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Pie Fight Central

by the stormy present Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:29:46 AM EST

Welcome to the official Home of the Pie Fight®.  If you have something nasty to say about each other, do it here and stop derailing otherwise productive conversations in real diaries.


Lotta hostility 'round these parts lately.  This is your chance.

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by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:31:39 AM EST
Where have pie fights been taking place?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:34:04 AM EST
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The hidden comments will give you an idea where to look, but honestly I don't think I'd bother.  It's not one big fight, its a series of skirmishes.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:36:52 AM EST
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We have several new posters - "which is nice".

It is inevitable that it takes a while for new people to pitch their comments (or diaries) at the right level. There is an apparent sense of freedom at ET that encourages people to speak out - and I have no objection to that.

I say 'apparent' because in any community there develop unwritten rules of behaviour which can be both supportive and repressive. Because they are unwritten, it is hard for a newcomer to discover them. They are only revealed by engagement.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:12:20 AM EST
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I largely agree, but, in the case of (say) richardk, it seems as though the sort of behavior he has engaged in at times should not require learning through conversation here, but rather should not take place because a basic sense of decency in discussion.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:16:02 AM EST
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Well, I haven't been following closely, but it seems he did post a diary about High Speed Trains 2 days ago which seems to indicate a change of tack.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:20:07 AM EST
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True, but I think he went back to his original ways in some recent comments to redstar.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:21:14 AM EST
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And to Izzy, and Marek, and me.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:23:21 AM EST
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And rg, too, if I'm not mistaken.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:26:51 AM EST
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Nope, he's never been rude to me.  (That I can remember.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:33:53 AM EST
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You're thick-skinned.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:39:55 AM EST
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No, seriously.  Here's his last comment directly to me.

You've partly reinvented the 'job complexes' of participatory economics. Not exactly a surprise since they make a lot of sense.
Speaking of automation, you may also be interested in reading Michael Goldhaber's essays, many on First Monday. Soon enough, money will no longer be effective in structuring even a fascist economy. Not that it was ever effective at structuring a human economy.

I'm a fan of participatory economics and First Monday seems interesting.

It's just that he keeps going off on one (but not at me personally--I'm pretty sure of that) and I...er...wanted to echo his tone back to him...humorously was my intention...because when he's not in CAPS LOCK--boldface--"I have a thin skin for EVIL" mode....(I have a thin skin for evil...issa classic.  I really would love to read a diary by richardk on the subject of

EVIL!

...t'would make interesting--and hopefully humorous--reading I think, though I could be wrong.)

Overall, it seems he has been a troll elsewhere (hat tip to balbuz)...and, well, my working definition of a troll is a person who seeks to derail...hmmm...the narrative line...in unwanted ways, in richardk's case by becoming suddenly offensive to posters.  So I became suddenly offensive to him.  But I honestly don't think he was ever offensive to me.  Or maybe I just forgot?

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:53:44 AM EST
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If I meant anything, it was that he abusively troll-rated you.

But now I see you're pi in the sky: 3.14

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:57:22 AM EST
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Oh, I deserved--and expected--to be troll-rated...well, the hieronymus bosch didn't deserve to be troll-rated because it's beautiful.

Here it is again.

3.14!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 11:03:22 AM EST
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There are hidden comments?

There are never hidden comments.

C'est la vie.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 04:31:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And, by the way, just to get the thread going, I'd like to say that you're a right prick, stormy. ;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:34:46 AM EST
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I can't be a prick, I'm a girl.  Get your facts straight, you facist. ;-)
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:35:59 AM EST
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Bah, facts, schmacts, you FemiNazi. :D

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:43:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Corporate running-dog.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:49:10 AM EST
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Unwoman!

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:50:06 AM EST
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That's Wonder Woman® to you, you capitalist sideshow freak.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:54:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Terrorist-coddler.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:54:24 AM EST
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I know you are, but what am I?
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:55:42 AM EST
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I cannot tell you.  You may cry.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:57:21 AM EST
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Well I don't want to spread rumors, but I heard Drew likes to make girls cry.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:59:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You women -- all about equality until you actually have to stand up for yourselves.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:07:16 AM EST
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You men -- all about equality as long as it doesn't mean equal to you.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:10:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When you're paying for your half of the dinner bill, then we'll talk.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:11:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Drew, if you wanted to ask me out, you should've just said so.  
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:14:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Got me there, babe.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:16:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
tsp's into very expensive restaurants, Drew.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:30:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah, so burgers and hotdogs won't hack it, eh?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:45:05 AM EST
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No, sirree. You've argued yourself into an expensive corner.

