Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.

France is fantastic by Time Magazine

by Agnes a Paris Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 06:56:38 AM EST

I thought this would be good material for Jérôme to deconstruct, and am only quoting the most interesting bites of this Time Magazine article, written by their Paris correspondent PETER GUMBEL.
see link
This is the best description of the French pysche ever made since Theodor Zeldin's books.


France is spectacularly good at saying non. Naysayers are often fêted in heroic, Joan-of-Arc terms; when the student demonstrations exploded in March, Paris Match ran a thrilling cover photo of two young people locked in a dance-floor embrace in front of a cordon of riot police.
But behind the scenes, more quietly and with no discernible romance, France can and does also say oui.

For every rock-throwing protester posing for TV cameras outside the Sorbonne, there is a polished technocrat in an anonymous office patiently pushing the modernization envelope.
The changes those technocrats can institute are limited, less sweeping in scope and slower to take effect than grandiose political programs, but they're often more effective. They underline the truth that France is a prosperous nation whose public services are often superb and whose private companies are frequently world-beaters. And they undermine the international cliché -- a cliché the French themselves like to propagate -- that France is impossible to change.

This is groundbreaking news. Technocrats are good ! It is known abroad that France is not totally immune to change and even, yes, France may be capable of modernity !

Display:
good snarking article!  ("Even the French...blah, blah, blah...)

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 07:10:53 AM EST
It says that the French are "reforming", even when they are trying not to.
So "reforms" are victorious is what the article says, and France is not doing so badly only because it is actually "reforming" despite its antics.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 08:42:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's the reason I thought the article was worth deconstructing. The following quote sheds an interesting light :

In Germany and Scandinavia, change happens after considered debate and lengthy analysis. In France, by contrast, it tends to be convulsive and born of conflict: one violent leap backward followed by two surreptitious steps forward. It's Houdini, not Thatcher.

So far, history proved the author right.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 10:01:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"In Germany and Scandinavia, change happens after considered debate and lengthy analysis."

Yeah, very much like the change from the Kaiserreich to the Weimarer Republik in 1918, with the Kaiser kicked out of the country overnight, the creation of the anarchist State government in Munich, the  workers and soldiers councils in Hamburg and Kiel, the resistance against the occupation of the Ruhr, the sudden loss of the Saar, Eupen-Malmedy, Upper Silesia, Danzig etc., or like the Nazi grip of power after the 1933 elections, or the division of Germany into four Allied Forces Sectors after 1945, or the ethnic cleansing of 13 mio people from the annexed eastern states (West and East Prussia, Pommerania, Silesia) and their "spontaneous" integration in West-Germany, the split of the country in 1949, the unannounced building of the Wall in 1961, or the unexpected fall of it due to the mass demonstrations in 1989.

It all happened after lengthy debates and thourough analyses.

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 12:14:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
My guess is that the author's culture as it comes to history beyond the last 30 years is edging towards nil. There are clichés about France, why should there not be any about Germany ?
For what I know, the French typically consider the German as organised to the point of awkward meticulousness, well-ordered in their thoughts and acts and incapable of fantasy.
As to the latter characteristic, not many a Frenchman has ever read more than two lines of Goethe, not to mention Schiller.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 12:49:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And, obviously, French people do not talk philosophy, psychology, sociology, anthropology or listen to music. "Opera" is a foreign word to them, too?

Lieder?

The French also despise art museums and cannot relate to architecture. Bauhaus? Cinema is entirely American. Marlene Dietrich, Romy Schneider, Klaus and Natascha Kinsky are absolutely unknown. Fritz Lang, Murnau, Bill Wilder and Wim Winders, Herzog etc. - never been heard of. Dance...Pia Bausch, who is that?! Joseph Beuys?! Who would read Peter Handke or vote for Daniel Cohn-Bendit? The French "loony" left never read Karl Marx, pacifists are unaware of Albert Einstein. Nietzsche?

Herzog and Kinsky on the film set of "Aguirre".



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 01:21:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
France and Germany aren't even neighbours nor do they have 50 years of common history as the engines of European integration.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 01:23:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
wait, wait, this is over generalisation. And the journalist's name did not sound French or German. A conspiracy against Continental Europe, again ? :)

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 04:28:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 Ritter,

 Danke! und touché!

