrelevant through all these crises. While the true believers speak of Globalisation, we are in fact in the middle of an accelerated political meltdown marked by astonishing levels of nationalist violence.

This is a topic that has engaged posters here, at MoA, and on other fora and blogs:  whence comes this resurgence of nationalism, religious extremism, revanchism, ethnic separatism?  Wasn't "free trade" supposed to ensure a web of mutual dependency that would eliminate nationalistic warfare?

There is also the problem of failure to predict, i.e. even in the realm of finance and economics the neolib orthodoxy has demonstrated poor predictive powers in practise (almost as poor as the Soviet planners achieved with similar hubris, confidence, and self-righteousness):

For a short period it looked as if the IMF's punishing approach might actually work. For a dozen years most Latin American governments tried to follow instructions laid down by the IMF, Western governments and the private banks. They endured crucifixion economics, and in many cases this eventually produced apparently solid growth, even if the parallel result was a greater rich/poor gap. But in each case the recovery was followed, a few years later, by even greater collapse. It turned out that such prolonged austerity had weakened, not strengthened, the social-economic fabric. So after all of the liberalisations, privatisations and inflation-stabilisation programs, growth in Latin America in the late 1990s was a little over half what it had been before the reforms.

True believers will tell you that it could have worked, if only there had been less nepotism, weaker unions or less corruption. But real economic policies in the real world don't require perfect conditions. Perfect conditions don't exist in the real world. Western growth over two centuries has come in spite of our own shifting flaws.
[...]
Malaysia responded to an economic meltdown in Asia by refusing to follow the Global rules. The government pulled its currency off the market, made it nonconvertible, pegged it just low enough to favour exports, blocked the export of foreign capital and raised tariffs. These measures were met by an explosion of Western moral fervour. Malaysia could not do this. Its economy would not survive. The leading international emerging-markets index expelled them. Then everyone averted their eyes from the inevitable collapse. In 1999, a short year later, that same index sheepishly readmitted Malaysia. Smarter merchant bankers began to praise the possible long-term investment advantages of pegging certain currencies in certain conditions.

In other words, real-world results suggested that the official dogma was incorrect. But the official dogma serves to enrich an elite few, serves as a cover for wholesale looting and expropriation (something which Saul refrains from discussing, but Stiglitz and others have plenty to say about this).

Saul also addresses a longstanding bête noire of mine:  gigantism (whether Soviet or corporate, the results are similar):

As for the romance of gigantism - of corporate size as a criterion for industrial success - it was beginning to look pretty silly. Endless mergers had led to high levels of unserviceable debt and bankruptcy. It was as if size had replaced thought. As if it were a male thing.

It was all beginning to resemble the 17th- and 18th-century speculation markets - the South Sea Bubble, John Law and the French regency, the Dutch tulip-bulb frenzy. The larger the corporations grew, the slower and more directionless they became - enormous management structures frightened of serious investment and risk. They resembled out-of-control bureaucracies. Yet the whole argument in favour of Globalisation had been the apparently desperate need to wrench power from the bureaucracies and place it firmly in the hands of real owners capable of taking real risks.

More perhaps than the genocides, the disorder in the streets, or the debt crises, it was those simple recurring images of corporate ineptitude, combined with an absence of self-criticism, that first made clear the decline of Globalisation. How then could any of us seriously believe that our redemption lay in the reconceptualisation of civilisation so that we could all view it through the prism of business and economics?

The larger the corporations became, the more deregulation released them to be themselves, the faster they slipped out of sync with their civilisation and even with their customers and shareholders.

Saul concludes that nationalism is resurgent, and that this can mean good things and bad things.  National governments contending with transnat pharmacorps for humane pricing on HIV-management drugs, for example, he considers a benign nationalism at work.  Ethnic separatism, cleansing campaigns, territorial aggressions, resource wars are costly negative nationalisms at work.  His conclusion is inconclusive:  he thinks we are at an historical cusp, an interregnum between the failure of a grand ideology and the emergence of something new.  The dice are rolling according to Saul;  but the Cult of Globalism in his opinion is expiring fast, and will soon find itself on that proverbial scrap heap of history where exploded theories sit and rust away quietly.

