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Has anyone read the Lisbon treaty? With poll!

by A swedish kind of death Mon Dec 29th, 2008 at 07:39:49 AM EST

Inspired by Franks latest diary, I started wondering how many that has actually read the Lisbon treaty.

I have not read the treaty myself. As is often the case I rely on second-hand sources. Now this might be even funnier if we cross it with point of view on the Lisbon treaty.

I have subdivided "read" into a) full extensive read, crosschecked with Nice to understand everything and b) read some. Their is of course gray-space between those two also, but I think it will suffice.

Now vote:


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So have you...
. Read the treaty, read Nice, compared, oppose Lisbon 0%
. Read the treaty, read Nice, compared, support Lisbon 5%
. Read the treaty, read Nice, compared, neither support or oppose 5%
. Read some of the treaty, oppose Lisbon 0%
. Read some of the treaty, support Lisbon 25%
. Read some of the treaty, neither support or oppose 15%
. Have not read the treaty, oppose Lisbon 5%
. Have not read the treaty, support Lisbon 15%
. Have not read the treaty, neither support or oppose 30%

Votes: 20
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Why is my poll so of centre?

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Dec 29th, 2008 at 07:41:25 AM EST
Because the story needs more long comments.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Dec 29th, 2008 at 07:56:58 AM EST
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I have read most of the constitutional treaty, voted for it in France in 2005, yet I find the way it was ratified in France, after a no vote, to be more or less a denial of democracy. I know some of the "no" vote campaign used doubtful arguments in 2005, but the same can be said of the "yes" campaign ; more problematic is that an important reason I voted yes was in the hope that it would enable popular legitimacy for the EU projects, and indeed for reforms moving away from neoliberalism. The Lisbon treaty, with the current process of adoption, which includes voluntary obfuscation, denial of former negative referendums, is killing the popular legitimacy for the European project. It seems "no" isn't an answer, and can only be caused by ignorance or misleading.

Well, a democracy that can't take "no" for an answer isn't doing very well. And further kicking it by ramming Lisbon through is hurting it more than the imbalances of Nice.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Dec 29th, 2008 at 08:04:54 AM EST
I superficially read the treaty, so I said "some". And I'd vote for it, but on the basis that it's an improvement, not that it's a good treaty.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 29th, 2008 at 08:05:06 AM EST
I have to admit it's my vote in "Not read and oppose." I understand that Lisbon treaty is supposed to improve EU's decision making. First more power to the parliament, only after that better "decision making". Not the other way around.
by kjr63 on Mon Dec 29th, 2008 at 11:49:01 AM EST
Yup. I've read both Nice and Lisbon. Am I an EU nut? Yes. And I support Lisbon 101%.

I think it's wrong however to object to it purely because it has some issues that haven't been adressed or could have been done differently. People need to be reminded that the EU is constantly evolving, and the Lisbon treaty isn't the treaty to end all treaties. Once it goes in to effect, the work towards creating the next treaty will most definitely begin.

by mastgrr on Mon Dec 29th, 2008 at 10:21:18 PM EST
I've read some of it. And I'm roughly in favour of it because there was more in the bits I read that I liked than there was I didn't like (most of it wasn't really that inspiring either way...).

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 01:34:04 PM EST


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