  When reading TIME magazine--never a good idea, by the way--the reader must keep in mind that it is a humor magazine.  Every few decades, I find a stray copy lying, abandoned, and I pick it up and leaf through it for laughs.

  The other essential thing for a TIME reader to bear in mind is that in writing a remark such as,

  "In Germany and Scandinavia, change happens after considered debate and lengthy analysis."

 what's meant is

 "In Germany and Scandinavia this week--that is, as long ago as I am able to recall-- change happens after considered debate and lengthy analysis."

  TIME is written by people who cannot remember beyond last week, for people who cannot remember beyond last week.  But I may be biased, of course.

  Your milage may vary.

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 02:04:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"TIME is written by people who cannot remember beyond last week, for people who cannot remember beyond last week."

You're right. And let me add that they write for an audience with a "pro-active" attention span of not more than three months into the future. They call it (I think) "QY1", "QY2"..."QY4". It is focused versus the announcement of the quarterly profit expectations of global corporations (BY ANALYSTS!!) and what effect it will have on the shareholder value.

Btw: Things are totally different however when it comes to TIME magazine's interest to sell you their rag. Then they plan far into the future. I once took up their offer to receive some gratis editions of their mag for a period of three months.

After that I declined to become an abonnee.

They sent me however a bill. They tried hard to fool me. After four years I still keep getting their letters: It is ALL gratis, buy two and receive five and win an extra  FREE three days trip to Europe!

You know what? I live in Europe!  

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 02:48:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 
You know what? I live in Europe!  

  Hence the offer of the free "trip" !

  Those TIME marketing geniuses, they went to business school!  Clever devils!

  ;^)

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge

by proximity1 on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 11:45:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh thank you proximity1. That is what I meant when I wrote my first answer to Ritter. Good you turned it the right way to make the point properly. Perhaps if I put together my bits of French and English and German I would manage to make myself understood, at last.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 04:30:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The workings of the national budget have just been revamped; a new law requires government ministries to justify every item of their spending.
The French are some five years behind Britain and Sweden with such measures, but they hope to learn from others' mistakes.

If they can, the new system could put an end to reckless French government spending that has led to a fivefold increase in the national debt to €1.1 trillion over the past 25 years. "It signals a big shakeup," says Jean-Raphael Alventosa, a budget expert at the Cour des Comptes, the national accounting office, which will get more clout.



When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 10:05:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"The workings of the national budget have just been revamped; a new law requires government ministries to justify every item of their spending.
The French are some five years behind Britain and Sweden with such measures, but they hope to learn from others' mistakes."

If the UK government started to spend an additional sum of 6 bn Euros p.a. on their decrepit National Health Service and sustained this effort for 25 years their patients would enjoy in 2031 the same services as do their European counterparts on the continent in 2006.

It would not yet be comparable to what people can expect today in Germany and France, but it would at l(e)ast meet the AVERAGE conditions of the EU Member States.

Mind you that in 25 years time the European AVERAGE will be higher as it is now and Germany, Austria, France, The Netherlands, Belgium and the Scandinavian countries' NHS systems will have further progressed, too.

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 12:32:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
As far as healthcare provision concerned, it is a subject I am a little familiar with for business purposes. Strangely enough, whilst the UK is attempting to reform with France quoted as model, France is slowly but surely moving towards a scheme inspired by the US and the UK as a way out of the deficit abyss.
I posted a couple of diaries on the subject last year, let me know whether you are interested in the links.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 01:02:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
UK NHS hospital ward in 2006:

German NHS hospital rooms

For adults

For kids



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 01:36:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just today in the London press: despite the fact that the NHS is shortstaffed, graduating UK nurses cannot find work in the NHS because new recruitment has been frozen as a result of budget cuts.

Mismanagement all around.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 01:39:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I saw that. Shook head, moved on. Couldn't quite process it.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 01:41:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There was a much heralded quote of a GP's top salary last week in the British press. Have you seen it ?Interesting.
The British NHS would really be worth a diary. Indeed, France claims that more budgetary discipline, like in the UK, and the DRG system, like in the US, is key to the survival of the French Healthcare system.
I spent 5 months last year meeting public and private hospital directors, members of governmental think tanks and economists, who all were strong believers that the French NHS was doomed the way it was operating before the 2005 reform inception, and praising the efficiency of the new system that is currently being implemented. I was and remain quite puzzled...

