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College - What Next?

by Naneva Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 05:36:08 PM EST

Did you ever wonder what you were going to do when you graduate? Or you knew from the very beginning what your path in life will be?

Some of us are now at the threshold of graduation. And it is getting more scary as the end comes near. The question "What are you going to do now?" comes up often. But clear answers are rarely given.

Please, share your own experience! Do you have passion for what you are doing?
What is your advice to people fresh out of college? What are the Dos and Don'ts?

I have always admired people who know what they want to do in their lives - people who have a passion for something, people who have a direction and a purpose. It seems so much easier when you know where you want to get: you "just" need to find how to get there.

But what if you don't know what you want to do? I guess there are several options here:

1.    Do what you are good at.
Find your field and develop your skills and knowledge in it.
2.    Do what you enjoy.
I believe there is nothing better than enjoying your work. After all, you will be doing it for the most part of the day.
3.    Do what brings money.
You may not enjoy your work, but it may bring good money. A matter of choice. Or you may enjoy your work and get a lot of money. That would be nice.
4.    Do what gives you experience for the future.
Some jobs are just a step you need to take to get somewhere else. Experience from one job may prove very useful even in a very different setting.
5.    Decide whether you want to work day and night or you also want to have a personal life.
Deciding the type of work you want is way to approach the situation. As the cliché goes, some people live to work. Others prefer the other way.
6.    Do something that makes you feel useful.
Work for what you believe in. Make your contribution.

This list may go on and on...

And all these choices come over your head... An internship position? Part-time? Full-time job? At home? Abroad? Go travel for a year first? Get straight down to serious work? Priorities? Which field? Government or private? NGO or MNC? Big corporation or your own enterprise? Follow what your parents say? Or look for your own thing?

How did you decide your path?

It is true that today the working place is much more flexible than before. People often change jobs, even careers. I guess there is no best option in choosing your track.

But there should be something that drives people one way or another. The priorities of the day, the financial side, the love of an activity, self-actualization (using Maslow's term), the desire to make a difference?

What is it in your case? What are you doing? Do you enjoy it? Would you recommend it? How did you get there?

Your comments will be much appreciated!

You must ask youself a series of questions:

Is it the money or is it the meaning?
Is it for me or everybody I love?
Can I do this for 5 years?
What is the point?
How can I be happy without hurting anyone else?
Is knowledge, on it's own, valuable?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 06:28:21 PM EST
Thank you for this comment! All true..

How was it with you when you graduated?

-- Fighting my own apathy..

by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 06:36:00 PM EST
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I got an MA (Film) at the RCA London in '68.

We got our cloaks and a Magister's hat in the wings - ran across stage in the Gulbenkien Hall. had our hats and cloaks removed on the other side - and Bob's your uncle, we were God's gift to the world.....

simple really.....

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 07:11:12 PM EST
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Not ONCE in almost 40 years in media have I ever shown my 'diploma' to anyone. Or promoted it. It is however included factually in my CV.

On the other hand I don't regret a minute of it

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 07:17:55 PM EST
I didn't decide my path. It was sort of agreed on in my family that I would go into business. I was sent to the States by my family, so the choice was theirs as much as it was mine. At that point in life, I had different goals than I do now. Back then, all I thought about was settling in a developed country where I would have a future.
Now that I know I have a future, I want to think about contributing to something in a positive way either as a management consultant for business and corporate ethics and responsibility, or sustainable development, or doing something else (i.e. teaching). Had I known back 10 years ago what my life choices would be today, maybe I would have chosen a different path. The issue is, however, that sometimes you don't know what you want to do in life unless you gain valuable experience in other fields by doing something you don't like. It could be hard and frustrating sometimes, but wrong choices in college don't necessarily amount to wrong choices in life.

Mikhail from SF
by Tsarrio (dj_tsar@yahoo.com) on Tue Apr 4th, 2006 at 08:26:07 PM EST
This is all so true. In college, one does get to see things from a different perspective. Once you start studying something, you are better able to see its good and bad sides.

What you plan to do sounds interesting. I wonder what makes you want go to Europe now? Is it your job or something else?

-- Fighting my own apathy..

by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 04:25:00 AM EST
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It's many things to be honest. For one, I want to be closer to my family. At the same time, going back to Russia right now seems a bit futile for me. I would be expected to work in the family business, which I do not want particular. Another big thing for me is the overall society and the way of life. I find the European way of life and mentality much closer to me.  Last, but not least, is the fact that consulting jobs typically tend to be long-term in Europe vs. very short-term in the States. This is at least what I have been hearing from many professionals in the field.

