Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.

Moral Hazard

by rdf Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 09:45:18 AM EST

There has been a lot of discussion lately about moral hazard. This is the idea that if people get rescued when doing risky things they will be more inclined to do them in the future, as will others who see the results.

A good example is mountain climbing. Climbers know that they will be rescued and many thus engage in risky behavior. The US Parks service has tried to control this by requiring people to register before climbing and making unregistered climbs illegal. The penalty isn't specified on the web site. Imagine how much such risky behavior would decline if the penalty was that such climbers wouldn't be rescued if they got into trouble!

Moral hazard has become a popular topic in financial circles of late as financial firms get bailed out by central banks when their risky behavior goes wrong. The argument given to defend this rescue is that not doing so would drag others down as well.


I have two problems with the moral hazard argument when applied to businesses.

The first problem is that letting people fail now does not create a lesson for them in the future. When a child burns themselves on a hot stove they learn a lesson that they will remember. When a trader engages in some risky behavior, it is unlikely that this will be the same individual 30 years from now who repeats the activity. People learn from mistakes, institutions don't. Institutions "learn" by having rules and regulations created which incorporate the lessons from the past. This is the institutional memory. Those who are in favor of fewer regulations are not doing future generations any favors.

The second problem is that there is a separation between those taking the risk and those suffering the consequences. In the earliest days of capitalist enterprise owners bore all the risk of failure. Seventeenth and eighteenth Century English literature is filled with stories of men "ruined" when their business failed. To pay off their creditors they had to sell all their possessions and many times go into debtor's prison.

An innovation was the creation of the limited liability company where only the assets of the firm could be seized to pay debts, not those of the stockholders. This innovation made it much easier for owners to raise capital from others since the most they would risk was their original investment. At this point the first disconnect occurred. As time went on, it became apparent that most firms could not continue to be run by their founders or heirs. The enterprises became too big, or there were no suitable family members to take over. Companies brought in a new class of workers - professional managers. The disconnect was now complete.

Managers had no stake in the firm, they got their compensation for the job they did, not how well they did it. The problem with this model soon became apparent and a variety of techniques were devised to deal with this. The most common have been to tie (part) of the compensation to the company's performance. This is usually in the form of a performance bonus. Another popular technique is to award stock options to the managers under the theory that a successful firm will see its stock price go up and the managers will be able to cash in their options at a profit. It is also a low cost way for the firm since if the options aren't cashed in it costs the firm nothing.

Just as the firms saw the benefits of these new compensation schemes, so did the managers and they also saw the shortcomings. Tying options to stock price shifted the goals of managers from improving the behavior of the firm to manipulating the stock price. Lately this has gotten so out of hand that when the options fail to yield a profit the firms replace them with cheaper ones, so that even the indirect incentive to do well is removed. Salary compensation schemes have also been corrupted so that managers now get big payouts regardless of how the firm does. Wall Street calls these golden handshakes and golden parachutes.

There is one level of control available beyond compensation to control the risky behavior of managers, this is the possibility of criminal prosecution if their activity is not just risky, but illegal. This possibility has been effectively eliminated over the past several decades. The number of top managers who have been convicted of a crime and sent to prison is so small that it presents no deterrent. When illegal behavior is uncovered the firms usually pay a fine and promise not to repeat the behavior in the future. The managers suffer no consequences, in fact most don't even lose their jobs. The fine is paid by the stockholders, not the managers, as a subtraction from profits.

Now there are many investors these days who have lost large sums of money as the more risky financial schemes unwind. These people didn't devise the schemes, they just invested in them. Those who made the fees selling these instruments didn't take the risk, they had no incentive to behave prudently. This is as true for those buying structured investment vehicles as for poor, misinformed homeowners. This is another example of the separation of risk from reward. Moral hazard has no relevance.

If moral hazard is to mean anything then the separation between those taking the risks and those getting the rewards has to be removed. In addition law breaking has to be punished at the personal, not institutional level. Firms don't break laws, people do.

Lastly, the lessons learned from prior mistakes need to be codified in regulations. Moral hazard is eliminated by more regulation, not less. If a firm can't make a profit playing by the rules, then it shouldn't be in business. If it gets away with things then it forces other firms to break the rules as well in order to compete. This is not commerce it is corruption.

Display:
And the man wants comments on these  things. What on earth could we disagree with in that?