(But I'm Superman so I don't care).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:55:57 AM EST
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Übermensch beats the crap out of Superman with one arm tied to his back.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:00:55 AM EST
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Are you Übermensch? Don't waste bandwidth till you know how to make a relevant point.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:05:21 AM EST
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Admit it... you've been practicing this at home in front of the mirror.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:07:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I can only assume that I've missed something.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:09:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Afew is taking troll-baiting to a whole new level.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:10:32 AM EST
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If you knew something about levels I'd listen to you.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:13:53 AM EST
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You bet, loser.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:12:07 AM EST
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Hey, afew, easy on the napalm.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:13:04 AM EST
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All my life.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:10:29 AM EST
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My agent, afew, will be handling the contract negotiations regarding the type of cuisine and cost thereof, as well as any side agreements over the quantity and quality of the wine that shall accompany said meal.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:04:41 AM EST
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Wine?  I'm afraid Bombay & Tonic is as classy as it gets in the Jones clan.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:08:22 AM EST
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15% + expenses.

(And the leftovers).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:09:10 AM EST
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10%, and the possibility of leftovers should be considered a performance-based incentive plan.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:14:17 AM EST
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Incentives won't work unless afew wants to be your agent anyway.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:18:24 AM EST
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Stormy lives in Egypt.  You can't expect people from that part of the world to understand high western concepts like incentives.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:21:51 AM EST
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That's why we have to run the show for them.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:24:03 AM EST
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That's right, because, you know, we're all genocidal savages in these here parts.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:25:38 AM EST
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I mean, Africa. Eeew.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:27:22 AM EST
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Well, it could've been worse.  I mean, it's not like she's South American.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:32:50 AM EST
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Coming from FloriDUH you should have some respect for South America.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:38:25 AM EST
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There are no South Americans in FlorDUH.  (Don't insert the "i".  We don't use it.  Arrogant fucking European and your proper pronunciation.  You've been living with the Brits too long.)  Caribbeans and Mexicans only, please.  No sense in bringing those dirty, southern, commie cousins across the border.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:51:42 AM EST
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That's exactly what I meant, South America is on a whole different (and higher) league from Florduh.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:53:05 AM EST
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Well, sure, if you judge us by every middle-aged New Yorker's snotty, retired mother-in-law.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:58:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Now you're being anti-semitic.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:02:39 AM EST
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Who said anything about the Semites?  That's all you, my friend.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:04:41 AM EST
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Oh well. If I told you a 1990 Château Pétrus, you'd only drink it all.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:27:14 AM EST
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But if you managed to negotiate three bottles into the deal, then I might pass out before I can finish it all, thereby leaving some for you...
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:29:29 AM EST
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Look, guys, a passed-out blonde!

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:31:28 AM EST
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How much do you generally leave on three bottles of Château Pétrus before you pass out?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:38:32 AM EST
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There's only one way to find out...
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:39:41 AM EST
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If Drew's paying...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:42:09 AM EST
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Perfect example of the principal-agent problem.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:51:41 AM EST
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I'd imagine dragging a drunken, blond stormy around Cairo might be worth the price of the booze, though, if for no other reason than to get the natives' reaction.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:55:27 AM EST
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Speaking as a man placed in that position by a binge drinking table dancing English (fitting, eh) girl, not that much fun.

Girl: Carry me I'm drunk.

MfM:Ok, you can't way that much.

And so it beings.  Never carry a women on cobblestones, you can never win, you will drop them.  And that will make the anger (and remember that she was trashed so that's a metaphor also) come out.  And at that point unless you're as drunk as her it no longer seems that much fun.

English women, thank god they like to drink, because otherwise we'd have to hear them speak.

God bless them because they know a good time, and don't need to guarded against like American girls.

MfM: Jesus fucking Christ, Lori come down from the sea wall.

L: I'm just trying to have some fun.

MfM:It's not safe, and I'm not fishing you out of the ocean.

L: Look there's no rail, just that picture of a person swimming on the sign over there.

MfM:Fucking Spanish, no rail, but there is a sign showing a person flailing after having fallen off the seawall.  Catholic country. Need I say more, sensible precautions aren't needed because we can scare the bejesus out of people to keep them in line.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 04:45:38 PM EST
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Funny you should tell this story, since I can imagine both female English friends I have doing this.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 04:48:44 AM EST
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English girls are trouble.

But a lot of fun.

The two girls I mentioned above had a way of getting themselves into situations they expected me to help them with.

Case in point.  The American girl started something she had no attention of finishing with this guy at a club, so the place closes out and as we're leaving she comes up beside me and says to hold her hand.  I was sort of pissed at her at the time.  But I agree.