On the whole I think he's an optimist :-)  And encoded, unexamined, in his text is the underlying Growth Is Good mantra which cannot remain unexamined much longer.    But I found this essay interesting reading, and it inspires me to try his book Voltaire's Bastards.  Whether I agree with it or not, at least it promises to be readable :-)

Poll
Is Globalism on its way out?
. Globalism is the One True Faith, History is Over, Saul is clueless 10%
. Globalism is here to stay but transnational corporatism is in trouble 25%
. Globalism is doomed, re-Balkanisation is on its way worldwide 5%
. The next globalism will be the new Dar al-Islam 0%
. World democratic/representational government within my lifetime 10%
. World democratic/representational government within my children's lifetime 0%
. Globalism dies with $100/barrel oil, not before 20%
. I think I liked the 70's better 30%

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Great diary. A couple of glosses...
Globalisation materialised in the 1970s from the sort of geopolitical vacuum or fog that appears whenever a civilisation begins to change direction, to grope its way around a corner from one era to another.
[...]
What caused that particular void? Perhaps a quarter century of social reform had left the liberal elites exhausted.
With hindsight, it is possible that the peak of prosperity of western civilization may have been reached in the 1960's. I mean, tuition was free in the Universite of California, North-Western Europe was living in a Social-Democratic "paradise", there was a strong and numerous middle class that could afford to live with only one income per household... This prosperity led to an explosion of cultural experimentation, a memetic evolutionary radiation... and then in the 1970's it was all over with the first oil crisis. We have been in transition for over 30 years, and if peak oil hits before 2012 it will be the end of the old system. Whatever comes next has probably had its groundwork laid since 1989 (end of the cold war), but we won't know what it is until after maybe (again) 30 or 40 years. That is, 2020-2030. That gives us 7 to 15 years after Peak Oil to adjust to the new system, whatever it is.

As for this (my emphasis)

These notions were curiously paired with something often called family values, as well as an Old Testament view of good and evil.
It somehow followed that if countries were in financial trouble, they were moral transgressors. They had to discipline themselves. Wear hair shirts. Embrace denial and fasting.
This was the crucifixion theory of economics: you had to be killed economically and socially in order to be reborn clean and healthy.
it just shows to what extent we have been living under a Calvinist ideological regime for my entire lifetime (sigh). My middle years will be spent in the transition (not a bad period to live through, all things considered) to (hopefully) a more humanistic order.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 05:03:14 AM EST
I really like the meme...thanks for this, DeAnander!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 05:07:14 AM EST
I found that Voltaire's Bastards had some gems in it, but tended to drift into incoherency quite a bit too.

He has a newer book out, which I want to read but I haven't got around to as yet:

The Collapse of Globalism: And the Reinvention of the World

I guess it runs along the themes in this article and other recent ones he has published.

I'm uneasy with the conflation of different types of nationalism. Economic nationalism in the "First World" can maybe said to be "resurgent" but I strongly feel that all those things like resource wars, ethnic tension, etc. never ebbed in the first place, so to class them as resurgent leads to faulty analysis. This is a big topic though, so I'll stop here for now.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 05:49:19 AM EST
Economic nationalism in the "First World" can maybe said to be "resurgent" but I strongly feel that all those things like resource wars, ethnic tension, etc. never ebbed in the first place, so to class them as resurgent leads to faulty analysis.

Agreed - it can only be said to be resurgent regionally.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 06:04:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ever the pessimist, I don't think even a Peak Oil-style invalidation of the dogma will dissuage the dogmatists. Still I think neoliberal Globalism will collapse in my lifetime.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 06:03:23 AM EST
But what will come out of the collapse? I'm betting on global anarchy punctuated by outbursts of nationalism.
by Francois in Paris on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 07:01:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm pinning my hopes on a sane multipolar world. But the decade of 2010-2019 will be painful.

I envision no less than 8 "poles".

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 07:04:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So you assert that states will be able to reassert their power upon private interests?

Just that point is a pretty big leap of faith. I don't think the main antagonism is between states and other states but between states and private non-state actors.

