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A spectator's guide to the Democratic crop

by pelcan Wed Jul 25th, 2007 at 03:21:12 AM EST

I'm tired of the democratic civil war in the blogosphere. Obama girl isn't even backing Obama, decried one MyDD Edwards supporter. Hillary's holding huge, unassailable leads in the polls, pro-Hill Kossacks boast. And so on and so forth. So from now on I'm keeping quiet on who I support until the primaries are over. Some of these critics are forming arguments remind me of the Republicans.
So now, let's ride this donkey into the 2008 race. Just 500+ more days to go!


So here, in alphabetic order:

  1. Joe Biden: Biden is one who does things his own way. Then there was the Dunkin' Donuts joke, percieved as racist, that he said to a camera even though his staff warned him against it. Biden clearly views his conversations with voters as straight talk; his face shows how pissed off he is with "the current administration." His video at the YouTube debate criticized Bush for being delusional. He criticized the pres. on the stump in the loudest and angriest voice of any candidate. But I don't see how his agressive style is going to get him anywhere. There somes a point, and this goes for every candidate, that we're tired of them repeating the pres' mishaps and we want clear-cut solutions. I don't agree wth some of his proposals (split Iraq in three) but at least he has some. but don't count on him to gain momentum.

  2. Hillary Clinton- If the primaries were held today, she would win, no doubt about it. Democratic primaries have traditionally strayed from supporting top-tier candidates, however, at least those seen as beng at the top at this time. Hill gets a lot of steam for supporting the war. It isn't necessarily because we're unforgiving (Edwards has paid his dues), but she refuses to renounce her vote, although that has more to do with her strategy then what she feels. Hillary gets more criticism for not being Democratic enough, alhtough she has pretty solid Dem credentials and "get's it" on many issues, like pensions to the environment. In the media, talking heads say, "Some think she's too polarizing." First of all, who's the 'some' (Repubs who just hate polarizing candidates?), and second, all of the candidates are polarizing. She gets a little sympathy from me, like Nacy Pelosi, because of all the right-wing attacks on her.

  3. Chris Dodd: Whew, how many do we have to go? But on to Dodd we are, the candidate who probably has the most experence in politics of any candidate. He's still stck in the second tier, but he's got a wealth of knowledge and would make a great, competant, president. Still, I'd be surprised if he gets the nomination nod.

John Edwards: John is dogged with interminable attacks on his pricy haircuts from the right (never mind that they forgot about Romney's $400 makeup). Edwards, though born to a poor household, just can't cover poverty the way RFK does. Edwards is popular with liberals, even though he had one of the most conservative, if not the most conservative voting record of any other candidate (to be fair, he was representing his constituents in N. Carolina. Even Jim Webb, a celebrated Senate figure on lib. blogs has a more conservative record, hailing from Virginia). Edwards says the right things and is moving leftward to attract more voters. Edwards is still in last for the top tier, but my gues is he'll take Iowa, and who know's what momentum will build up from there.

Mike Gravel: One of the most politically incorrect candidate, if not the most, sometimes I can't help but wonder if this guy's joking. There's his campaign ads, one where he stares at the camera  before throwing a stone in a pond. He says it's a metaphor, but it still doesn't explain why he would stare at us for one minute and a half. Another, he's gathering wood and we watch a fire burn for several minutes with the name of his campaign site in the middle. Gravel would be funny if he didn't seem so, well, creepy. In the recent debate, he was yelling that Vietnam vets died in vain, like it's their fault. to his credit, he worked to get us out in the senate. But if Gravel wants to win, he's got to be serious. So far, he's seen more as a buffer to prevent Kucinich from being in last place again.

6.Dennis Kucinich: has no chance of winning the primary, let alone the presidency, period. Kucinich may be the most liberal candidate, but libs aren't likely to be jumping ship. Look, I supported Dennis in 2004, when I ws still a political novice and was swallowing the politicl propaganda on his website. But even Dennis should know he doesn't stand a chance, and frankly, I, and many American voters, prefer a more moderate candidate than and left/right winger.

  1. Barack Obama: Often criticized for not having enough experience, Obama still has credentials for being an effective legislator. He often works with Reoublicans in order to pass through essential legislation, even working with McCain and Lieberman on global warming (better than doing nothing.) He remains one of the most popular senators of any state and has good favorability ratings among the voting public. He's actually has made a good deal of accomplishments as Senator, from working with Repub. Lugar on fighting nuclear proliferation to legislative transparency .

  2. Bill Richardson- The first thing that pops up on the political junkies' mind when you talk about Richardson is experience. UN ambassador, Energy Secretary, Congressman, and now New Mexico's government. Richardson has worked on everything from border security to Darfur. He has also been a power player for the party, from chairman of the 2004 Democratic National Convention to the governor in charge of electing Dem. governors in 2006, increasing the total from 22 to 28 states. And he has the best political commercials.