Actually, an interesting change in Irish law and practice recently has been to increase the risk of personal penalities for company directors where acts are illegal. Now, that's increasing the risk from zero to small, but still an improvement in some ways.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 10:14:27 AM EST
try saying something nice, like good diary, well argued, a useful complement to earlier diaries which criticised the the way the moral hazard argument is deployed, as in Handouts for the rich, good. Handouts for the poor, irresponsible

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 01:29:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
try saying something nice, like good diary, well argued, a useful complement to earlier diaries which criticised the the way the moral hazard argument is deployed, as in Handouts for the rich, good. Handouts for the poor, irresponsible

That is what I said.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 01:35:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
OK, my apologies - I'd better install the Colman translation programme.  Is it available as a Tribex extension? :-)

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 01:45:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think it's still in beta - something about a "grumpiness overflow error" when you try to use it.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 01:47:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fatherhood can also be a good solution - a few nights of balling babies with assorted ailments - can induce a sense of exasperated serenity often mistaken for shock.  Let's hope the Tribex teething problems are sorted...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 02:12:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I believe Migeru refers to it as Bad Colemantm.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 04:28:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry, Colman, not Coleman.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 04:29:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not Colman's Mustard?  Does he cut the mustard? Is his wisdom like the mustard seed?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 04:46:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
colmudgeon ?

The difference between theory and practise in practise ...
by DeAnander (de_at_daclarke_dot_org) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 09:12:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Another example would be houses built by developers. There is no financial motivation to make the houses energy efficient because the developers will not be paying the energy bills for the next 50 years.

Only regulation for minimum energy efficiency can solve that one. Or tax relief.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 11:20:18 AM EST
True, nothing unusual about the fact that consumers are the ones that need to ask how their energy bills are going to be for the next 50 years.

Only taxing the sin will solve the energy efficiency problems (IMHO). Then the best most cost efficient ideas will come to the market.

Sort of like that fiasco with low flush toilets...
By the way how many gallons does the typical European Lou contain?

Rutherfordian ------------------------------ RDRutherford

by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 06:04:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I think a few of you in the saner parts of the world may not be aware of the discussion happening here in panic central (USA).

Both Paulson and Bernanke have made statements that bear on moral hazard. Even the great god Milton Friedman's beliefs are being questioned in some quarters.

So I thought it was appropriate to look at the idea of moral hazard as a viable concept altogether. I find myself these days discussing (well not actually discussing, since I never get any replies) many of the terms that economists use without defining.

I've dealt with "savings" vs "spending" before, without much luck. A good sample of what the mood is like can be gathered from following Paul Krugman's NY Times blog. He's liberal, but likes to comment on the conventional (conservative) wisdom, while never questioning the fundamentals of market capitalism itself.

Resume discussing mustard, which, by the way, no longer comes in an all metal can (at least around here).

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 05:51:55 PM EST
Yes, they talk about moral hazard as it supposedly relates to business, while ignoring the intra-business moral hazard. From wiki:
Moral hazard is the prospect that a party insulated from risk may behave differently from the way it would behave if it were fully exposed to the risk. Moral hazard arises because an individual or institution does not bear the full consequences of its actions, and therefore has a tendency to act less carefully than it otherwise would, leaving another party to bear some responsibility for the consequences of those actions. For example, an individual with insurance against automobile theft may be less vigilant about locking his car, because the negative consequences of automobile theft are (partially) borne by the insurance company.

Moral hazard is related to asymmetric information, a situation in which one party in a transaction has more information than another. The party that is insulated from risk generally has more information about its actions and intentions than the party paying for the negative consequences of the risk. More broadly, moral hazard occurs when the party with more information about its actions or intentions has a tendency or incentive to behave inappropriately from the perspective of the party with less information.

A special case of moral hazard is called a principal-agent problem, where one party, called an agent, acts on behalf of another party, called the principal. The agent usually has more information about his actions or intentions than the principal does, because the principal usually cannot perfectly monitor the agent. The agent may have an incentive to act inappropriately (from the view of the principal) if the interests of the agent and the principal are not aligned.

There is a principal-agent problem in business. That is exactly what you are describing. So you do not disagree with the concept of moral hazard, but rather with the way in which the concept is being applied. Foundational criticism would have to go a bit deeper.