I think states will try, because nations don't go away just like that, but I also think they will fail.
by Francois in Paris on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 07:22:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you look at my map,
  1. the EU is now fighting it, and it is in a gridlock wich is good as long as the Merketistas have the ideological upper hand. That's my fight, and I'm not going to concede defeat just yet.
  2. Russia is (depending on your point of view) reasserting state power (my point) or just handing power over from one generation of private oligarchs to the next (your point)
  3. China is State capitalism.
  4. Mercosur has local state interests versus foreign private interests. They seem to be moving in the "right" direction.
  5. If the African Union gat their act together, they will look more like Mercosur and less like a banana republic.
  6. The Arab world is more collectivist and the extreme version of capitalism needed for megacorps to thrive is un-Islamic.

And so on...

You may be right, but it's not a foregone conclusion.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 07:30:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A lot depends on the time horizons - if we're talking about the 'coming transition' and into whatever the next big thing is (ie up to 2050 or thereabouts), then the poles I see as viable are:

North America - natch. The US may be a declining force but they aren't going away in my lifetime.

East Asia - again natch. China's reassertion of its long-term position disposing of approx 1/3 of world GDP is a cliche because its true.

Europe - will be a multipole of some sort, but the precise nature of the EU's presence will depend upon how the institutions are reformed and what kind of constitutional settlement is finally agreed.

South Asia - it depends on how things pan out in the Islamic world, but I think India will make the step and pull a bunch of others into its regional orbit.

Your other candidates I don't see making it in the near-to-medium future:

SE Asia/Pac Rim - will be the crossroads between NorAm, EAsia and SAsia rather than a multipole of its own.

Dar al-Islam/Central Asia - either the oil hasn't run out, in which case this area remains a satrapy of the other poles (NorAm and China probably) or the oil has gone, in which case the petro-states are turning into C22nd Haitis and everybody else is trying to avoid being sucked down by the undertow.

Mercosur - Uncle Sam's backyard and this won't change by 2050. This is especially true if North America really, truly goes into decline and loses relative position in the Old World.

Africa - the demographic disaster that is HIV (combined with the generally hostile disease environment you get in sub-saharan Africa) will continue to hobble Africa and the 'curse of oil|resources' will get worse as the MidEast drops into the crapper. Africa will be a basket case until the end of the century at least I think.

Russia - should by all rights be a multipole, except all of its blood and treasure is draining into the EU as we speak (write?). The territory currently occupied by Russia will be opened up by Europe and/or EAsia.

Regards
Luke

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by silburnl on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 10:11:44 AM EST
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The territory currently occupied by Russia will be opened up by Europe and/or EAsia.

Um, not likely.  Ask Napoleon or Hitler.  Russia has overwhelming superiority over the EU in terms of nuclear weapons - and maybe even conventional ones - and would not hesitate to use them in case of Europe trying to "open up" her territory.  This is also probably the only thing keeping China from openly annexing the Russian Far East.

by slaboymni on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 05:43:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I am a bit curious about what is meant by "opened up" too. I don't really think he meant what you read into it (since that would be lunacy), but a clarification would be in order.
by Trond Ove on Sun Mar 19th, 2006 at 07:15:22 AM EST
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the EU is now fighting it, and it is in a gridlock wich is good as long as the Merketistas have the ideological upper hand. That's my fight, and I'm not going to concede defeat just yet.

The EU is flawed, but the idea of social solidarity is strong there. The reason why so many Americans are intrigued and exicted by the EU, is because in the EU there seems to be an alternative to the neo-liberal globalization that we find in NAFTA, which is more of an investment protection agreement than a trade bloc.  

NAFTA could learn a lot from the EU.  Labor and  environmental issues need to be at the table when we are discussing pulling down barriers between countries.

The EU has succeeded in elevating 2 of the poor four countries (Ireland, Spain, Portgal, and Greece) to solid middle class status, even more so true of Ireland.  How? Cohesion and structural funds, development aid, all of this is missing from NAFTA.  

The EU for its failings appears to have at the least a soul, a basic sense of responsibility to raise up those who live in it's borders.  NAFTA keeps people down, it invokes Chapter 11 tribunal to overturn state and local laws that protect workers and the environment. The EU has a strong committment to democracy and civil society.  NAFTA and the FTAA have no such component.  Columbia, where  trade unionist are hunted and shot down like dogs in the street, will undoubtedly be admitted to the FTAA without an effort to take corrective action against the paramilitaries that kill unionists.

Mercosur has local state interests versus foreign private interests. They seem to be moving in the "right" direction.

