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How Hillary Clinton Lost Me

by gobacktotexas Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 03:56:33 PM EST

Long before she started running for President, I used to be one of Hillary Clinton's biggest fans.  But then she completely lost me, and now I've become convinced that she cannot be allowed to represent our party and our nation.


It was 1992, I was 12 years old, and much more interested in politics than my friends in the (heavily republican) neighborhood I lived in.  I remember following the primary campaign somewhat, and then falling in love with Bill Clinton (and his wife).  Hillary was very clearly an independent woman, unlike any first lady we had ever had (except to an extent Eleanor Roosevelt), in her willingness to express her own points of view and shape public policy.   I was young, the Clintons were young, the Clintons were the future, and the dark clouds of the Reagan-Bush era were about to part.

So I remained a big fan of both Clintons throughout the Clinton presidency.   Even though, as a college student at the end of the Clinton presidency, I was disappointed that the Clintons had not been able to more fundamentally change our society, I wrote it off to the corrupt tactics of the Republicans.  When I saw Hillary running for and getting elected to the Senate, I knew that she would likely run for President one day, and I thought it likely that I would vote for her.  

Then I went to law school.  My law school was in conservative San Diego.  It was 2002.  The Bush administration was laying the groundwork for an invasion of Iraq.  I was shocked and horrified by what was going on around me.  I started attending protests regularly, and inviting several of my friends to go as well.   I got into heated debates with my fellow students.   The debates usually went something like this:


Me: I'm not saying that war is wrong in all circumstances, but when we go to war, the President has to make the case, and here the case has certainly not been made...the inspections seem to be working and there is no imminent threat...

Republican classmate:  So you support Saddam Hussein?

Me: [Head exploding]

I remember how frustrating it was at the time to see our societal dialogue in its most debased state, with the media marching almost in lockstep with the Bush administration, and few people in positions of influence bothering to raise speak their minds.    

There were a few notable exceptions.    

One was Al Gore, another hero of mine from my junior high days.

Howard Dean was another exception:


What I want to know, what I want to know, is what in the world so many Democrats are doing supporting the President's unilateral intervention in Iraq?
 

In the next year, I spent a considerable time trying to help Dean win the primaries.

But there were some voices which I expected to hear at this time, but did not.   One of them was Bill Clinton.   Where was Bill Clinton's forceful critique of the biggest foreign policy blunder of modern times?  It was notably absent.  In fact: it was difficult to discern what exactly Clinton's position was:


"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over...That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for," Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998."

I understand the game of politics sometimes demands it, but his was the wrong time for cautious, ambiguously worded statements.  

To Bill Clinton's credit, however, I recently learned that he was against the Iraq war from the beginning (above statement notwithstanding), and simply didn't have occasion to mention it:


Former president Bill Clinton said on Tuesday that he "opposed Iraq from the beginning,"

Hillary Clinton is not responsible for the actions of her husband, of course, but I held her to a high standard as well, and I expected her to show her leadership and put up some resistance against the march to war.  If anybody was in a position to make a powerful argument, and make it more difficult for proponents of the war to rush the country into a catastrophe, she was that person.    But she voted to authorize President Bush to use force against Iraq.  

And she said she has no regrets:


Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?" the New York Democrat asked Tuesday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I don't understand how they had such an unrealistic view of what was going to happen."

Wait, a minute, let's look at that last thing she said again:


"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?" the New York Democrat asked Tuesday night on CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I don't understand how they had such an unrealistic view of what was going to happen."

And now let's look at that speech that Al Gore delivered before war began (and weeks before Hillary's fateful Iraq vote):


When you ask the administration about this, what's their intention in the aftermath of a war, Secretary Rumsfeld was asked recently about what our responsibility would be for re-stabilizing Iraq in the aftermath of an invasion, and his answer was, "That's for the Iraqis to come together and decide." On the surface you can understand the logic behind that, and this is not an afterthought. This is based on administration policy. I vividly remember that during one of the campaign debates in 2000, Jim Lehrer asked then-Governor Bush whether or not America, after being involved with military action, should engage in any form of nation building. The answer was, "I don't think so. I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. We're going to have kind of a nation-building corps in America? Absolutely not." My point is, this is a Bush doctrine. This is administration policy.