Where are you located?

Mikhail from SF

by Tsarrio (dj_tsar@yahoo.com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 01:36:32 PM EST
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Thank you! I think I understand what you mean.

Currently, I am in Bulgaria. And for now I think that this is where I want to live..

-- Fighting my own apathy..

by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 07:24:19 PM EST
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A great thing to do after college is to continue at the next level and go to grad school! Not only does a semester at school equate to years of work experience, it is also so much more fun.

I think most jobs fall in multiple categories in your list - for example, I don't think you could be good at something without enjoying it; and most likely if you are good at it and enjoying it, you would be recognized and you would feel useful too. It is easier than it sounds!

Try not to spend too much time in any single job. Challenge yourself often and be honest in your assessment. Are you still excited to get up in the morning and go to work? Are you growing? Do not pick a work that you can just comfortably do. Pick something that puts your abilities to test, yet, do not burn yourself out by sacrificing your a personal life. Never work just for the money.

by yavor (yavora@hotmail.com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 04:00:19 AM EST
Yavor, thanks a lot for this comment! I will try to follow what you say in your last paragraph. It is all very true. And good challenges are always very inspiring.

-- Fighting my own apathy..
by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 06:29:51 AM EST
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Do you feel challenged in a good way at your job? Are you excited about it?

The thing with me is: once I got something that I really wanted, it starts to look not that great anymore. And I start searching for something else.

-- Fighting my own apathy..

by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 07:19:03 AM EST
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On your second point, give yourself ample time before changing your focus, otherwise you'll make nothing of anything.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 06:25:30 PM EST
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Reading the comments here, I have the feeling something is missing. Some of my experiences :
  • Unable to get a decent job because of beeing on a 'black list' of 'troublemakers'. That was right after school, had been student-leader in the years 1968-1970.
  • Beeing thrown of a job because of beeing a candidate in the elections (for the greens!)
  • Denyed promotion because of defending co-workers rights.....
If there is a conflict on the job, what side do you choose? I'v seen a lot of cowards....

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 06:56:45 AM EST
I know what you mean.. Though on a smaller scale. In high school, defending a student that was being examined.. And then finding myself being examined in front of the blackboard.

Who threw you out of job because of being a candidate for the Greens? That amounts to pure disrimination.

And what do you do for a living at the moment? Do you enjoy it?

-- Fighting my own apathy..

by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 07:16:45 AM EST
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Wow.  That's stunning, Elco.  I suppose I could imagine that happening, but not in Europe or America.  Being a Democrat is, I've heard, frowned upon in, for example, finance jobs, but I've never heard of an employer taking that sort of action.  The lawsuits, alone, would be enough to deter the employer.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:02:45 AM EST
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A typical thing to do is to study Philosophy, then change your mind and study Advanced Physics, then graduate, then find a job as a Copyright Contract Writer or something similar (ie. a job that has nothing to do with what you studied, and which you don't really like nor really dislike) ... then when you reach 30, decide that all you've ever wanted to do was be a Furniture Designer, then enrol for night lessons at university on Furniture Design, then have kids and put all your plans on hold, but then fortunately your partner has a promotion and now earns big bucks which gives you a chance to finally change your life, but by then you'll have realized you're not really into Furniture Design but into Advertising, and before you know it you're 60 years old and ready to enjoy retirement, during which you'll finally have all the time in the world to become an expert on Ancient Mesopotamia, which is really all you've really ever wanted to be.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 03:06:07 PM EST
There is nothing wrong in having a great variety of interest, but you are right that a man should rather narrow his/her field of professional interests. Mine are different but connected to each other and the knowledge of one can easily be transferred to the others.

I'm not ugly,but my beauty is a total creation.Hegel
by Chris on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 01:23:35 PM EST
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Well, you could act like me: Graduate and apply to grad school, without realizing that no company in its right mind will hire you for a serious entry-level job prior to your departure, since it's a guarantee that you'll be a couple of thousand miles away come Summer.  (And you don't want to lie by telling an employer that you won't be leaving, because it could result in a poor recommendation.)  So you're left essentially sitting on your rear end for eight or nine months.

Ah, well, life goes on.

I chose my path -- academic economics -- because of Paul Krugman and John Maynard Keynes.  I eat up anything and everything that they write and have written.  An entirely new world was opened to me.  My friends all find them -- especially Keynes -- boring.  My fiancee can't even understand Keynes's writing, because of the heavy Britishness.  My (admittedly few) conservative friends hate them both, of course, but we still have a great time talking about the ideas.

