Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.

My Cover Is Blown

by metavision Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 11:55:10 AM EST

A new member emailed me to ask if my job at ET was to rate comments, since my nick showed up so often.  So, now you all know I am in the richest of elites.


It is sneaky of me, I know, but being educated and experienced in the ´free market´ world, I took advantage of the opportunity:  The mere membership in ET made me a lifetime mega-trillionnaire!!!  Having slowly and painfully evolved into a lefty though, I felt responsible and I knew

1.    I had to use it to to minimize the competitive environment we live in.
2.    I feel better when I share what "wealth" I have.
3.    L*ifeTM has the strangest, most twisted ways of paying me back.

I am unrepentant because my regrets are not about numbers.  I have no idea how much I have spent in ratings, nor do I care, since there are endless trillions waiting to be distributed, to ETers only.  Even if ratings were changed into 1million,... 4million, I would still share the maximum on almost every comment.

When a post is really inspired, I rate and comment.  When I disagree on a point and my neuron is plugged in, I rate and comment.  When I have no idea what you are talking about, I may ask, or stay out of it.  If I´m pressed for time and a comment is too long, or is a borderline troll, I may skip it, but I try to avoid such an extreme.  Of course, there are members and issues that I wouldn´t skip if they covered ten pages.

To me, ET is about relating, learning and making social progress because WE are beyond building more market-like idols.  As long as we can make social improvements, it´s irrelevant who becomes the face of ET because I will find my support role.  (Damn, I wish I had finished that diary called "L´ETenergie", after the Paris meet-up!)

Personally, or as a team, I can only gain!  So, pay me back, or sue me...  

Any objections?

Display:
Well, you may be the biggest "spender" here, but you DO discriminate.

The question is whether this "spending" is:

(a) "deficit-based" - creating an obligation to respond in kind (and potentially devaluing the currency); or

(b) "asset-based" investment in ET'ers' "amour propre" and thereby their Spiritual and Emotional Capital - enhancing their "Productive Capacity".

I go with the latter. Your spending clearly represents "Equity" in ET, not Debt, and is therefore by definition not repayable.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 12:11:13 PM EST
Definitely Left-Spirit Capital.  Now, you know how many times my neuron is overwhelmed. ;)

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 12:45:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
MV - I always took your abundant ratings to mean that you had simply read a comment - a sort of calling card. At most a kind of territorial marking, with comments as lamp-posts ;-)

It is always nice to know that someone has read what you have written - even if one's efforts inspire no further comment.

However, if someone, not Someone, but just anyone, comes up with a macro that rates everything with a single click, then I may have to rethink. The handcrafted rating, beautifully applied gesturally with the care and skill of generations of bloggers down through the ages, is so much more meaningful than the mass-produced one-size-fits-all, off-the-shelf, machine-gun spray of mass ratings.

I remember when I was a boy.....<falls into deep catatonic slumber>

What? Did someone mention tonic?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 12:16:39 PM EST
Sven, Sven, you know I cannot keep up with your neuron and I just take in your 360 knowledge.

I see ratings as a thank you for anyone who makes the effort to contribute and I refuse to see them as a brilliance contest because that is divisive.  I look at where the world is right now, with all the ´doctorated geniuses´, and to me they are a negative value.

Sorry, you´ll have to live with the fours.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:10:33 PM EST
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Well, I appreciate your ratings and your occasional chides.  Everyone needs a cheerleader and a conscience and you're good at being both.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 10:46:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
However, if someone, not Someone, but just anyone, comes up with a macro that rates everything with a single click

Done and done, suckers! Bwahahahahahahahaha! Javascrip shell and I are best mates, after all... Everyone gets a '4'!

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 02:27:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You'll just have to click on this.                        

                              url=[img]http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0011.gif[/img][/url]

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 12:37:03 PM EST
That makes me smile.  I know if I suggest changing the rating system for smileys, I´ll be banned, but it really would be much more expressive than a number!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:15:27 PM EST
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As professional anarchists, I don't think we are doing our job unless there's a banning threat now and again ;-)

'BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU'

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:18:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I would like to see a change in the rating system on ET. I think 0 and 1 are rather useless; there are no trolls on ET and "warning" is meaningless.
I propose a system of 4, 3, S, and A. 4 and 3 would retain their current meanings; S would be for "stupid" and A for "asshole" when someone really got out of hand.
I know my system is not "cultured," but sometimes "low-brow" works better.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:05:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The only useless rating is '3', which is hardly ever used and, at best, confusing.