Latin America stands at a fork in the road.  To the left is the path of Mercosur, to the right is the FTAA.  Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, and Uruguay have all chosen the left for.  Columbia alone seems destined to take the right fork.  Mexico, Central America, and the Andean Republics are the subject of a fight for hearts and minds right now.   If Mexico turns to the left, I have no doubt that there will be American troops on the border in short order.  

This is the Southern Bloc that we've been expecting for the past 20 years.  If the US takes a hard stand against Mercosur, the push towards politcal, and military cooperation will be all the more profound.  If the US invaded Venezuela, would the Bolivians send troops, how about Brazil?  What myriad opportunities for regional war lie in wait with the psychopaths in the White House?  There's a refrain that they aren't crazy enough to do that, whatever that may be, they are that insane.  They have 3 more years for provocations and idiocy in the Latin America.  I hope we're lucky enough that they don't light a fire they can't control.  With our friends in the UK joining in, there's only more opporunity for trouble.

I have to go now, I'll be back when I get home, there's more here.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:21:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
MfM, I think you'd find this thread interesting.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:26:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I did.

And I was very nearly dissapointed in you, until I saw that you had taken the clever little fuckers to task for attacked the principle of solidarity.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:06:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Saul makes the point (in a chunk of the article which I resisted the temptation to quote) that natural resources are real and physical, and exist within the boundaries of real national entities.  So that -- as long as national entities control armies and borders -- the transnationals' access to resources is dependent on the consent of nation-states (which is why, though again he doesn't go there, transnational/corporate interests work so hard to install and maintain compliant puppet/comprador elites in countries whose borders include valued resources).  The prospect of genuine democratic government in regions with exploitable resources is anathema to the corporatocracy.

If we take a dystopian view, we may imagine corporations fielding private armies (as DynCorp and Blackwater already do, but so far as renta-mercs in ostensibly national conflicts, not as the shock troops of an explicitly industrial resource grab).  OTOH, some would argue (Butlerians, and I mean Smedley not Samuel) that we've already been there forever -- that the US armed forces have been for at least 3 generations the private army of US corporate interests, sent hither and yon to defend the borders of UFC, ITT, oil barons, and the like.  Is the invasion of Iraq a nationalist war or a corporate war?  Was the occupation of India by the Brits a nationalist/imperialist action or a corporate/commercial action?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:48:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
When I see a corporation deploying a mercenary army against a country instead of using the US as a proxy, I'll begin to worry.

Then again, the outsourcing of US Army combat functions to Blackwater by people with connections with Halliburton is scarily close to that.

It's entirely possible we'll devolve into a cyberpunk dystopia before 2020.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:51:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
With a whimper not a bang.....

I suspect that collapse is on the way, but that what's not expected is that China will be the first to collapse not the US.  There's going to come a time in the near future when China's population begins to decline.  And the rapid aging of the generation born after the one child policy means that a massive labor shortage will hit that country.  

China's advantage is based on very cheap labor, the result of keeping workers down.  The interesting thing to me is that oftern jobs shipped to China undergo a technological regression, going from mechanized, highly productive factories, to work being done by hand.  Whe labor costs in China are 1/50th those in the US, you can afford to exchange labor for capital.  What happens when the price of labor goes up?  Does the cheap labor train move on to Southeast Asia or Africa.  

And what happens to all the Chinse workers burning with resentment over they way that they've been treated (deniend free and independent unions, often cheated out of their paychecks, and all sorts of other explosive social forces kept under control by continued growth.) suddenly are forced out of their jobs.  Communist revolution in China? Ironic, yes.  Plausible, yes.  The scale of civil disturbances in China has been increasing, eventually it's going to be too large to control.  China need markets for growth (42% of its GDP is export driven, that's dangerously high) more than those markets need cheap Chinese goods.  Cheap labor is not something unique to China, and if China falters global capital will find it's way to other countries.  China will be forced to curtail dollar buys if that happens, putting the fixed rate of exchange between the Yuan renminbi and the Dollar in peril.  If China can't but dollars, the cost of Chinese labor skyrockets......

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 11:27:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
here's going to come a time in the near future when China's population begins to decline.  And the rapid aging of the generation born after the one child policy means that a massive labor shortage will hit that country.