I love it.  I wake up in the morning and think, "Hey, this stuff is great!  I've got an endless amount of material that I can talk about, think about, debate about, and so on."  It will never pay an enormous salary, especially if we stay in Britain.  The money's much better in American and Canadian academia, and I would easily be able to make more money working in the private sector in London or New York.  I was even offered a job in Atlanta that paid more at the entry level than some academics will ever make.  But it's enjoyable.  Plus, it's giving me the opportunity to travel while I'm young, and few get such an opportunity, so I count my blessings.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 06:06:27 PM EST
Since I was about 10 [only a slight exaggeration] until I was about 28 I applied myself pretty single-mindedly to pursuing an academic career in mathematical physics. Problem was, by the time I got to the dissertation-writing stage I realized that
  1. My students did not like me and the feeling was mutual [though I enjoyed explaining thinks to interested students, and they appreciated it]
  2. I was not able to meet my own standards of research quality [I was too sick of spending hours in the library digging up often-quoted references to find they were drivel, to go on and contribute more hay to the haystack]
  3. I wanted to have a life, and to know about everything
In other words, I did not have the necessary "unreasonable optimism about my own research" [in the words of my advisor] to succeed in academic research, nor the patience [as a professor once warned me in 1999!] to endure teaching, nor the ability/inclination to focus single-mindedly on a narrow area.

On the other hand, I don't regret obtaining two undergraduate degrees and a Ph.D. in an esoteric subject. In hindsight, I educated myself as much as I could and [ultimately] had patience for, for the sake of education and self-enlightenment and not for job prospects. Then I transitioned to the private sector relatively painlessly and have a great job.

I did not shy away from going half a world away in pursuit of my academic career, nor to move into a new city and country, with few local contacts, in pursuit of a career in the private sector.


  1. educate yourself to the fullest for the sake of self-development
  2. don't be afraid to change orientation (I have done it twice at a 5-year interval) but give yourself ample time to settle before considering whether you've made the right choice (again, 5 years seems fair)
  3. be bold and ambitious
  4. identify your strengths and weaknesses and try to make the best of them [recognize that what you find most interesting may be what you find challenging, not what you find easy, and you're better off working on what comes naturally to you]

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 06:24:30 PM EST
Your account is both encouraging and daunting to me because I find myself in a very similar situation as you've been in during your dissertation, only I'm not the bold, "novelty seeking" type. Up to this point (I want to start my PhD soon) I never had the slightest doubt about becoming a researcher in life sciences, it's the only thing that I would love doing the rest of my life. But in the meantime I got some insights into the lives of successful scientists and I'm not sure I can see myself in their shoes. Although life sciences fascinate me more than anything else I'm not single-mindedly focused only on that subject, willing to invest 14 hours per day, but want to know so many other things, learn languages, express myself artistically AND have time for the people around me and for myself.

So I've taken a break to do some things I've been wanting to do for ages and to do some thinking, and it seems to me that was a very good idea. If you feel rushed and don't know what you want to do, Naneva, I'd recommend taking a break or doing something not related to your field that allows you to think it all over. I obviously don't know from experience, but I expect that once you're in a job and may even have a family you cannot afford to stop and think for more than a few days.

As for what comes after thinking, I'll try to learn from the more experienced people here ;)

by Wolke on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 03:35:02 PM EST
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I am graduating this semester too and I am facing the same questions. And honestly, every time I try to find the answers I get really confused. However, I have figured one thing out--you can't plan everything. I think the best decision is to just let things happen and be open to any possibility...and follow your intuition.
by ccarc on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 09:25:03 PM EST
Up to now good opportunities have always come to me in this way. Out of nowhere, suddenly. Hopefully, they will continue flowing. :) But I guess we also need to do something in order to help them come our way.

-- Fighting my own apathy..
by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 02:07:39 AM EST
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Most American graduates try to find a job that pays enough to cover the rent...not easy if you pursued a degree in anything other than marketing or engineering.
by asdf on Wed Apr 5th, 2006 at 11:11:28 PM EST
Actually, accounting seems to be the great starting point, paywise -- easily into the mid-five-figure range at the entry level, in many cases.  (Engineering is great, though.)  I thought about accounting very briefly and quickly decided that it was the most painfully boring field I had ever come into contact with.

Finance seems to be in high demand these days, as well, though obviously more so in huge financial centers like NYC and London.  (Once you get outside of those two, Americans are going to be largely lost, due to language constraints.)  Not many people seem to take on a major in it.  Most students in the "money majors" seem to go into econ., business, or accounting.