The 0-1-2 'punitive' ratings work quite well IMHO.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:08:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hi Migeru. I hadn't said "Hello" to you since you've been back. And congratulations to you and your new wife.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:15:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Let me second both your and LEP's comment. Welcome back & congrats.

(Me, I still only have internet at work for probably a month, so litte activity until then)

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 09:05:49 AM EST
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I tend to see '3' as elaborate insults, but as they mostly seem to be used by mistake, it's hard to use them.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:22:45 PM EST
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Shows how much I know, I didn't even know you could determine who'd been rating your posts.

I like to reply, rather than rate. Mostly because when I comment the system returns me to where I was, wheras if I rate, it sends me back to the top and on the open thread it can take an inconvenient moment to work out where you were.

But rate away my dear.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 12:37:13 PM EST
That is one of the most annoying features of the Scoop software.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:16:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That and the fact that it can reorder the posts in certain circumstances.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:55:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I presume it reorders according to how you have set up your display preferences. So when you first come to a page with new posts on it, it is in one order - but when the page is refreshed, so there are no comments marked as new, the order changes.

Only the High Priests really know how it works, and being HPs they are going to keep it to themselves ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 02:53:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think it reorders posts so that the threads with the most ratings in total are moved up to the top. so you can put a rating on several posts and find that whole thread has shot up to the top of the page.

I just think this is how it works, but I havent tried anything to test this as rating a pile of posts to move a thread up, then derating it could end up with a pile of people offended as they got 2's while I scratched my curiosity Itch.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 03:41:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Go to your user settings, choose Comment Settings.

The second set as you look down the list is titled:

The following are comment type and order options.

The second choice, Sort, offers two drop-down menus, the first of which concerns how comments are sorted according to ratings. If you select "Ignore ratings" the thread won't be reordered after a rating is given. If you change settings, don't forget to save (bottom of page).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 04:41:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 04:54:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It doesn't take long to take a look at your user settings for yourself. No need for High Priests.

A ;) at the end of a line doesn't necessarily make it either funny or astute.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 04:47:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There is no useful explanation of user display settings that I can find. Perhaps I am an iDiot.

I do insist on user friendliness - for even the most casual user. My reference to High Priests was addressed to all keepers of information, not FPs specifically.

A while back I spent some time rewriting the ratings explanation in the New User Guide, which I posted in a discussion with DoDo about same. No-one took any notice.

I'd be happy to complete that writing task if it were deemed useful, but I cannot do anything about implementing it.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 02:44:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you knew the answer to ceeb's questioning, you could have given it. But you appear to have preferred to bounce off it in order to make a "point".

My reference to High Priests was addressed to all keepers of information, not FPs specifically.

I know what you would say in answer to that.

Perceptions...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 03:10:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
But where is the explanation of user display settings?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 03:18:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It should now be clear that your High Priest comment was indeed a swipe at front-pagers, not high priests in general as you most lamely pretend...

I agree the existing explanations are inadequate for people who don't have much of a clue. But I responded in the context of a subthread that features IT professionals (literally or as near as) complaining about the software in such a way that it was clear they hadn't bothered to figure out for themselves things it would be easy for them to do. I, btw, don't have access to any manual or guide, and just looked at the settings page for myself.

I don't know about the ratings guide you wrote. Can you find it?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:27:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Lamely or not, you have just proved my point.

I'll email you the guide. If you think it is an improvement, I will complete it.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:34:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Damn, I didn't mean for my inherrant laziness to cause fractiousness between you two esteemed gentlemen.

In this case though I do plead blindness, I had looked at the setings page and just not noticed that the  three sets of words were in fact clickable tabs, so just hadn't found the settings.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 05:41:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think you caused it, and the fractiousness is minor anyway...

And neither do I mean be derogatory to anyone who might have found things out for themselves but didn't. I could have said RTFM but then Sven would (rightly) say "Where is the FM?"

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 05:52:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Think no more of it. You should know, of all people, that Leicestrians are obstinate buggers.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:08:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And your point was..?

Got your email. Thanks.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 05:42:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My point was that 'who knows how it really works' (display settings) because the information is not there (or obvious) in the New User Guide.

"I agree the existing explanations are inadequate for people who don't have a clue" Well I am one of those who don't have a clue (except learning by trial and error). I also seek to represent lots of others who don't have a clue about IT, but can still write jolly good stuff.