You also underestimate the awareness in ET of the current 'discussion' in the US on financial matters, we had a stream of diaries on that.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 06:19:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, he wrote "If moral hazard is to mean anything then the separation between those taking the risks and those getting the rewards has to be removed. In addition law breaking has to be punished at the personal, not institutional level. Firms don't break laws, people do."

So as I read it, it's the misapplication that is the point--so, if I've got this right (big if there! ;) if one looks at the concept "moral hazard" one discovers that the hazard is of being ripped off by those with more power; and companies may have power, but it is only such that individuals can benefit--with no humans left, the companies could get by on their own, with that dog-deer-humans-dancing-falling-over- animal they've built that Loefing posted--those will be their pets--the ones that built their masters--

So--I see it (robert's diary) as an attempt to deconstruct the concept such that its key elements are clear, and then look at how they can be put together--so faults are with the construction or the deconstruction (might be destruction either way--);

I'm interested in the (de)construction, it makes sense at times to stop and have a look at something, carefully work out the various parts, how they interact.

So if the theme is moral hazard, then yeah, you have to be responsible for your mistakes.

But as that tends to go very heavy on the population--no traffic lights, no glasses, no--

Why no glasses?  Because the concept of being made to pay for your every last mistake is biblical in its judgements--ye have all sinned!  Rather, those in power should simply and every day face the risk of dealing--unarmed, unprotected by any coteries, retinues, armies, militias, or other forms of armour--with the average person--maybe me or you or Robert--such that we personally can hold them to account via the laws of the land--there go those pigs--

Coz lawyers protect you from moral hazard--and they all work for the rich because money also protects you from moral hazard, as does a small milita--unless someone else turns up with better lawyers, more money, and a bigger militia.

Whereas, social structures that teach and practice best practice--praxis--should generate best practice, which can then improve and a virtuouso spiral riseth.

Would be how I'd put it, which is why I don't comment much in these kinds of diaries--all terms (for me) are attempts to nail down water.  Or wood, or rock, or plastic, so sometimes nails are good--they fix things into position, with precision, and the sound is whack whack whack,

I dunno....I think the idea in robert's diaries is to move a step back from the he said/she said and make sure we're all in agreement about what the terms we're using mean, so he sets up his stall and other viewpoints can set up theirs in the comments--maybe I got it all wrong--probably!

Me, I always bang my fingers when using heavy hammers, and if there are rocks, stones, or other sharp and heavy objects I bang into them--

Heh!  Nanne!  I hope you don't mind me going tangential below your comment, and robert, I'm sure I got it all wrong, but I hope you both like these:



Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 08:10:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
When people go off a tangent they deviate which is odd considering that tangents are straight lines.

There is some good stuff in rdf's diary, like on institutional learning. It's good to think about that.

Free marketeers will reply that the institutional learning comes from businesses failing, others succeeding, ignoring that a systemic crisis which causes a severe downturn once every 30 years cannot exactly set any kind of incentives for the day to day business of a stock company.

We've had that discussion, I think.

The thing is that the institutional rules set down as a case of learning are also baggage and their dissolution is therefore lobbied. And the political system in the US is institutionally corrupt. New regulation will collapse again in this setting.

What we'd need is a fundamental change in thinking that emphasises long-term viability and resilience at least as much as efficiency.

rdf and I pretty much agree on that, I suppose.

And I don't know about glasses, but we really do need no driving lights.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 09:09:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think the concept of moral hazard is much debated in popular european debate unless one includes the tabloid rantings against "welfare scroungers" who avoid work because welfare payments allow them to survive without work, or single mothers who get pregnant to claim child allowances etc.

This sort of commentary is usually the preserve of right wing media or racist comments which imply that other people are not like "us" and abuse "our" generousity.  There may indeed be a legitimate area of debate - particularly in economic theory - but most people avoid the topic because of its racist, moralistic, class warfare or neo-liberal overtones.  

Most would start off on the basis that people have certain entitlements as of right, it's nobody else's business to question their motivations, or integrity; and that if the concept of moral hazard is to be applied at all, it should be applied to corporate entities which act to maximise their benefits for any given level of risk, and who would therefore be more likely to act irresponsibly in the absence of effective sanctions for so doing.