Criminology and urban planning seem to be good starting points, too, if you can find openings with state governments.  Those were the fields two of our friends went into, and it seems to have worked out well.  Decent starting pay, and they enjoy it.  I jokingly said to them, once they found the jobs, "Hey!  Now you can actually afford to live in Atlanta!"

I did have to prevent myself from laughing at a few of my classmates who were pursuing degrees in (say) English Literature and not planning to teach or pursue a higher-level degree.  English Lit. may be interesting, but it's not going to keep the lights turned on.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 12:40:23 AM EST
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I happen to share your opinion of accounting. Though I have taken two accounting courses (one of mu majors being business admin) and I did good in them. The only thing I liked there was that all the problems are like a puzzle you need to solve. :) But doing this your whole life will be boring indeed.

Finance.. I have taken such courses as well.. The thing with finance.. It's great in the way that you can find ways to make money for some good projects in a different field. But once it gets out of making money for investing in something, it becomes all about money. I don't like this part of it. Live to make money. mm no.

Well, I have not tried any of the criminology and urban planning. Though I do respect engineers of all sorts.

But I have taken courses in international studies (my second major being intl relations/pol science). I wonder what possibilities exist in US state governments for non-US citizens.

I am also wondering what it is to work in the EU bureaucracy machine.

-- Fighting my own apathy..

by Naneva (mnaneva at gmail dot com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 02:19:11 AM EST
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I'm not sure about jobs in government for people who are foreign-born.  Governments can sometimes get a little touchy on that.  I know Britain, for example, won't allow anyone foreign-born to work in sensitive areas like intelligence, but that may well be an exception, obviously, given the nature of the field.  (I thought about trying to go into economic analysis with the spooks for all of about thirty seconds.)

The one thing I found attractive about finance was the opportunity to help people, who don't know a lot about the area, to invest well.  So, in that way, it could be rewarding.  But the work itself simply wasn't something I thought I could stomach for the rest of my working life, despite the obvious advantage of high pay.  I've had a couple of friends go into it, and all have said that it's incredibly stressful, that they have to work very long hours, and so on.  Long hours are fine by me, but not if they eliminate any possibility of having a family or life.

One of my minors was in international affairs.  I didn't even realize I had earned it until the Dean of Social Sciences called me to say that I could accept two minors on top of my two majors instead of simply a double major.  "Yes, of course I want the dual degree, sir."  It was a pleasant surprise.  I considered it my reward for suffering through endless explanations of the same concepts, in every class, in political science.  The only poli. sci. classes I found to be worth a damn were the public policy ones.  I took an environmental policy course that was excellent, and that particular professor even wrote me a letter of recommendation when I really needed one.

Although, I do have to give some credit to my British politics class, since that was what got me interested in Britain, the Westminster Model, and the EU.

The only bureaucratic institution I'd be interested in, if it can even be called a part of the bureaucracy, would be the Federal Reserve.  Or perhaps one of the two other major central banks (England and the ECB).  A few of my old professors worked at the Washington Fed, and another at the one in the Twin Cities in Minnesota.  They all said that they had hated the Fed when they were young, uber-"conservative" (really they meant "libertarian") students, but discovered that the people working there were brilliant, and that the Fed was, in fact, an incredibly efficient institution.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 10:33:27 AM EST
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Although aimless and doing nothing more than getting by at the moment, I do have one bit of advice to offer.

Unless you are absolutely convinced that X is the most fascinating thing in the world and you cannot imagine a life that does not involve the constant study of and thought about X (as Drew Jones says he is about econ, above), DO NOT apply to graduate school in ANY academic or non-professional field.

In my experience, without aforementioned enthusiasm, it is just a waste of time.  Either you will drop out bitter and disillusioned after failing to make adequete progress towards the degree, or realize at the end that you either can't make a real contribution to the field, or just don't want to.  Furthermore, the jobs available never pay enough to be worth doing for the money alone.  And, should you drop out, or choose to do something else that does not involve your degree, there is a fair chance that all the time spent grad school and all the degrees accumulated will count against you in the job market.  Overqualified in general, but specifically qualified in nothing.

I've been lucky since I dropped out, in that the out of nowhere lark I took to escape temp work, teaching English in Japan, has turned out to be quite a bit of fun.  It doesn't pay very well (although compared to my finances in grad school, I feel awfully rich), but it's actually kind of fun.  I know other people who are not managing as well.  It can suck.

by Zwackus on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 05:06:37 AM EST
Unless you are absolutely convinced that X is the most fascinating thing in the world and you cannot imagine a life that does not involve the constant study of and thought about X (as Drew Jones says he is about econ, above), DO NOT apply to graduate school in ANY academic or non-professional field.