Let's not continue with this, it is a waste of effort to defend the untenable on either side. But I hope the little debate this has thrown up would be a spark to improving the user friendliness of ET. We can all contribute to that - but we can't all implement such improvements...

<at this juncture I am loathe to include a smiley that might be regarded as non-astute, so I'll just end with the esoteric three dots that indicate a thought left in mind of the reader>

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:06:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Agreed.

Three dots can look awfully like a trail of rabbit shit...

(Where's that damn smiley when you need it?)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:14:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
8-D...

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:16:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No kidding - I didn't even see the blue links in the preference page until now. And I've been registered since 2005!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:15:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It took me a while even after I'd been told they were there.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:17:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Any user-interface specialists in the house?

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:22:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not me, but surely it wouldn't be too difficult to make them a bit more distinct? Why not go with the whole tabesque/buttonesque theme you've already got going in there?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:31:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You clearly haven't looked at the guts of the SCOOP software.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:34:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A fair point, but unless SCOOP has been run through the mother of all code obfuscation schemes, it can't be an insurmountable task.
Anyway, it was just a suggestion.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 07:00:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
aka PERL

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 07:05:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My sincerest condolences.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 07:11:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Electric Someone appears to be our resident shell guru. (what with Colman channelling his energies elsewhere for the present)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 07:41:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I had no idea the option existed.

I don't find jumping comments a major cause of sleep loss, and I think it's more important for newbies to know how posting/reading/rating work.

But there are a few of these expert-level features that could be tagged more clearly.

Re: Scoop - it may be awful, but (as long as you speak English) it works more or less out of the box. Creating an equivalent from scratch, even using an existing CMS framework, is going to take months or even years.

Limited occasionally awkward functionality is better than none at all, IMO.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 09:27:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
SCOOP [or, rather, our own expectation of needing a relatively small amount of effort to make it work] has already contributed to aborting two ET spinoffs: Spanish and French.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 09:45:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That was the 'As long as you speak English' caveat.

I'd guess it's not impossible to create a localisation-friendly version with language-specific elements grouped intelligently for easy tweaking. But it's a significant development effort.

The problem is that I'm not convinced any of the alternatives are friendlier for non-English localisation.

One option is to park the non-English Scoop project on SourceForge and open it up to interested developers. This should be quicker than trying to do it all in-house with limited experience and resources.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 10:14:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I found that my ultrasonic, panoramic keyboard gave me a real smiley face by typing "((:"

But I guess it doesn´t translate here, so here is a lefty smile:  (-:  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:33:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Damn, and I thought that was a righty Finn - one of the original Seven Brothers with pudding-basin haircut and only two teeth remaining.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 07:43:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don´t know how you do it:  Getting thoughts in order and writing them instantly.  Hope you give me lessons because I´d like to comment clearly and many times I give up.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:20:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
When I read comments:

  • I rate (not that often, but I'm not as rich as metavision :) while reading (without clicking on "rate", just selecting "excellent")
  • when I want to reply I do "open in new tab" (firefox) on the "reply" comment link
  • when I'm at the bottom of the page I click on "rate all" on the last comment
  • and then I start filling the reply "tabs" individually (I close some without reply if someone already said what I meant to say on the topic).
  • I check the "my comment" section to see if someone has rated or answered one of my comments.
by Laurent GUERBY on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 04:14:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That´s very similar to what I do as far as rating and replying goes. Opening new tabs is extremely useful for not losing "new" comment information.

My ET sessions usually start on the recent comments page, by opening every "parent" in a new browser window. Posting a reply will load the whole diary so I can read the comment thread and see any "new" comments. When I´m done responding to the recent comments I go to my own comments and open the ones that have replies (also wach in a new window). Then I go through the recent diaries list starting with the oldest diary that shows on the list and that I haven´t read. Of course, how far along this I get depends on how much time I have.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 04:30:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It figures.  You both have it down to a science and now I know your fast tricks.  ;)  I will practice.

 

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:18:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jeez, I've just been picking diaries and reading them linearly from the top town.

Now I feel inadequate.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 03:12:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought it was nice you were going around, reading every comment, and giving a nod that you'd read it.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 12:58:22 PM EST
Imagine!  Besides reading, I´m saying  "I appreciate this".  And I don´t require excellence.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:26:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I have days when I want ratings, I have days when I want replies. (Of course theres days when I get no reply or rating....) Likewise there are days when I reply and days when I rate.