So this guy comes up behind us, and starts talking to her.  She tells him that I'm her boyfriend (a lie and a painful one since she alternately would be my best friend and cold to me.), then he starts chatting it up with this other girl who was out with us.  

No dice.

She says that I'm here boyfriend too.

At this point this guy is no longer horny, he's angry at me.  And he starts going on saying "you have two I only want one"  and I'm seriously think that this guy is going to start some shit with me.  I was so pissed at both of these girls that I ditched them both on the way home, and got lost.  I was only wearing a T-shirt, and it was freezing.  So eventually the sun rises and I find my way home past all the ETA inspired grafitti, which is sort of disconcerting until you realize they don't give a shit about you because you're not Spanish.

Later, I would get my troubles for these two the American and the English girl paid back in full.  I was at the Americans flat and hadn't drank water all day long, so I passed out while talking to her.  I left a dent with my chin on her hardwood floors.  I split upon my chin.

So they both babysat me for the next 10 hours at the hospital as I got sewed up.  Funny story, the nurse is telling me I'm going to need 3 puntas stiches, I was a little bit out of it, so I have the two girls with me at the hospital (and a whole fuckin mess of Erasmus students too) and I say to the nurse that I only need one because I've got two putas that's Spanish for bitches, with me.  Like I said I was out of it.

Altogether my experience with Spanish hospitals was ok.  It was only 150 euros for stiches, xray and blood test.

I miss those two girls though.  I said something to the English girl that upset her so we haven't talked since I left Spain.  The two of them became good friends through me, but no dice. The English girl though, if it weren't for the ocean, I would have made it work.

Women. The moment we men condemn them for the troubles they cause us we make ass of ourselves and they pay us back for they things we done for them.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 06:05:55 AM EST
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LOL

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 06:13:21 AM EST
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Women. The moment we men condemn them for the troubles they cause us we make ass of ourselves and they pay us back for they things we done for them.

I seem to recall that being in my contract, too, but it has failed to materialize in most cases, and hence my efforts to keep fully stocked with alcohol, nicotine and male friends.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 07:01:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And, by the way, I'm rubber, you're glue.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:08:55 AM EST
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Rubber-brained, maybe....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:11:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, that's probably true.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:17:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't!!!!!!!!!!! this might be a good way to get rid of some of the current undercurrents! :-) That is if the culpables show up here.
by Fran on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:47:04 AM EST
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I love the smell of catharsis in the morning.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:48:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Could turn out to be real napalm.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:31:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
big time.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:42:10 AM EST
1/3 of the time.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:47:28 AM EST
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You should get your spelling straigth if you want to start a nukular reaction here. :-)
by Fran on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:48:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, goody, more Ur-o-peein' elitism.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:52:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Isn't it nuke-ular?

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:53:37 AM EST
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I'd think it's more like nuke-you-lar.

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:11:10 AM EST
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No, it's knuckular. And I intend to hit you right in the face with my knuckular weapons for getting it wrong.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:14:31 AM EST
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You're a Czech.  How would you know?  We'll never let you have the bomb, anyway. ;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:16:15 AM EST
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I spent enough of my precious time with you damn Yanks to know how to spell nukeyoular!

"If you cannot say what you have to say in twenty minutes, you should go away and write a book about it." Lord Brabazon
by Barbara on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:52:20 AM EST
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Hey, I'll have no lumping the Hallelujahs out West in with the rest of us.  Not cool.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:00:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Out West? She means Arkansah. Oh, wait, Arkansah is West of FlorDUH.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 05:23:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Arkansah is West of the Mississippi and thus part of the West.  Doesn't count under Drew's definition Proper-Yank-ism.  Honestly, how high can the standards in Spain be when you're being taught geography by an American?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 04:52:43 AM EST
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No bomb for the Czechs.

Just an ineffective missile defense system sure to make the country the target of any first strike.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 04:47:23 PM EST
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Here in Britain and Europe we cannot allow you to make such ridiculous statements unchallenged. Soon you'll be down on gas and oil which are the most delicious energies we produce in the world. We must implement free market principles and break up the un-competitive national energy companies for more productivity growth, GDP growth, demand growth, and growth growth. Get with the program, don't you know that the market and globalisation spells inevitability?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:00:15 AM EST
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NIUCLER ROCZ!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:07:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Redstar is a socialist in name only.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:46:59 AM EST
Pssshhh, this from the local hedge-fundie.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:56:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I like pie.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 02:22:06 PM EST
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I have a very thin skin for people who believe in good and evil when they're not playing Dungeons and Dragons.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:49:30 AM EST
So, in effect, you're defending evil. No good person would do that, and not-good = evil, ergo....
(And the stormy present is forcing us all to fight, which is also not-good. This place is going to Hell.)