I said this before, I'll say this again: there is no such thing as demographic disaster. There will be no massive labor shortage. At most there will be a rise in average retirement age. (And note: if the population decreases, so will be demand.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 05:58:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And though Saul does not develop this theme much further, I ask myself what relationship this official passivity and faux fatalism bears to the documented decline in voter turnouts over the period in question...

And, DeAnander, I ask myself why you ask yourself :).

Of all assertions made by Saul, this is probably the easiest to back up. Why would citizens invest themselves in politics if the first thing politicians do is to assert their powerlessness? Why bother?
by Francois in Paris on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 06:59:27 AM EST
I think the most savvy thing the corporatocracy has done is to invalidate the very notion of democratic politics, thus pre-emptively defusing the only power that has ever been able to contend successfully with elite privilege.

But Saul doesn't go there.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:29:50 PM EST
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I think there is an elephant in the living room here. Even that only power contended successfully with elite privilege only when the elites were scared, scared of overthrow, scared because there was a bloc of countries proving in their eyes that it can happen. Now that that bloc collapsed, the elites feel liberated, and go for a rollback. This is one root of my pessimism: in my view, the State is really powerless to some extent, and it would need people's much stronger involvement in politics and realisation that there's a class war (yes class war, and they started it) going on to beat back.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 06:17:57 PM EST
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On fatalism, the assault on dignity, the posturing of tawdriness:

In the unequal combat against fear, in that combat that each one of us fights every day, what would become of us without the memory of dignity?

The world is suffering an alarming disparagement of dignity. The undignified, those who rule in this world, say that the undignified are the prehistoric, nostalgic, romantic, those who deny reality.

Every day, everywhere, we hear the eulogy to opportunism and the identification of realism with cynicism; the realism that requires elbowing and forbids the embrace; the realism of screw everything and fix it as you can and if not screw you.

The realism, too, of fatalism. This is the worst of the many ghosts seen today in our progressive government, here in Uruguay, and in other progressive governments of Latin America. The fatalism, perverse colonial inheritance, which forces us to believe that reality can be repeated, but it can't be changed, that what was is, and will be, that tomorrow is nothing more than another name for today.

-- Eduardo Galeano

which one reason why the slogan "Another World Is Possible" is so deeply radical.  it defies the Calvinistic deterministic hubris of our elites, who require of us a mute and dejected fatalism, a failure to imagine anything better.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Sat Mar 18th, 2006 at 01:11:45 AM EST
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Great diary.

There was a wondeful comment I found yesterday - as usual, I didn't bookmark it, so no link - where an academic was talking about Sony's recent faux graffiti PSP promotion campaign in Philapdelphia. Sony paid local victims as much as $100 for two weeks of wall time. The city gave Sony and their hip creative agency the bum's rush, and after fines Sony won't be doing it again.

But the great quote said something like 'I think it was just tawdry - but that's modern business for you.'

I thought that really hit the nail on the head. Globalisation is evil, stupid, dysfunctional and really just a con-game to benefit the very rich at the expense of everyone else. But more than that it's tawdry. It has no nobility, no grandeur, no aspiration to promote or achieve anything more than a quick buck and a chance to screw over the little guy.

This acute and terminal poverty of aspiration and vision that makes it different to previous hypocrises like the original Victorians. They were as crazy and ideologically infected in their own way, but they built some astonishing things and valued a project with real vision.

The globalists will leave nothing of value behind them. Once all the Coca Cola has been marketed, the plasma TVs have ended up in landfill, the SUVs will lined up in rusting lines and melted down, there will be nothing else to mark the passing of the locusts.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 08:33:23 AM EST
Was it Bruce Sterling or Neal Stephenson who called the corporate culture the Cheap-and-Nastiverse?

And yes, I suspect that commerce -- as opposed to craft or trade -- may be inherently tawdry;  because its entire focus is on profit, that is, chiselling the extra penny out of the sucker (er, customer) by whatever means necessary.  Which is a tawdry undertaking.  So perhaps we are now a culture that worships tawdriness, and that could explain a lot.