Personally I think that Metavision should be forced to be  on 24 hours a day to deal with posters feelings of inadequacy. ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 01:53:26 PM EST
How about a job share?  Somebody in a distant time zone can cover one half.

I still would like to be faster at replies.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 02:26:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well if someone wants to pay for me to relocate to a tall island somewhere in the pacific, I'll volunteer. ;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 02:33:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
... but it wasn't a very good one, so I dropped it.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 07:54:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well as long as this dosn't descend into a my inferiority complex isn't as good as yours one-downmanship.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 08:18:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
... the worst one out there ... even if it wasn't the best ... it wouldn't have been that special.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 11:51:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thank you for sharing your wealth, metavision!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 02:21:01 PM EST
Hell, your cover is blown?

I'm the douche-bag who sent the email inquiring about your role as comment rater.  I was expecting a polite email reply, not a diary.  (I'm NOT complaining!)

Ah well, there I go again, causing a stir when I didn't mean to.  Don't get me wrong, I cause PLENTY of stirs but I like to create them consciously, not by mistake.

Luuuuuucy, I'm hooooooooooooooome.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 03:11:35 PM EST
Nah, there are no secrets on ET.  We keep it all on the blog, so we are all on the same page.  Just leave the sexist stuff out of it and write your thoughts.

Say hello to Lucy.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:42:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Just leave the sexist stuff out of it ...."

WHAT !!!!!!

Some of my best stuff, my Grade A material, is " sexist stuff".  Let me give it a go.

I walk into a bar with a prostitute.  I look at the bartender and say, "Give me and my ex-wife a shot of Jack Daniels."

What?  Nothing?  Tough Room.  Gonna have to work on it.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 08:39:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You are begging for a metamouse lashing...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:38:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh God, I am SUCH an idiot and a glutton for punishment.  I just can't help myself ... Inquiring minds have to know.

What, oh what, is a "metamouse lashing"?  Will you be gentle?  I'm a first time offender (but gearing up for future forays).

I literally cringe as I hit the Post button.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 07:55:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think there was a typo. If you've never been lashed by a metamousse, then you just don't understand the role of food in BDSM. Metamousse is physically gentle, yet psychologically volatile.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 08:03:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Metavision!!!

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 08:09:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Of course I might have been wrong about the typo...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 09:01:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Metamousse  ...  Metaschmousse.  I don't even know what BDSM stands for.  This insider lingo takes time.

While I've got you on the horn.  I was going to ask metavision on the next go-around but what the hell, why not hit on you?

Who are the major players ... the management .. at ET?
I've got an idea for a major (by my definition) diary project and I want to trial balloon it with the powers that be.  Can you provide me with their aliases/email addresses?  Danka.  (That's German)

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 09:37:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Basically the staff are in two cathegories (though overlapping) Frontpagers (FP) and gnomes (who twinks the computer thingy from time to time). The FPs are found on the frontpage in the right column under 'Blogroll' (which might not be the most intuitive place to find it) and their email adresses are generally found in their signatoures.

Otherwise you can always write your trial balloon into a diary about what you wanted to ask and see how it pans out. Usually works fine for most communication, plus (if you consider it a plus) you get input from more people.

Danka. (That's German)

I thought it was Danke...

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 10:14:41 AM EST
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Thanks Swede.  I tend to be a cautious person ... no need to stir the pot when you don't have to.  After I posted my question about "who runs this joint, anyway" I went to do "other stuff" and came back a few hours later to find this huge fucking .... is the proper term "thread" .... trailing after my posting.  I started reading some of the replies and I thought, "What the fuck?".  I post what was suppose to be an innocuous question about who is in charge and it generates .... THIS.  As we used to say as kids, "Man 0 Maneschewitz"  (wine name is probably misspelled)  Anyway, holy shit, I've got to be careful what I type around here.  God knows what would be the response if I farted.  The torrent of bits and bytes would melt my CPU.  So now, looking at the text my "innocent" question produced, I am DEFINITELY going to blow my idea by the powers-that-be, and LET them be as conservative and critical as possible.  

To quote Danny Glover in the Lethal Weapon series,
"I'm too OLD for this shit!"

Anyway, thankie thankie for the help.  I've got a ton more questions to ask "someone"  but I want to get to the rest of the replies down below.