That's what I've heard, and it makes a lot of sense.  I've already looked up the reading lists and bought the books for grad school, so as to get a jump on all of the studying, and I can tell that it's going to be a lot of work.  I'm somewhat lucky, in that I took some classes beyond the basic undergraduate program that put me at a more advanced level (grad classes with enough seats left to allow undergrads in), as far as mathematics and statistics are concerned.  (Those classes were also much more fun, because they were all taught by the "rebel professors" -- the Keynesians on a faculty dominated by Supply-Siders and Austrians; they loved bashing conservative and libertarian economists and schools.)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 10:57:47 AM EST
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I could say that the most important thing for you, and all graduates, in the moment is to feel fine with not knowing what to do. There is nothing wrong with not knowing, just accept it.

When time comes, you will know.

Probably, as all young people, you are in a hurry to live, and finally reach that state of fulfilment we all dream about. Well, it never (almost never happens as we want.  

"Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think." - BUDDHA

by JulyMorning (july_jdb(at)yahoo(dot)com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 09:05:25 AM EST
The good thing is that we live at a time when it's easier to look for jobs -- online, in the newspapers, etc.  So, even if you end up at a less-than-fulfilling job at first, you can keep looking until a better one comes along.  And, in the meantime, you're gaining experience and perhaps training, so your earning potential is moving up.  My fiancee can't decide if she wants to become a teacher or go into business and pursue an MBA.  She manages a restaurant, right now.  (Unlike me, she actually has the excuse that she wasn't aware that we would be moving.)  So she's gaining some solid experience in business, and she already has a lot of experience in education.  Education is almost a guaranteed job in America, too, since we're dealing with a shortage of teachers thanks to the state governments being unwilling to raise pay sufficiently.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 11:10:20 AM EST
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What I find despicable about the situation after graduating is that most young people have to comply to the demands of the market, not to their own wishes. We have to be "flexible" as capitalism enjoins.
I personally want to earn higher degree of philosophy,
but the omnipotent market does not need philosophers so much, so I have to study and make research in areas less attractive to me.
Long live the liberty and freedom of men under market economy and democracy!

I'm not ugly,but my beauty is a total creation.Hegel
by Chris on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 01:42:14 PM EST
Although I will be in the same situation pretty soon, and am still clueless what exactly I will be doing, I think I can give a sort of advice: do not make long-term plans, because nothing really happens exactly as planned. If you see a god opportunity, grasp it now! Don't hesitate for life ways for nobody! Even if it eventually does not prove to be the perfect choice- regrets seldom help. Raise your head and go on- everything is experience, even bad one, and it does give you something:-).

I was talking to a friend and I told him that I necessarily want to love my job I am going to be working. His comment was such: "Job is for the money, if you love your job too much, then it becomes your life." A bit cynical in my opinion, but worth thinking about.

I can resist anything but temptation.- Oscar Wilde

by Little L (ljolito (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 01:51:41 PM EST
Oops, I just spotted two mistakes I made typing my previous posting. What I really meant is not to seek a god opportunity, but a GOOD one;-) And please read the "life ways" statement as "life waits".

I seek forgiveness:)

I can resist anything but temptation.- Oscar Wilde

by Little L (ljolito (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 03:47:33 PM EST
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Naneva, may god bless you for this post!:)) It was so useful to see all the comments. I do understand how you feel. I'll be in a similar situation in January 2007.:))

When you were talking about people who know exactly what they want to do: i'm one of them. I've always known i want to be a journalist. Studying journalism in college has confirmed my desire. Actually, this is how i ended up studying politics too. I want to cover politics. It is so fascinating, so relevant to every-day life! So now i'm thinking of applying to grad school to study politics because i still lack substantial knowledge to become a well-rounded reporter. By now i know that journalistic technique is relatively easy to acquire, through practice, so what i need is more substance.

But there's nothing wrong with not knowing exactly what you want to do. A friend of mine who's graduating this May tells me he feels the same way. He's good at so many things, for which i truly envy him, he can't decide what exactly he wants to do with himself. What do people that are very close to you say you need to do? Usually such people have good observations of what you're really good at. Sometimes, amazing, we don't see what they see though it's obvious.

I read somewhere that success comes with connections, not necessarily with brains. A bit sad. But then, cultivating connections and maintaining them can also be a challenge, so take good care of your connections:))

by Brownie on Thu Apr 6th, 2006 at 09:32:53 PM EST

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