The history of commerce-as-we-know-it is the history of force and fraud, predation with (nominal) rules, the failure of cooperation and reciprocal altruism.  Whether that's because commerce has been defined by the winners in Jared D's Great Game of Guns, Germs, and Steel or because of something inherently dehumanising in the reduction of value and worth to arbitrary cowrie-shell counters that can be infinitely accumulated -- or whether it's Original Sin -- I am not sure.  

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:28:20 PM EST
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Interesting article.  One major criticism:

Keynesianism, if you add its flexible, muscular form during the Depression to its more rigid postwar version, lasted 45 years.

One of the reasons I'm such a huge fan of Keynes is because people in economics say this to me all the time, and they don't even realize the incredible degree to which this is false.  Everyone is a Keynesian, today -- more so than ever before.  Even people who have never studied economics, and who know nothing about economics, are Keynesians.  When a Wall Streeter says, "Consumer confidence is slipping, and that poses a problem," he's demonstrating that he is a Keynesian, whether he realizes it or not.  When a so-called "Supply-Sider" tells you that he's going to cut taxes, so that it will put money in your pocket to spend, he's being a Keynesian.

When citizens say that WWII ended the Great Depression, what they don't recognize is that WWII, from the standpoint of economics, was simply a giant worker program.

(As I've said in the past, Keynes had Supply-Side economics figured out when Artie Laffer was still in diapers, and he had Monetarism figured out while Milton Friedman was still writing his dissertation.  A Monetary History of the US is simply an extension of Keynes's A Tract on Monetary Reform.)

When the media talkingheads and the citizens say that the rebuilding of New Orleans will provide a small boost to the economy -- as an alleged anti-Keynesian professor of mine said last year -- they're talking about Keynesian principles, even when they refuse to admit it.  When Bill Clinton said he was going to raise taxes in order to balance the budget, as the economy left the recovery phase and began its expansion, so that pressure on interest rates would be relieved, he was, in an odd way, being a Keynesian.

So, while the rest of the article is interesting (though wrong, in my opinion), Saul has a very poor understanding of just how dominant Keynes has become in our daily lives.  I could fill, I'm guessing, two diaries with examples of his ideas at work in today's world.  What's so interesting about the man, to me, is that he was able to destroy Classicalist economics in a matter of twenty pages at the beginning of The General Theory.  And the Classicalists, along with the Austrians, have hobbled along ever since.

Saul, like most others who make that statement, has probably never read Keynes -- or, if he has, he probably only read Book I of The General Theory, and was frustrated by the fact that he had no idea as to what Keynes was talking about.  If you want to know just how wrong Saul is, read this and (as Krugman says) marvel.

I'll respond to the rest later.  Need coffee first.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 10:24:38 AM EST
Here is my problem with Keynesianism. The emphasis on aggregate demand has led to nonsense like Bush's "this is the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbour, but by all means keep on shopping"; an emphasis on consumer demand, boosted artificially by asset bubbles is need be; disposable products and planned obsolescence, with the attendant increase in resource use and waste production; and so on and so forth.

So, I don't know, maybe capitalism is due for the next Keynes, because right now it ain't working.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 11:18:07 AM EST
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The problem -- and you're right to bring this up -- is often that the "anti-Keynesians" and other non-readers constantly try to reduce Keynes only to the discussion of boosting aggregate demand.  Had this been his only point, The General Theory would've been no more than fifty pages long, instead of the roughly 400 pages he actually wrote.  Remember that the book is built, first and foremost (and contrary to what the title suggests), as a roadmap to ending the Great Depression, though it is applicable to recessions in general.

Keynes said many times that demand could easily be too high, causing inflation.  It just wasn't the case at the time he was writing his magnum opus.  Demand had collapsed.  And he knew that lowering interest rates more would do absolutely nothing, except cause more money to be stashed in coffee tins under citizens' beds.

You have to look at both sides.  People get caught up in what Keynes was saying about aggregate demand, but he was only saying it because a boost to aggregate demand was what the economy needed, desperately, at the time.  If you ever get a chance to read A Tract on Monetary Reform or The Economic Consequences of the Peace, I highly recommend both, because they'll give you a much better picture of how Keynes thought about inflation and deflation.  (As I recall, he even discusses asset bubbles, though that's not what he calls them.)

They're also much easier reads than The General Theory, which can seem like torture at times, because Keynes was explaining everything in such detail.