And yes, I know, the proper spelling is danke.  I took 4 years of high school German eons ago and I still retain some of it.  I suffer from a "mental disorder".  Don't ask the source ... long story.  Suffice it to say that I suffer from this delusion that I can say (type) funny things, people will think that I am amusing, and they will like me.  "Hey look, Twank said danka (the idiot).  Why don't we invite him to the party." I've got my HA - HA side and I've got my dead serious side; very little in between.  Can you guess that I live alone and why?  

In the words of the immortal artist Art Ahr  (I wonder how old Art is doing?)

In the United States, we say "good bye";

in Italy, it's "Asta la pizza";

and in Germany, it's "Auf Wienerschnitzel"

Ciao y'all and once again, thank you!

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 10:24:16 PM EST
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Come on! Stop beating around the bush. If you have a diary, just post it. The worst thing that could happen to it is not being commented.

Do you always need a boss to tell you what to do?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Tue Sep 4th, 2007 at 03:24:40 AM EST
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You don't need to contact the Management to post a diary here. There is no prior censorship and the final judgement is whether the users at large read, comment and recommend your diary.

Can the last politician to go out the revolving door please turn the lights off?
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 10:24:55 AM EST
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(Consensual) Bondage, Discipline, Domination, Submission, Sadism, Masochism.

It is not ET lingo (though I could tell you a few stories) - it is the lingo of those who have moved on from missionary work.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 10:25:38 AM EST
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Svenny boy (I assume you are male) howz it hangin'?

Thank you for the reply.  Gratzi.

Thanks for the S&M update.  An old fart like me must stay current with all of the important trends.

Just left a reply for the Swedish Chef.  No need to recount that.

Question:  Do they allow multiple aliases for one person on this site?  Would they allow me to blog under more than one alias?

Questions, questions, I'm just full of them.

Oh yeah, I went to this diary and found the replies after ... I assume by the numbering ...#90 highlighted with a RED BOX and other weird shit.  Is management warning us that we are taking up too much memory on the server for one diary and "knock it off"?  I associate RED with sirens, No-NO's, etc.

Gotta run.  More replies to peruse down below.

Auf Wienerschnitzel  (God, I love that.  Wish I had thought of it.  Damn!)

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 10:58:45 PM EST
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Oh yeah, I went to this diary and found the replies after ... I assume by the numbering ...#90 highlighted with a RED BOX and other weird shit.  Is management warning us that we are taking up too much memory on the server for one diary and "knock it off"?  I associate RED with sirens, No-NO's, etc.
Those comments have had their "editorial" flag toggled by a front-pager. You can see that in the bars at either end of the comments
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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 9th, 2007 at 01:01:53 PM EST
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Just post the diary, no need for prior clearance.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 11:15:10 AM EST
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I come back.. today.. and I see this.. on top..

for good reason..

Nuf said

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 03:31:48 PM EST
Oh well, I might as well say this.

I like what ATinNM says, that it's nice to see you give a nod to each poster. But should we all do that? If we give a 4 to all but a handful of comments - even to the briefest and most banal - doesn't it tend to debase the currency?

It doesn't have to be a brilliance contest. I'm not in the least in favour of a spirit of competition on ET. But there are comments that are more substantial, informative, well-argued, than others. There are funny comments. There are reasons for giving a 4 to show friendship, sympathy, or support. But if we shower them around on every comment, what meaning do they have left?

I've actually thought this for a long time about your system, meta: it's nice but I'm not sure you don't overdo it! Obviously you go on doing it if that's what you want, but I'm just putting in a dissenting opinion.

NOT, I hasten to add, official, managementerial, or high-priestly - just my two cents.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 05:07:01 PM EST
I got a 4! I got a 4!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 05:20:08 PM EST
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If that's the effect it has, have another one on me!

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 05:39:39 PM EST
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Sometimes, one must admit defeat.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:00:55 PM EST
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I thought about that, but I decided the important part is the people, not the currency.  Sometimes, even an inane comment plays a crucial role in the overall thread, balancing the discussion and the point tension.

An essential characteristic of currency is that it must flow, change pockets, be well distributed so that it reaches everyone who makes an effort, no?  Sort of reorganizing the central banks.  I just think that it may encourage posters to be acknowledged and viceversa.

Besides, I will run out of room for all these trillions and ET will have to buy me a house with some land to store them.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:04:29 PM EST
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The community IS the currency. It's only through our mutual agreement that anything has any "value" in exchange.