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 04:41:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I did see it: £250,000 a year.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 04:50:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
there is something rotten in Denmark. This is higher than a trader's base salary <snark> Fortunately, trades can win themselves bonuses out of currency flops, while GPs need to keep their patients alive. I know, dubious humour. I'm not very good at being sarcastic.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 04:55:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Budgetary discipline is just another word for cutting down on essential costs. It means: Fire your local cleaning staff which ise working on regular contracts (and sending their kids to grammar school and university) and bring in a crew of minimum wage laborers from Latvia who do five times the amount of sq meters in half of the time without pauses, on minimum wages and with just one kind of disinfectant/detergent to do the job. That's the UK model.

Here is my proposal to combat this shit:

Set up regional liaison centres that keep track of the available spare capacities in French and German hospitals and offer medical services to the county co-ordination agencies of the decrepit NHS system in the UK. Form a handfull of FrancoAllemand Technical Assistance and Information Exchange Companies which implement the programme. Create consortia between them and regional hospitals, travel agencies in France and Germany. Conquer the UK health care market with better services in areas which cannot be covered because of their incapacity to deliver goods and services. Charge the UK NHS with the costs as stipulated by our insurance companies and clinics. Give UK citizens a chance to enjoy the benefits of our health care system. Abolish thus the shocking waiting lists system in the UK and internationalize the services of our clinics and hospitals in France and Germany.

Show that we care for our fellow European neighbours AND earn money.

Everybody is welcome!

German hospital Königstein:



"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 06:34:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here are some video clips of a German Knappschafts Klinik, or to say it in English: a NHS hospital for workers organized in corporation based (but not only) insurances like coal miners, steel workers, dockers, auto workers etc.. It is specialized in cancer and pain treatment.

http://www.roemerberg-klinik.de/coremedia/generator/kbsportal/de/medizinisches__netz/2__reha-klinike n/badenweiler/ueber_uns/videoclip/videobadenweiler1,N=12136-9900-9678-20606-20270-20346,propert y=HighResolution.wmv

http://www.roemerberg-klinik.de/coremedia/generator/kbsportal/de/medizinisches__netz/2__reha-klinike n/badenweiler/ueberuns/videoclip/videobadenweiler2,N=12136-9900-9678-20606-20270-20346,propert y=HighResolution.wmv

http://www.roemerberg-klinik.de/coremedia/generator/kbsportal/de/medizinisches__netz/2__reha-klinike n/badenweiler/ueberuns/videoclip/videobadenweiler3,N=12136-9900-9678-20606-20270-20346,propert y=HighResolution.wmv

http://www.roemerberg-klinik.de/coremedia/generator/kbsportal/de/medizinisches__netz/2__reha-klinike n/badenweiler/ueberuns/videoclip/videobadenweiler4,N=12136-9900-9678-20606-20270-20346,propert y=HighResolution.wmv

http://www.roemerberg-klinik.de/coremedia/generator/kbsportal/de/medizinisches__netz/2__reha-klinike n/badenweiler/ueberuns/videoclip/videobadenweiler5,N=12136-9900-9678-20606-20270-20346,propert y=HighResolution.wmv

http://www.roemerberg-klinik.de/coremedia/generator/kbsportal/de/medizinisches__netz/2__reha-klinike n/badenweiler/ueberuns/videoclip/videobadenweiler6,N=12136-9900-9678-20606-20270-20346,propert y=HighResolution.wmv

http://www.roemerberg-klinik.de/coremedia/generator/kbsportal/de/medizinisches__netz/2__reha-klinike n/badenweiler/ueberuns/videoclip/videobadenweiler_7,N=12136-9900-9678-20606-20270-20346,propert y=HighResolution.wmv

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 07:38:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Can we, as part of our manifesto here on ET, change the word "reform" to "policies enacted by governments in power, which individually or collectively may or may not be good ideas"?
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 10:37:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I fullly support this reformist proposal ;)

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 11:12:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sometimes, reform is needed. 29 suppliers for chicken to one hospital sounds absurd to me, if true. (An example from the Time article.) It depends on what kind of reform...
by Nomad (Bjinse) on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 04:01:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's absolutely true, but in the case of the suppliers for chicken, I would prefer the terms "centralisation", "reorganisation" (just quick examples off the top of my head) ... as "reform" carries a certain amount of prejudice (ie. by hinting on its own that whatever came before was wrong).
by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 08:59:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not one hospital, Nomad, the entire network of Paris hospitals, "the biggest in Europe with 38 hospitals. It treats more than 1 million patients per year and employs 90,000 people."