Another myth is that people will tell you Keynes believed recessions were caused by a fall in demand.  That may be true, but it's not what I got from him.  My interpretation is like Krugman's.  Keynes didn't give a damn about what caused a recession.  Recessions were, and are, a fact of life, even in non-capitalist countries, so asking what caused them was the wrong question.  He cared about how to combat them.

I think he probably would've advocated a greater emphasis on fiscal policy in the aftermath of the 2001 recession, especially once housing prices began taking off.  But, more than anything, I think the key understandings to take from him are those on inflation and deflation, and especially the fact that they do not produce simply the reverse effects of each other.

A critical point that I think you're getting at is that he's not the end-all, be-all of economics, but rather an important turning point -- away from myths like the idea that money is neutral; that prices and wages adjust instantly; and (most importantly) the idea of the "moral economy" (read: Austrian) where recessions are the result of past excesses and, therefore, cannot be fought.  There is a great deal more to work out, but questions, like those surrounding (say) asset bubbles, are small, relative to those he was working with.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:01:22 PM EST
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As you know I'm slowly making my way through the classics of economics. Should I skip the marginalists and go straight to Keynes?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:10:29 PM EST
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Ever consider writing up book reviews/reports/notes for us as you go?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:13:28 PM EST
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More diaries...

I am not particularly interested in reviewing Adam Smith, but I'd definitely go for a review of John Stuart Mill's Principles of Political Economy and Chapters on Socialism.

I should probably also review 50 major economists, which I read a few months ago.

You keep giving me more and more ET work.. Poor Barbara.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:32:02 PM EST
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No, the marginalists are important, and Keynes is an extension of their work.  I wouldn't skip them.  Nor would I skip the early-20th-Century Classicalists, like Marshall and Pigou, because those are the two men Keynes was critiquing in Book I.  I've never seen a Pigou book outside of a library, but you might have better luck in Britain.  Also, Mises is a terrible writer, but important, nonetheless.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 12:27:22 PM EST
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I've been staring at this for a while, trying to figure out what is wrong with it. It's the acceptance that "Globalism" is something new. It's not. It's the same justification for selfishness that has existed for hundreds of years. A new coat of paint, sure. But nothing else new.

It is simply a way of justifying grabbing wealth for oneself. Dress it up as being the best thing for everyone in the long run and you can assuage your conscience. It's absolution for the rich. Everyone wants to feel moral: free-market fundamentalism  allows them to.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 10:51:17 AM EST
It is simply a way of justifying grabbing wealth for oneself. Dress it up as being the best thing for everyone in the long run and you can assuage your conscience. It's absolution for the rich. Everyone wants to feel moral: free-market fundamentalism  allows them to.

I've been reading Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

You should read it, basically the premise is that what is dressed up as development aid is actually the creation of unsustainable levels of debt that compromise the soverignity of devloping nations.  A more subtle form of empire for sure, but even in the 1860's Mexican debt defaults lead to the enthronement of Maximillian, an Austrian on the throne of Mexico.

The hostility to Chavez from the United States is growing, because he helped Argentina pay off its debts to the IMF and World Bank.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 11:50:01 AM EST
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But Colman if you read all of Saul's article, you'll find he says very nearly that:

These theoretically new economic ideas were now scarcely recognisable as the simplistic economic arguments of pre-1929. The religious fervour had been blended with sparkling waves of new technology and with masses of microeconomic data, all presented as fact. Relaunched in this way, as three in one, one in three, the old ideas seemed new.

Caught up as the liberal elites were in the instrumental rationality of program management, they responded to this attack with superior, stolid and unimaginative rejection. Instead of speaking out for the public good, they defended administrative structures. The effect was to make tired and discredited market arguments seem young, agile and modern.

Now he doesn't dot the last I and tell us that the theories of the 1920's were elite-centred theories in the service of wealth concentration and a self-appointed "gilded aristocracy".  But I think he assumes that we understand this...

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:16:42 PM EST
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Missed that bit. Put it down to the fever. But scarcely recognisable only if you had no knowledge of economic history. Oh.