As for Central Banks - they're obsolete, along with credit intermediaries aka Banks.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:10:57 PM EST
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Well it does appear that with a surfeit of bankers and economists in the  vicinity, I'm sure if you give them enough 4's they will shower you with interest.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:12:46 PM EST
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But there are comments that are more substantial, informative, well-argued, than others.

Maybe, but I have noticed that a funny one liner, even a not very clever one) gets often more 4s than a longer, substantial, well-argued comment...

Although you might always answer that my one-liners are better than my long comments...  

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:45:33 PM EST
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my one-liners are better than my long comments...  

Nah... They're not... But note I said "funny comments" just after "substantial, informative, well-argued". And I wasn't "rating" them in that order... :-)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:34:05 AM EST
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Do you mean they are even worse?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 08:12:01 AM EST
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i thought i was getting cyber-stalked!

lol

i propose metavision should have the exclusive right in the new ET to give a '5'!!!

i know you'll never run out of mojo, mv, but what about your poor mouse?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:09:38 PM EST
Took you long enough to figure it out! ;)

And my mouse is very happy being petted all the time.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:55:57 PM EST
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ha...i thought it was because you're just a sweetheart, (or a cia plant), now you are revealed as another speculator, a mojo baroness, a mojopoly player with delusions of total mojoworld domination.

running dog mojo imperialism....this will not stand!

cunning though...

watch out for overstimulation of your neuron-

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:25:58 PM EST
Keep giving me ideas!, melo, you, most articulate philosopher, sunnyman.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 06:43:35 AM EST
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Dear Metavision, your gentle rating makes ET a more cheerful place.

By quietly weaving the social fabric of ET with your 4s, you are playing a major role in the building of this community.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 06:38:57 PM EST
Thank you!  You express my intention perfectly.

Drop in more often!  I miss you around here.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Sep 2nd, 2007 at 07:13:52 PM EST
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Any objections?

None whatsoever. Everyone deserves a pat on the back every once in a while.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 04:28:27 AM EST
Always a pleasure, Meta.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 09:06:21 AM EST
Only on ET!!! can a corny diary bring out so many thoughts, create so many new synapses from so many evolved, hyper-vigilant, lefty neurons...

What an ETrip! Love you all!  Now hug to the left!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 12:26:53 PM EST
Thank you EARTH MOTHER.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 12:54:46 PM EST
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Argh.
Left?  Yes I guess I have to be considered left based upon my practical insta-bans in the "right wing" American political boards.  The political tests place me in the realm of Ghandi and the Dali Lama yet I view these things as marketing techniques in comparison to the history of mankind.  Anyone can Google "leftgatekeepers".
While I find eurotrib far and away light years ahead in the real intellectual discussion of world events and affairs I do reside in the nation of Faux News and for this I apologize in advance for my reactionary views, comments and opinions.

Peace and may we all counter the insanity of today's world events.

by Lasthorseman on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 08:44:30 PM EST
of you're instantly banned anywhere you can't be doing that much wrong.

Even if you're the most reactionary madman we've ever met we'll still learn things and hopefully you will too.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Sep 3rd, 2007 at 09:04:50 PM EST
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Horrible confession:

Since I see that you rate most of my comments a 4, it kind of diminishes the value of that 4 for me.  Frankly, I like a good critic and the challenge to improve the quality of my remarks.  In school I would have teachers give me A's no matter what I wrote.  I hated them for not taking the time to find something wrong with what I'd written.  

This is just a personal pet peeve (a la astrology, etc.), and does not mean I don't appreciate your unbelievable generosity or that I speak for anyone but me.  But when I click on a comment and see you've recommend it, it simply doe not mean as much as a recommendation from a poster who is less generous with their "4's".  

I still appreciate your assumed role in the community, though. :)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Sep 4th, 2007 at 11:03:24 AM EST
I understand that view, like afew's, but I was brought up with the method of a big stick, or other (to ensure maximum ´productivity´) and I am rebelling into soft power.  I´m kind of tired of the ladder, the race, the achievement column and all that.

Remember that when I rate, I have dozens of descriptions for a 4, that I cannot put into words at that moment:  "That´s amazing/Funny/Surprised/I´m learning/Shocking/You´re right/Go on, please/Sad, but true...".

Unless you specifically forbid me, I will give you a poemless 4.  <putting on a very stern face>

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Sep 4th, 2007 at 02:11:26 PM EST
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