Should we be centralizing buying of foodstuffs so we are not putting suppliers in competition? Should we be dealing with a couple of very big industrial suppliers? Will patients eat better food as a result?

Just a few questions there, I'm not saying I have all the answers. As to Gumbel's article, it's such a high-flown example of meretricious spin and bullshit that it deserves... Well, sometimes I wish I had the paper version, if you see what I mean...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 09:34:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You're absolutely right in that. Interestingly, if you read the piece hastily (as I did, since the tone of it quickly galled my hopes on a more constructive report), it doesn't read like that at all. Two disconnected facts presented in one column. Well caught.

Although I do not object at all to competition in food suppliers, 29 different suppliers is in my book overdoing it - even for 38 hospitals. Except in those cases where the supply companies are mostly small-scale, delivering locally procuded foodware, which I doubt somewhat. Cutting costs by centralising food supply doesn't need to be wrong per se. When it can be done properly, without loss of quality and frees up money which can be invested in better healthcare or personal - I'm all for it.

Now a question back: To your knowledge, is there such a thing as a large food supplier working with biologically produced, local farms and delivering products of those farms to (local) customers located around those farms?

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 01:13:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
As you cleverly guessed in advance, I have no knowledge of any such set-up. I don't quite get the business plan..! If you mean : since I know you're in favour of quality food production sold as locally as possible, how would you supply a huge hospital group? my answer would be : sounds difficult, but all the same, the hospitals buyer must do her/is best to get quality food and not to concentrate too much on one supplier...

My point wasn't to say that, from the outside and without the actual data, we could know what the optimal buying policy should be. It was to say the point was thrown at us like powder in the eyes, as the French say. Does Gumbel actually show that 29 suppliers was significantly costing more money? No. He's just insinuating. Oh, there were 208 blood labs! (OK, reduction/concentration may well have cut costs, but it would have been better if he'd said so and said how much a year). Oh, 29 chicken suppliers! (Same remark).

In fact, this is part of an overall tactic in his article of talking about plethora. Woah, you guys, you realize they have 99 of everything? How can that be efficient? Obviously all this mess needs cleaning up...

Just, once again, a way of selling "necessary reform" without stating exactly what is wrong, exactly what is proposed, and exactly how that would fix it.

And -- not one minute -- who really wants to fool people into "needed reforms" and why.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 03:27:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Shame on me. BTW, the Dutch equivalent for throwing powder in the eyes is "to throw sand in one's eyes".

Good deconstruction points. You're completely right that touching upon a plethora of services is not a direct argument for reform, but perhaps in Gumbel's world it is. There's no insight in financial numbers.

Finally: since I know you're in favour of quality food production sold as locally as possible, how would you supply a huge hospital group? my answer would be : sounds difficult, but all the same, the hospitals buyer must do her/is best to get quality food and not to concentrate too much on one supplier...

Exactly the question. You know, when I walked the dog today, I may suggest that the hunger for scale enlargement may again be at the heart of it. The distribution from chickens (or pigs) is really not hard: you transport the chikens to the butcher and from there they can be distributed directly to the hospital. It's just that if you do this locally, costs per chicken increases. That's it. Now, if only we could increase transporation costs to make local, small scale distribution/butcher complexes more attractive again... Let's get 29 distribution centres with the best chicken meat from local farmers to ill people. I'm all for it. Perhaps we should contact Jamie Oliver...

(Is there a diary on how much miles a dead chicken currently makes before it ends up in a pot?)

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Fri Apr 28th, 2006 at 09:06:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Argh. No proofread. The walking the dog bit now reads strange. It is meant to say that this thought occurred to me when I walked with the dog - I get most of my better ideas either under the shower or when I'm walking the dog...
by Nomad (Bjinse) on Fri Apr 28th, 2006 at 09:08:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is there a diary on how much miles a dead chicken currently makes before it ends up in a pot?

The dead chickens I see could walk it. But no, I don't have data, only anecdote.

The chicken distribution problem: the only certain added costs from having a certain number of suppliers seem to me to be administrative/accounting costs. These would be reduced by doing away with competition, but the price might then go up.