Hillary Clinton demonstrated a complete failure of leadership on the biggest issue of her political life (and quite possibly the biggest issue of all of our lives).  

As the 2008 race began to take shape, I think I knew that I probably wouldn't be supporting Hillary Clinton, but she still had not completely depleted the once enormous reservoir of respect I held for her and her husband.  

In political conversations with friends, some of whom had also once respected Hillary, I found myself defending her, and even still thinking that she could make a decent president.   I kept reminding my friends that even though I wasn't going to support her, the fact that she would be the first woman President would be an incredible thing, and would be a big plus on her balance sheet.  I think at that point, I didn't understand how she got it so wrong on Iraq, but I somehow kind of expected her, however unrealistically, to do something surprising and wonderful to redeem herself.

She never did.  The day it became clear to me that a second President Clinton would not be a good thing for our country was when she said this about 9/11:


"I believe we are safer than we were," Mrs. Clinton said.

Say what Hillary? We are safer now than we were before 9/11? Safer than before we started an unnecessary war in Iraq? Safer than when your husband was President? This for me crystallized everything that is wrong about Hillary.  She did the "politically safe" thing by voting for the Iraq war.   Then such was her political tone deafness and willingness to pander that she made a statement parroting a classic right-wing canard that was 1. factually dead wrong, 2. actually unlikely to gain her political support from any constituency (neocons for Hillary?), and  3. actually undermined the credibility of her own husband's administration.

That was when Hillary lost me.   Since then, it has been steadily downhill:

Using the terror card when her back was to the wall in New Hampshire a la Cheney:


DOVER, N.H. - Facing the prospect of defeat in tomorrow's primary, Hillary Clinton just made her strongest suggestion yet that the next president may face a terrorist attack - and that she would be the best person to handle it.

She pointed out that the day after Gordon Brown took office as the British prime minister, there was a failed attempt at a double bombing in London and Glasgow.

"I don't think it was by accident that Al Qaeda decided to test the new prime minister," she said. "They watch our elections as closely as we do, maybe more closely than some of our fellows citizens do.... Let's not forget you're hiring a president not just to do what a candidate says during the election, you want a president to be there when the chips are down."

Playing to blind nationalism, saying that all children should be compelled to say the pledge of alleigance every day, a la McCarthy


"Anybody who tells you that children cannot stand up and say the pledge of allegiance in school is not telling you the truth," she declared. "You got to understand that. It is absolutely legal and right. And I personally believe every American child should start the day saying the pledge of allegiance. I did, and I believe every child should."

And, perhaps, most shockingly, Clinton and her campaign have demonstrated (at best) a pattern of racial insensitivity.  

Speaking of Iraq by the way, there is another candidate who got it right before the war.  I don't agree with him on everything, but the fact that he was right about this issue means a great deal to me.  And there is another candidate who got it wrong, has admitted as much, and has dramatically changed course.   Either one of these guys would be promising choice for our country.  But not Hillary.  She might win the primary, but she has forever lost me.    

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Sums it up rather well, gobacktotexas.  As a fellow Deaniac, I'm not at all surprised to see your take.  Hillary Clinton is a coward.  My view on Iraq was summarized quite well here:

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don't oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not - we will not - travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

 - Barack Obama, 10/26/2002, Anti-War Rally in Chicago

What was that about fairy tales, Mr President?  Didn't think so.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Jan 18th, 2008 at 07:56:31 PM EST
god, it's staggering to remember how pitch perfect he was back then. Today, you could know all that had happened since then and still not sum it up as well as that.

Clinton is a follower, not a leader. Her triangulation is about chasing other people rather than pursuing her own view for the people. She is suited to Congress, but entirely unsuited to the White house. American and the world have had eight years of rudderless absence of leadership. We can't afford 4 more.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 10:23:20 AM EST
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Yes, he nailed all the reasons that were running through my head at the time, particularly the bit on getting away from the oil.

Agreed on Hillary, and well said.  What frustrates me about her, though, is that I know she's got real leadership -- real liberalism -- in her.  She could have been the first female president with all of us behind her, but she corrupted herself.  She voted her political mind and not her conscience.  And then she built a campaign with very nasty people.