I don't like calling them "elite-centered" either. Obscures the point. They're an excuse for selfishness, nothing else.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:23:31 PM EST
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Wikipedia: Quotes by John K. Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:29:53 PM EST
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Yup.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 01:33:05 PM EST
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It took me all day to get round to reading Saul's article, but I'm dang glad I did. I don't know if he's completely right about everything, but it's a refreshing sweep over the last half-century, and it pulls together threads I've been tugging at separately, and builds a new picture I'm very pleased to paste up on my mental wall.

Doubts? The question flagged above, (in different ways by François and DoDo), whether the marketistas will really give up, and whether the nation state will prove strong enough to beat the transnationals...

And some of his assumptions re nations and nationalism. The growth of "tribal" feeling, "this resurgence of nationalism, religious extremism, revanchism, ethnic separatism", to what extent is it linked to loss of faith in national governments and political personnel -- one religion taking the other's place? (I'm thinking of "small" nationalism, regionalism, etc). To what extent are such "identity" memes linked to challenges to traditional roles and powers (perceived threat to paternal authority, parental authority?) But globalisation has surely contributed to creating uncertainty in these areas, for inhabitants of richer and poorer countries alike.

Where he scores a point is, I think, when he speaks of resources and real people being in real places called countries. Most of globalisation's vaunted wealth-creating dynamism boils down to getting into countries to eat up resources and exploit people. Bring on the locusts...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 05:21:27 PM EST
great reading, thanks folks.

i was listening to Prabhu Guptara, a consultant to UBS, on the APM speaking of faith podcast, entitled 'the gods of business'.

in it he discusses the remarkable gap between the ethics as preached by religion, and the scurrilous departure from said ethics when it comes to boardroom decision-making.

the warped but consistent parallel between professed morality and totally unscrupulous behaviour.

in it he makes an interesting reference: apparently the abrahamic faiths are the inventors-sustainers of world capitalism, and at a certain historical point the jews and christians decided that time was money, and that the age-old art of haggling wasted precious resources.

 this led to the idea of a 'fair price' for things, and instead of people pricing things 300% higher than what they wanted and slowly working down from there, people could get on with the job better by keeping the bargaining down to a minimum.

please listen to it if the subject appeals, as i am mangling what he said.

he's a hindu, btw, and he said the issue had been troubling him since the age of 6.

he was born into a moneylending caste that charged 3600% for loans to the very poor, and he acknowledged his family had been systematically ruining peoples' lives for generations, while being happily endorsed by his local priests and temple.

he's a bit glib at times, but i admire his gig, getting paid well to lecture to bankers on how to clean up their p.r. is a nice way to ju-jitsu the market!

it's often interesting to listen to techniques for massaging the camel through the needle's eye, either as a student of propaganda, (if you spin a circle hard enough, it will turn into a square!), or in hope for a humanistically conscious paul hawken approach to capitalism to emerge out of the rubble of globalism.

in a new 'enlightened' capitalism, planned obsolescence would be the capital crime, and no business decisions would ever be made that led to lowering quality of life for anyone, period.

globalism is an attempt by corporations to outrun the consequences of their actions by being so huge and monopolistic that governments do not dare to cross or thwart them, for fear of the company offshoring faster and cutting into their  tax base.

not that the ceo's pay their share, but all those taxes harvested on the little people and the goods and services their untaxed income is further taxed with.

there is a series on bbc prime that has become my favourite: Judge john deed.

has anyone seen it?

there are some interesting subplots involving governmental pressure on the judiciary to kid-glove corporate machinations and muffle justice, such as the one concerning the mobile phone companies and health liabilities, in play against the staggering numbers gordon brown managed to get for the government for the airwaves.

good acting too.

personally i'm hoping for a global consciousness raising through free mass communication, leading to an informed populus, increasingly engaged in politics, and too huge and peaceful for any fascist governments to repress through force, with the world media watching, and millions of instant historians wielding solar powered videocams to shame and expose the thugs.

blogs are key to educate us...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Mar 18th, 2006 at 03:37:18 AM EST
This guy needs to read a history book. What was the Neolithic era trade in stone tools if not "globalism" (to the extent transporataion allowed it)? What was the trans-Asiatic spice trade? The African salt trade? The coastal shipping trade--global in scale from very early on? The Dutch system in the 1500s?

And what is anti-globalism but a modern version of mercantilism?

This debate has been going on since the beginning of time.

by asdf on Sat Mar 18th, 2006 at 09:45:39 AM EST


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