If you strike a cheap deal with a mono-supplier far away, he will recoup transport costs in product quality. (And we don't want long-distance transport for  environmental reasons).

Anyway, we want a change in hospital attitudes to food. Sick people need good food.

So, logically, we should be looking for best-quality suppliers as close as possible, and in sufficent number for there to be some reasonable competition. 29 suppliers for 38 hospitals may seem like a lot, but some of them may be stop-gap suppliers used every now and again. Agreed the number could be reduced, and the buying centralized, but not to the point of according a quasi-monopoly.

I understood about the dog. Woof!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Apr 28th, 2006 at 05:10:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
this definitely is a snarking article beneath a very tiny layer of praise.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 10:02:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
americans have to constantly remind themselves that we are the old, tired europe, the one they couldn't wait to leave to create the bold new updated model....yawn

now the religious intolerance they ran from has been reborn chez eux, as do all human problems we try to outrun!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 02:36:22 PM EST
"Now the religious intolerance they ran from has been reborn chez eux."

This is another one of the BIG All - American Myths - and NOT true.

The so called first settlers, the Pilgrim Fathers, were English Puritans who had first emigrated to Holland (Leiden and Haarlem) where they stayed for twenty years, but became convinced that it was time to move to some other place, because they were afraid that the "liberal" religious climate (zuilen maatschappij) in The Netherlands could have affected negatively the dogmatic religious up-bringing of their children.

So, they asked for a royal patent and more specifically to be granted the right as a group by Her Majesty the Queen of England to emigrate and settle in America.

The first American settlers left Holland via England NOT because they were oppressed, but because they feared for the souls of their kids - that these poor infants might become corrupted by "liberal" ideas.

It was a good choice.

Once in America they created a Taliban community and persecuted all the new comers to their shores (okay, also the Indians) starting with the Quakers - who came directly from England.

What happened to them, anyway? Any news? It's a long time that they left us.

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819

by Ritter on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 03:15:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
who's 'they'? the quakers?

thanks for the education...

i stand corrected, love to have myths busted!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 08:59:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
who's 'they'? the quakers?

thanks for the education...

i stand corrected, love to have myths busted!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 09:01:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
ah, those polished technocrats secretly working for the salvation of la belle France -- the new maquis!  let us write some songs about them...

the analysis of TIME (was ever a magazine so inaptly or perhaps ironically named) is painfully accurate.  and it passes for highbrow, or at least mezzobrow, in the US, heaven help us.

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...

by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 05:03:10 PM EST
It seems that some of them are working secretly indeed. Justification of many French technocrats performing a task inaptly called work is merely to acknowledge their existence.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 05:39:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, that's unfortunately true..if you read Time magazine or subscribe to it here in the US you're considered an 'intellectual'...agree, heaven help us.

I used to subscribe myself but after Ann Coulter was on the cover I let my subscription lapse.(and no IQ points were lost at all-that I'm aware of). However I kept getting bills for almost 200 dollars-the explanation finally given was that even though I wasn't receiving any more magazines because I had not formally notified them of my non-renewal I still owed them money for magazines I wasn't getting...yeah good corporate thinking there and made me even more sure I didn't need to renew subscription.

Now I just recently received a special offer..oh goody that said because I was a senior(and how did they know that?)they would give me a discount-now this will show what kind of mark-up there must be on magazines.  Cover price is 205.40 and I was going to get 191.40 off price making my price 14 dollars..how out of whack does that seem.  And not even for their ah wonderful offer will I renew my subscription.

"People never do evil so throughly and happily as when they do it from moral conviction."-Blaise Pascal

by chocolate ink on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 11:23:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Timeout, I don't consider Time to be "highbrow" or "intellectual", nor do I know anyone who does.  I haven't taken Time in 20+ years, and haven't seen it in a friends home since,,,,I can't remember.
by wchurchill on Fri Apr 28th, 2006 at 03:58:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
...know whether the Peter Gumbel with this trackrecord at Time is the same or a different Peter Gumbel as the one working as a Wall Street veteran and reporter for Business.com?

The dates of quiting at Business.com and articles starting at Time are almost side by side. Will the real Peter Gumbel step forward, please?

I like my SourceWatch.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Thu Apr 27th, 2006 at 04:21:07 AM EST


Display:
Go to: [ European Tribune Homepage : Top of page : Top of comments ]