She may have checkmated the Obama and Edwards vote, though, unless California really starts moving.  There are some signs of that, along with signs in Florida, though.

Unfortunately, I think Chris Bowers has it right (and Obama supporters on the blogs have it wrong):  Obama needs Edwards in this race in the upcoming contests in order to keep the anti-Hillary vote alive through Super Tuesday to buy Obama time to close the gap in California, where the election will likely be decided.  Edwards strips key blocs away from Clinton in places like South Carolina.  And he appears to do the same to a lesser degree in Nevada, which makes his collapse there all the more worrying (down to 6% in the final Zogby poll).

I hadn't really thought of it that way until Bowers dug into some of the fundamentals.  I think he's wrong nationwide but right in upcoming states.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:00:39 AM EST
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I must admit I've found the clint-obama show that is the primaries to be deeply disappointing. When you look at how american voters themselves score issues, both Kucinich and Edwards beat Cint-obama into pulp. In fact on several key issues both of them have policies that run contrary to the expressed wish of America. Yet they are the annointed front-runners of the Democratic party, whilst those America agrees with fall into dust.

If so-called political activists, the party membership, cannot accurately acquaint themselves with the candidates policies, how can we expect more of the public ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:20:47 AM EST
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Well, the real story was always Clinton, and then a second position open to one of the other six (since Gravel and Kucinich never had a shot).  Hillary vs. Anti-Hillary.  We all saw that coming, even if Iowa may have called it into question briefly.

The party activists are generally with Clinton, not for ideological reasons, but because they assumed she'd win.  (The unions jumped to her for fear of losing their voice with the new president, as did many members of Congress.)  Obama's only hope was to generate some union support from his Chicago ties while creating new party activists.  (It worked wonders in Iowa, but not so much in New Hampshire.)  Edwards's only hope was to create new ones and feed from Clinton's older, working-class base.

In fairness, Kucinich is probably the one who lines up best with the country's views on an issue-by-issue basis.  The funny thing on health care, to me, is that he's actually got the simplest (most sellable) and cost-effective plan:  Medicare for All, or at least that's what I think it is.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:44:31 AM EST
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The whole primary, for the record, has been deeply disappointing since roughly December.  When Obama's poll numbers began rising in Iowa, the horse race mentality took over in the press.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:50:23 AM EST
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European Tribune - How Hillary Clinton Lost Me

In fact: it was difficult to discern what exactly Clinton's position was:


"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over...That's why I supported the Iraq thing. There was a lot of stuff unaccounted for," Clinton said in reference to Iraq and the fact that U.N. weapons inspectors left the country in 1998."

I understand the game of politics sometimes demands it, but his was the wrong time for cautious, ambiguously worded statements.  

See the European Tribune diary ...but Saddam threw out the inspectors! by DoDo on June 3rd, 2007.

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 10:26:54 AM EST
I have always felt that Clinto was constrained by the courtesy that says previous Presidents do not criticise their successors.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:23:02 AM EST
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Clinton's just about as guilty. He threw out the inspectors and his Secretary of State is famous for declaring that 500,000 dead Iraqi children was "a price the US is willing to pay".

We have met the enemy, and he is us — Pogo
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:30:51 AM EST
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Not arguing on that score. I'm afraid history is beginning to view the Bill-C presidency quite harshly.

But if he had a criticism, he probably wouldn't have voiced it for the reason I gave.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:41:49 AM EST
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That's true.  But he could've kept his mouth shut instead of becoming a defender of Bush.  And, at some point, the "No questioning of past presidents" rule should be thrown out if the current president is making a catastrophic mistake.  In this case, one that got 4,000 of our soldiers killed, many thousands more injured, and set us back a long way on dealing with the issue of terrorism properly.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:47:07 AM EST
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And, by the way, Albright was given that slot at least partly due to the lobbying of Hillary Clinton.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 11:48:01 AM EST
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But he clearly has no problem with criticizing his potential successors from his own party in this election, in fact he is now Hillary's veritable hatchet man.  But he couldn't say a peep about the war in Iraq (except to leave the impression that he supported it)?
by gobacktotexas (dickcheneyfanclub@gmail.com) on Sat Jan 19th, 2008 at 07:10:00 PM EST
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