Words and ideas I offer here may be used freely and without attribution.
by technopolitical on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 01:30:18 PM EST
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I heard Jerome a Paris is French.  And you know what that means....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:58:24 AM EST
Be nice.  We don't want him to retreat before the thread gets moving.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:06:00 AM EST
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Cough cough cough!

Okay.  I promise never ever ever to do it again.

Now, can we all have a group hug?

Hold on.  Stormy present has an axe!  Noooo!  



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:32:59 AM EST
Ah.  Okay.  I now have my axe.

So, apologies to all.  Tsumukikiatu.



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:37:53 AM EST
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Curiously, I don't seem to really need an axe to scare people.  I have no idea why.

<makes wide-eyed innocent face>

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:40:00 AM EST
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You scare people? You'd have to exist other than as a mindless crap depository on which I have no intention of further bestowing the superior light of my presence.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:40:31 AM EST
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I'd answer that, but I have a very thin skin for evil.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:41:55 AM EST
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Thin skin is a hereditary FAULT which needs to be eradicated by U-G-NICKS!

But I'm so fucking intelligent I don't know why I'm wasting my time explaining to future eradickees the high moral justification for why I'm gonna eradick them.

Hey, Mommy, kin I watch TV now?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 08:53:08 AM EST
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A GARDENING mandala?  

The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 06:58:31 PM EST
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I make the pictures clickable (often), but the link doesn't work for me.  Okay.

Here's another.

(The picture link is in german [I think.]  I hope it's okay.)

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 07:42:00 PM EST
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to all my friends.

If I have any left.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:16:37 AM EST
LOL

This has got to be the best thread in ages.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:19:04 AM EST
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I really was going to delete it, but now it's making me laugh too hard....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:21:13 AM EST
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Stop this horrible pi fight and bring on the pi lovin':
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:23:27 AM EST
I'm trying to get there.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:29:27 AM EST
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Help!  I need three more fours and and a one rating on My "cough" comment to...close the circle...bring the cosmic synergies into pure focus (you'll all live long and prosper, I swear--but not often, honest!)...yes...we can align our chakras, build our utopias and create energy from wind if I get there...

Here's the poem...

if I...
arrive at pi

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:42:47 AM EST
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3.25...

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:47:31 AM EST
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3.2...
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 09:58:51 AM EST
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3.16!  A two rating...and we're there!

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:04:19 AM EST
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A 3 rating. This is what happens when you try to give a pi rating to people who can't count.

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:06:30 AM EST
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Hmmm....strange goings on in the rate-o-sphere.

Is Jerome around?  All I need is your vote, Jerome.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:14:30 AM EST
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Done.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:17:54 AM EST
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Pi!

Oh, oh!  I'd like to thank, in the following order

richardk (without whom this would not have happened)
afew (for getting the ball rolling)
someone (for pointing the number in the right direction)
the stormy present (for bringing the pie)
migeru (for correcting my maths)
thatbritguy (for bringing us the winning line)
Drew J Jones (for pushing me over it)

But not me, us!  

There was a young laddie from Skye
Who wished to discover the "pi"
That his teacher had said
Was all in his head
When he stared for an hour at the...er...

Yes, thank you thank you.




Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:27:10 AM EST
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Well done, rg.  Well done.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:29:35 AM EST
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by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:31:08 AM EST
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You really shouldn't publish things like this in the open - Migu might get over-excited.

'Discretion is the better part of value'

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 12:35:07 PM EST
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You misunderstand me.

This comment brought to you by 3 * acos(.5)

"It's the statue, man, The Statue."

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 12:37:53 PM EST
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Now can we try for Graham's Number?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 01:06:15 PM EST
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Is he home? Or have you got his mobile?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 01:25:16 PM EST
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I think I have it [rummage, rummage...] here.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 02:31:14 PM EST
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Hmmm - it turned into a conference call

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 03:08:32 PM EST
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Damn Pi-ists.

e gets no respect.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 01:26:19 PM EST
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From ECIS (European central intelligence services)

Terror allert raised to 'orange'.

  • High level of internet-chatter over internet by suspect individuals, centralised around the site 'ET', a known revolutionary groupuscule.

  • Chatter origins mostly in Western-Europe buth with relays to former communist country's, the USA and Egypt, the possible Al Qaida link.

  • Conspiracy about liquidating important persons, involving axes and bottles of wine.

  • Activities financed by a French so called banker, always on the move, creating lots of wind.

