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Yes I had to Delete My last one

by Lasthorseman Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 05:30:44 PM EST

To all of those in the know who responded with kind wise words and wishes Thank You.  I do realize I am being my usual cryptic self but this may be my last entry as Lasthorseman.  There are other people now playing with my mother which has given me a temporary respite for the next evolution.

Salud and God Bless.  Thank You.

I will have to end the internet persona Lasthorseman only to be reborn as someone less confrontational, less "tin foil hatter" oriented.  If I can.  If I am able and if the internet don't get censored down to the lamestream "I want to go shopping level".

I am sitting here drinking crappy Murikan beer and wondering if my second attempt at this post goes through.  The other computer I wrote all of my last stuff on is toast.  It sits there not connected to the internet wondering what to do.  While "it" was offline I have encrypted "its" default internet connections and now "it" needs a format C:/s for sure.

Best wishes, hope things turn out well for you, however you choose to proceed.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 05:49:48 PM EST
that my choices rest upon the painfully slow decisions of others.  Relief comes in the form of a professional caseworker whose efforts just might prompt me to tone down much of my scathing review of elder care.  I am a mostly stable guy I think, being a who I am and all but still have to rate this community as one of the best in supportive constructive comments during my trails and tribulations.
by Lasthorseman on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 11:14:17 PM EST
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... or maybe Nexthorseman, hopefully as smart as the Last horseman, if not riding such a d00m p0ny.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 10:18:27 PM EST
24 hours has brought more revelations and more concrete book ideas but even that brings up a conflict.  Do I want to be rich,famous, wealthy, published or do I want to play with my grandsons, yes that is plural and offical, he will arrive in April if I can consult the meditating monks to put off the end of the world until then that is.

Yes I will be that wise guy American telling it like it really is in this life or the next.

We didn't bomb Iran, we didn't all die of bird flu and further back Y2K didn't cause all of the machinery of modern life to halt. But now I see computers that could not tell dates damn sure could not calculate interest payments now could they.

The balance between good and evil is an ever changing fluid situation...Think of the best times in your life and use these in times of need.  Evil can not consume you lest you allow it, consent to it or be deceived by it.  Am I indeed "far too valuable".

Your humble servant, surfing the Apocalypse.

by Lasthorseman on Sun Nov 16th, 2008 at 10:59:14 PM EST
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Goodbye, Lasthorseman, welcome ???

Sincere best wishes.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 01:01:40 AM EST
Goodbye Lasthorseman, hope everything will work out well for you.:-)
by Fran on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 01:52:14 AM EST
I shall miss Lasthorseman careening 'round the peripheries of Venn. But not too much. A body ought to rest a bit to ... reflect. Do do me the favor of leaving a clue, here or there, to life on the inside. Will you?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 03:41:30 AM EST
"What is behind that veil"
by Lasthorseman on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 05:30:12 PM EST
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I must say I've been very much moved by your now deleted diary. Although I didn't share your "tin foil hat" approach (and sometimes mocked it), I think you belong to this community and I sincerely hope to see you back on ET.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 09:19:21 AM EST
Goodbye and good luck... Until the fire burns and the Phoenix hatches and the halls of ET again resound with your tales, we will drink to your memory

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 09:38:54 AM EST
So, I heard a joke today.

Canadian, American, and a German went into a bar.  The American said, I'll have an American beer since I'm American", The German said he'd have a German beer since he was German.  The bartender looked at the Canadian and said, "I suppose you will have a Canadian Beer?"  the Canadian said, "no, I'll have a coke, if these guys are not going to drink, I won't either."

See you as you make your way through these tubes.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 03:01:11 PM EST
Ah, but what country are they all in?  Makes all the difference in beer selections.
by Lasthorseman on Mon Nov 17th, 2008 at 07:10:51 PM EST
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I do not retract anything good or bad, nor do I have regrets.  But I won't be commenting on future diaries.  

This is not a comment.  

Gaianne out.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 12:25:01 AM EST
interesting reason to stop commenting, Gaianne.

i remember wanting to delete a gbcw diary i wrote last winter, as i'd lost my cool in it on various occasions, and said things i really wasn't too keen on being a permanent part of ET history, but Migeru was adamant that only site admins could do that, and generally giving me the impression he felt much as you do, that it's bad manners, in some way.

personally i don't feel that strongly there's a strong case either way, but the real reason i'm posting now is too express my grief that you, Gaianne, will step back to lurking because of something one diarist does.

can it possibly be the case that this one incident should affect your decision so strongly, or was it the last straw after a chain of other factors?

maybe i'm paranoid, but i find it absolutely tragic that such a sensible, progressive, funny, wise, mature and uber-intelligent female voice is bowing out of our discussions, and i already miss de Anander so much, this is a horrible trend, if two events can a trend make...

