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The Royal-Bayrou debate

by Melanchthon Sun Apr 29th, 2007 at 06:09:21 AM EST

Here is a short summary of the debate held between Ségolène Royal and François  Bayrou Saturday.

The dialogue was a high quality one, open, without hiding disagreements. They excluded  any idea of Bayrou rallying Royal stating that was not the purpose of the debate, but that they wanted to explore the possible convergences and identify divergences.

Update: Here is the address where you can see it (seems to work only with Internet Explorer):
Royal - Bayrou debate part 1
Royal - Bayrou debate part 2

Please complete and comment.

From the diaries (with format edit) ~ whataboutbob

They agree strongly on the necessary reform of French institutions and political system to limit he concentration of power and promote the "impartial State", the independence of justice, the media (avoid them being controlled by bog corporations) and of control bodies (Conseil National de la Magistrature, Conseil National de l'Audio-visuel...).  They agree also on reinforcing the role of the parliament, including a dose of proportional, on the reform of the Senate. Also on social democracy and the role of social partners.

On Europe, they agree on the importance of Europe and the necessity of a new, more readable treaty . They both support the idea of a referendum for the new treaty.

They disagree on the idea of European mnimum wage and the satus of the BCE. They didn't mention Turkey.

They disagree on the economy, particularly on the role of the State and the cost of electoral programs. They also disagree on the reform of the pension system and the extension of the 35 hours work week.

They agree on immigration, on the policies towards the "banlieues" and the young and locally based police, on justice and more globally on society issues.

Finally, they seem to disagree on nuclear energy, however I think the "suspension" of the EPR project promised by Royal is mainly a tactical move.

I think the agreement on the reform of the French institutions and the renewal of the political culture, which are central objectives for the centrists who support Bayrou, will convince a significant number of them.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 08:26:09 AM EST
Any idea yet how many were watching? And is your impression that this may move a significant number of  Bayrou supporters into Royal's column?

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 09:13:13 AM EST
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Thanks. Did they just say whether they agreed or disagreed on the issues, or also why?

Bush is a symptom, not the disease.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 08:31:39 AM EST
Is the debate available online somewhere? I was unable to watch the live stream.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 08:41:47 AM EST
Here you can see it (works only with Internet Explorer):

Royal - Bayrou debate part 1

Royal - Bayrou debate part 2

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 09:02:29 AM EST
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Works with Firefox on Mac OS, too.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 09:05:23 AM EST
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Thanks a lot! Actually, it seems to work with Firefox (2) and WinXP...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 09:08:49 AM EST
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Works on Ubuntu 7.04 on firefox with default install too.
by Laurent GUERBY on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 10:05:24 AM EST
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This is the longest that I've ever heard either of them talk, and I was impressed with how articulate and thoughtful they both were. Still, I missed the one-liners and the repartee you get in American debates. Do French voters really prefer their politicians to be this cerebral? This diplomatic?

Meanwhile, Sarko is howling about "la politique de caniveau." Unfortunately, I know which approach would work in the U.S.

by Matt in NYC on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 10:11:07 AM EST
It's mostly because they are no longer opponents in the presidential race: Bayrou is out since April 22.

They were actually trying to explore some possible common ground, hence the low key tone.

Fear not for your one-liners and biting replies: they'll be plenty of these during the upcoming Sarko vs Sego debate on May 2nd.

by Bernard (bernard) on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 02:54:22 PM EST
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and is going on the offensive:

Royal tries to woo centrist vote

Ségolène Royal, the Socialist challenger for the French presidency, will hold a televised debate with François Bayrou on Saturday in a desperate attempt to win over the supporters of the centrist UDF leader, who came third in last Sunday's first round poll.


Mr Bayrou had earlier accused Mr Sarkozy's supporters of leaning on Canal+, owned by the Vivendi group. "I do not have any proof but I am certain of it," he said.

Furiously denying the charge, Mr Sarkozy's supporters accused their opponents of lies and Stalinist tactics. (...)

Mr Sarkozy, who has a clear lead in the polls, ridiculed his rival's decision to debate with Mr Bayrou, who has been eliminated from next Sunday's run-off.

However, Ms Royal must win over most of Mr Bayrou's voters if she is to have any chance of victory.

On paper, the electoral arithmetic is heavily against her. The total "left" vote last Sunday came to 13.2m, well short of the 16m recorded by the "right". Mr Bayrou's 6.8m swing voters in the middle are therefore crucial to the outcome.

Jérôme Sainte-Marie, a director of the BVA polling organisation, said the political dance between Ms Royal and Mr Bayrou this week had resembled a Marivaux comedy that might have amused people but was unlikely to have changed the dynamics of the race.

He warned that Ms Royal's attempts to win over centrist voters might only drive away potential supporters on the extreme left.

Some Socialist party members have already cautioned Ms Royal against "hazardous gymnastics" in moving her party towards the centre.

Moreover, objectively, Mr Bayrou would appear to have little interest in helping Ms Royal win the presidency because he might then be marginalised by a resurgent Socialist party.

The UDF leader, who is creating a new party to fight the parliamentary elections in June, would benefit most from a fractured Socialist party - in the wake of a Sarkozy victory - enabling him to emerge as the leader of a social democratic opposition.

Ah a wet dream: the "left" being run form the right-of-center...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 10:13:51 AM EST
"They didn't mention Turkey."

it is not they did not mention turkey, it is they did not answer the question.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Sat Apr 28th, 2007 at 04:27:40 PM EST

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