Next time: the Republicans

Poll
What matters to me most for the future US candidate is
. Foreign policy (duh) 0%
. Environment/Global warming 37%
. Freedoms/democracy/Human rights 37%
. Iraq 0%
. other 25%

Votes: 8
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At least the Democrats can enjoy the moment, they just have the burden to choose between some quite good candidates.
That s not the case of the republicans voters.
by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Wed Jul 25th, 2007 at 03:47:12 AM EST
has no chance of winning the primary, let alone the presidency, period. Kucinich may be the most liberal candidate, but libs aren't likely to be jumping ship. Look, I supported Dennis in 2004, when I ws still a political novice and was swallowing the politicl propaganda on his website. But even Dennis should know he doesn't stand a chance, and frankly, I, and many American voters, prefer a more moderate candidate than and left/right winger.

And this, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how to keep the Overton window narrow and moving to the right.


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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jul 25th, 2007 at 04:51:56 AM EST
"Electability" is an election loser.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 25th, 2007 at 04:53:44 AM EST
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It's a pretty lame excuse not to like a candidate, in that it "disses" Kucinich while failing to say anything meaningful about his candidacy.  What would a Kucinich Presidency be like?  Now there's a meaningful question.

"Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon
by Cassiodorus on Thu Jul 26th, 2007 at 06:26:58 PM EST
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Random thoughts:

Hillary - straight out of central casting. Looks like a lawyer from a TV show, and this gives her media gravitas. Although the Rs appear to hate her because she reminds them of the wicked Bill Years when all was sin and self-indulgent prosperity, I wonder if it's all show - she seems least likely to rock the boat and has said some outrageously stupid and/or evil things, especially about Iraq.

Obama - a hawk pretending to be a plasma screen TV, Obama would kill to have Hillary's media presence. Looks like someone who grew up watching lawyers on TV shows and fervently wants to be one. Reeks of calm, measured, slow-speaking, diplomatic desperation.

Gravel - stand-up comedy. Actually quite good stand-up comedy. It's always fun to have a court jester in the pack. More in common with Joseph Beuys than Evan Bayh.

Kucinich - who?

Dodd - who? What?

Richardson - apparently famous and experienced, but not famous and experienced enough to register on most people's radar. Notorious for last year's yKos party. But otherwise playing the candidate game without any serious chance of being a serious candidate. May not have realised this yet.

Edwards - Mr CleanCut old-fashioned Carter-style Southern Democrat. By the people, for the people, kind of thing. Aggressive and impressive at first sight, but worries about his progressiveness remain. Could be dangerous, so will probably be assassinated, or something.

Overall - Gore has been very quiet and has now lost any momentum he might have had after Live Earth. Mythologically, and perhaps also practically, Gore would be The One. He even looks a little like a chubby Keanu Reaves too. But unless dragged into the fray by force, he looks like someone who doesn't want to be dragged into the fray at all. As always - a mystery.

The media's rightiness suggests that Hillary is the Evil Liberal Bitch from Hell, when really she has more in common with Lieberman than with Edwards. That's why the Left is going to have a problem with this election - the Right will frame someone mediocre and moderate as the extremist alternative, and the window will stay stuck there.

I think parts of the Dem machine are more aware than this. But unfortunately the netroots and the consultants are still living in different realities.

Things will be clearer after Iowa. If Edwards wins big, the others could be in trouble.

But whoever gets the nod is going to have their hands tied. They're going to need at least one term to clean up the current mess.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 25th, 2007 at 05:24:04 AM EST
I thought Edwards' chances of suffering a plane crash increased substantially after his tirade against entrenched big business interests in Washington.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 25th, 2007 at 05:54:54 AM EST
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I don't know it you saw about the Obama knife scare, but there's been this tremendous concern that he will be the victim of violence because of his race.  So the secret service arrest this Ohio guy who was carrying a knife in his car, and was nowhere near Obama.  This was played for all it was worth in the media.

At the same time, Edwards office has received many suspicious packages including several "powder" (remember the Anthrax attacks?) scares, yet this has been largely ignored my the national media.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jul 25th, 2007 at 11:58:19 PM EST
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How is Richardson notorious for last year's party?

Richardson held a small (open -- but late notice -- maybe 30 or so people there) breakfast with open conversation / Q&A prior to the Energize America panel, which he participated in.

Are you thinking of Warner's party?

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by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 10:11:22 AM EST
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Other: campaign finance.

That should be the most important issue.

by Upstate NY on Fri Jul 27th, 2007 at 12:43:39 PM EST


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