at least it wasn't outright sexism that was the prompt, i guess, and though it's your natural right to do whatever you want for whatever reason, disclosed or not, i feel a wail of grief coming on, and would appreciate it so much if you would enlighten us more on whether the diary deletion was the only reason, or whether some other factors are in play regarding your decision.

not to rehash the discussion about female presence here at ET being such a minority we had a fortnight or so ago, i'll leave it at that, other than to heartily register my sadness at reading this last comment from one of my absolutely favourite posters here at ET.

it is gutting, unexpected, and seems wildly disproportionate to the elimination of one diary.

ergo my questions about whether that's the only cause...it doesn't add up.

of course there could be a host of other 'real-life' reasons, as simple as you have less time to do more than listen here, or that you'll move on to somewhere more attractive to your talents, but here is one case where i think a gbcw diary might be a a positive gift, seeing as i'm so puzzled and disappointed we lose a great voice and interlocutress over what seems a relatively trivial reason.

happy trails, Gaianne, it was a huge privilege to read your contributions these last years, i so hope you'll either change your mind, or at least illuminate us one last time with a clearer explanation of what was such bad netiquette.

because i have an awful feeling this is something deeper, that maybe if i weren't male, i might intuit easily.

what's next, fran, helen and metavision bailing?

are the 'others' of us not seeing something that's staring some right in the face?


ET archives are not the tablets of Moses, after all.

btw, anyone know if Migeru is ok?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 03:53:54 AM EST
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there are so many comments that have made me chuckle at the same time as making a cogent point tellingly as well as amusingly, but this one of a few days ago remains a jewel, imo.

in response to a question as to why we can't power society off of 'good radiation' such as from the sun, or some hot springs:

Comment responses

Fusion, but proper containment of the plasma, using the remarkable technology of stable and reliable gravitational fields.  A gas energy-transport buffer-blanket that conducts the energy from the reactor core to the power transport apparatus with no leakage of ionizing radiation.  Power-beam technology that conducts the energy from the reactor to the point of use with no line loss.  And not least, a design life of 10 to 15 billion years WITHOUT refueling.  

A prototype that works.  

i'll miss you bigtime, if you're ever in italy, please connect.


'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 04:15:05 AM EST
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Applies to Lasthorseman only.  

(Or to those who delete their diaries.)  

I would say more, especially as your words deserve more, but not here.  

See you in another thread . . . .

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 04:47:07 AM EST
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The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:04:45 AM EST
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whew, i was crashing sump'n terrible...

you're never garrulous, and always leave me wanting more.

thanks for your posts, they are a major light for sanity...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 at 07:09:14 PM EST
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I was rather taken aback on seeing that it had disappeared. I had put a lot of work into my comments.
Perhaps it had a salutory effect, stops one just plunging into discussion and makes one consider whether it's really worth all that time. But, like Martin Gardner, I enjoy the research and learning involved in argument. So last night I spent hours reading about ideology (some of which I'd read years ago), more than I needed for a comment in ValentinD's diary.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 05:41:08 AM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

Chiming in as a frontpager, and directing this at Lassthorsemen, yes, deleting diaries is bad form. As the Frontpager Duties page says:

Diary deletion

Sometimes users may feel strongly offended by a discussion on ET, or have second thoughts about posting a diary after a controversy developed in its comment threads. It has happened that in the heat of anger, a user has deleted his/her own diary.

However, by deleting a diary, the diarist doesn't just delete her/his own content: the comments of the diary will be lost, too. To prevent the deletion of more diaries along with the respective comment threads, any frontpager at hand can intervene to withdraw that diarist's right to delete own diaries. This measure only intends to protect others' comments, no negative repercussions follow to the diary-deleting user.

For the record, thus far there have been only two users who had to be stopped deleting own diaries.

In this case, it may be that unbeknowst to me, someone else already discussed this with Lasthorseman in email and the diary was born as a result. It also may be that Lasthorseman deleted it not due to controversy generated but private content, which may make it a borderline case -- can't tell though, haven't read that diary before deletion. (In such cases, a more proper thing to do would be to edit the diary by deleting such content from it, so that other people's comments won't be deleted.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 09:43:58 AM EST
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It was a very private diary. There were some interesting comments, but they went in the inevitably tangential directions.

I think it's unfortunate it was deleted, but I can completely understand why Lasthorseman decided to remove it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 10:26:17 AM EST
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Thanks for confirming that. Having quoted the full section on diary deletions, I should also make clear that Lasthorseman's right to delete own diaries was NOT withdrawn (nor is it planned to), it's not a case where I'd expect, eh, 'repeat offense' :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 10:32:48 AM EST
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Diary deletion is bad form.

Then again being the subject of an investigation is too.  The deletion came on the evening I learned there was an investigation.

A whirlwind of emotion caused me to post it in the first place and then later delete it.

by Lasthorseman on Tue Nov 18th, 2008 at 03:50:06 PM EST
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