  • Rumours about nuclear material, possible durty.

Instructions:

  • Vigorous inspection of all imported Egyptian axes.
  • Wine bottles : Château Pétrus highly suspicious.
  • Learn how to handle napalm-burns.


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:01:13 AM EST
Best. Comment. Ever.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:06:01 AM EST
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Far and away.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:09:33 AM EST
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I'm away for a couple of weeks and you're all at each others' throats;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 10:03:09 AM EST
every second our body is traversed by gazillions of particles of cosmological origin. Most of them are neutrinos, and sure enough, they usually do not interact with our flesh and bones, being able to travel through light-years of material totally unseen. But we are also showered with tens of muons every second, and muons do interact with our body, leaving trails of ionization behind.

The only explanation I have for this diary is a sudden muon burst.

by balbuz on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 11:52:52 AM EST
Wow, am I late to this party...

I'm curious about what prompted this.  rk?  I'm a little surprised that he's been allowed to stay around, given some of the very racist things he's said.  We shoud not waste good pie on him.  Or is it the ongoing America v. Europe thing?  Because I don't think that's a pie fight.  I think it is a good thing to debate the merits of various systems and traditions instead of (as rk does) completely write of certain countries as having nothing positive to contribute.

Sorry, I guess we're supposed to be having fun here...  I just don't really like the term "pie fight" as it both gives too much import to trolls who thrive on discord and kinda belittles those who have a legitimate disagreement.

So throw a pie at me.  I prefer blueberry, but chocolate will do just fine.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 12:35:10 PM EST
As I said to MillMan below, this isn't Son of American Pie Fight Returns.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 02:39:55 PM EST
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I think this could be posted elsewhere and that everyone has an excellent chance at a second career in pastry catering.

Please tone it down a bit, though, if you would.

Your've interfering with my reading of "Habermas on Heidegger".

 

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins

by EricC on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 12:36:42 PM EST
by Sassafras on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 12:49:06 PM EST
I've still got a diary brewing on me on this topic, I swear! And it doesn't even involve me saying mean things about the French!

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 01:31:20 PM EST
That's a shame.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 02:32:38 PM EST
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Heh!

"When the abyss stares at me, it wets its pants." Brian Hopkins
by EricC on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 05:08:52 PM EST
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Pie Fight or American Pie Fight? Because this one doesn't have "American" in it...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 02:34:33 PM EST
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that hardly matters - irrational fighting over cultural memes has nothing to do with one specific culture.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 02:52:45 PM EST
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let me add to that. It looks like you presented this as a thread to joke about general hostilities, but from my experience here a good portion of the hostility amounts to fighting for cultural memes. It simmers beneath a thin veneer of passive aggressive language and denials. It's much more intense here than other forums with any sort of international flavor I have participated in. I notice myself behaving much more defensively than usual.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 02:58:55 PM EST
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Look, I think you should really write a diary about that. I don't know what your experience has been elsewhere, but I have difficulty seeing how there cannot be tension over cultural memes on an international forum. And frankly, I not only think there's a good atmosphere here, I think most other members do too.

As for this thread, it had nothing to do with the kind of hostility you talk about, and I would rather wish you wouldn't try to project the cultural memes thing on to it. Have you read it?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 03:20:03 PM EST
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i don't see anything hostile here too...

apart from the usual hostility, ugliness and crudity of a British version of great and powerful American language

:)

by lana on Thu Jan 25th, 2007 at 03:35:03 PM EST
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you're all a bunch of wonks and wollies!

way too boring to have yer own blogs, so you come here freeloading on jerome's bandwidth, silly wanker that he is...

i'm fed up to the rear molars with all the fake nicey-nice, and hereby nominate rk for style guru for ET.

understanding why such a motley crew of ubermorons has sucked so much of my precious energy is proving a challenge to my therapist, who also blogs here, and if he doesn't get me normal by the next full moon i'm gonna out the bastard.

stormy you're a useful twit, that's all.

but thanks for finally stripping off the veneer, and letting us reveal our naked rage and loathing for life and each other.

it's a nietschean glory-moment to find pie so entertainingly easy to heft.

splat....off to lick sugary wounds.

or read something droll and uplifting by the aptly handled Nnadir!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 01:52:02 AM EST
I HATE YOU ALL!

I'm all for eugenics, retroactive to the time of your conception!

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 26th, 2007 at 12:50:52 PM EST
Is this whole thread about me not being married?

(doh... i was going to post a cool youtube link but the IT manager here blocked it because it was eating too much bandwidth...)

by Torres on Tue Jan 30th, 2007 at 01:47:23 PM EST


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