So I'm not surprised that few Europeans would engage with you on what might seem to them a morally dubious right wing agenda item insofar as it tends to be applied to those in need of social supports.  The issue of speculative investors being sheltered from the risks they have taken on would be viewed in a different light entirely.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 07:03:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey Robert.
I have been enjoying your endless search of knowledge, but from my view, you seem to be only learning about how to pontificate on high but not really learning anything in the mean time.

I have hesitated to respond to any of your posts since you have always had a pattern of pontificating but not participating in any actual discussions-especially if someone hold different views than you. You start out with:

People learn from mistakes, institutions don't. Institutions "learn" by having rules and regulations created which incorporate the lessons from the past. This is the institutional memory. Those who are in favor of fewer regulations are not doing future generations any favors.
Actually that sounds a little backward looking and thus not very efficient. I also think that you have fallen into a the BO trap of thinking that regulations can only be defined as more or less. Even you would not necessarily agree with 100% regulation that entails a Socialist State. Also you seem to forget that even the lessons from the past may no longer be valid since the market and society has changed. Regulations need to be changing to adapt to the changing environment.
If moral hazard is to mean anything then the separation between those taking the risks and those getting the rewards has to be removed. In addition law breaking has to be punished at the personal, not institutional level. Firms don't break laws, people do.
So I wonder why you have a problem when in avoiding moral hazards the person taking the risks needs to face the consequences to the degree they deserve.

But I wonder if you really can square these statements with the ones above. "Law breaking has to be punished at the personal level" because "people learn from mistakes" but then why is regulations directed at institutions when "Firms don't break laws" and should not be punished for breaking laws?
From my experience, institutions learn and adapt to regulations that in essence makes them obsolete or inappropriate for the present environment. So those that scream all day about MORE regulations are self delusional and ultimately the creators of self-defeating rules and regulations.

Rutherfordian ------------------------------ RDRutherford

by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 05:58:39 PM EST
Here's what I get as the libertarian or free market argument. I'll use the current airline screwup in the US as an example.

  1. Planes need to be serviced regularly.
  2. This is expensive, so scrimping makes a firm more profitable than competitors.
  3. Scrimping will eventually lead to a failure.
  4. Failure will lead to deaths
  5. Deaths will lead to a loss of business as people migrate to safer airlines.
  6. The airline that scrimped either goes out of business or reforms.
  7. QED the free market "worked".

What's wrong with this picture? How about all the dead people it took until the market corrected?

Now here's my version.

  1. Planes need to be serviced regularly.
  2. This is expensive, so scrimping makes a firm more profitable than competitors.
  3. Scrimping will eventually lead to a failure.
-->4. Failure is unacceptable so regulations are created (hopefully before a disaster) that require servicing.
-->5. Regulations need to be created by experts. Under the best conditions this would be the airline maker, since they don't want to see their planes fail.
-->6. Regulations need to be enforced. The (modified) libertarian position (which admits that inspections are necessary) will have the firms set their own enforcement. This is the business-based ideas favored by the present administration. It hasn't worked out too well in the banking sector.
-->7. Since cheating on enforcement also provides an advantage to the firm scrimping it is necessary to have a neutral third party do the enforcement. In a functioning democracy this is the role of government. In a corrupt regime no regulations are safe.
-->8. The free market was a myth, but nobody died. Also cheaters did not steal from those playing by the rules.

Economic conservatives always think of "eventually", but as Keynes said: "eventually we are all dead". Policies must prevent harm now, not just eventually.

RR. If you want people to engage in a discussion, it is best not to start off by insulting them. Any comments of yours which refer to the poster, their style, mindset or attitude don't deserve a reply. Ad hominem arguments don't win the battle of ideas. I've made an exception this time, since you seem not to have been around much and perhaps you've forgotten.

Also just because a person has opinions doesn't mean that one is obligated to discuss them. I don't debate flat earthers, no matter how sure of their beliefs they are.


Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Mon Apr 14th, 2008 at 10:26:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
RR. If you want people to engage in a discussion, it is best not to start off by insulting them. Any comments of yours which refer to the poster, their style, mindset or attitude don't deserve a reply. Ad hominem arguments don't win the battle of ideas. I've made an exception this time, since you seem not to have been around much and perhaps you've forgotten.

Also just because a person has opinions doesn't mean that one is obligated to discuss them. I don't debate flat earthers, no matter how sure of their beliefs they are.

Don't worry about me Robert. I was just trying to give some advice to you since it seems that you wanted more response to your diary. Actually if you notice I also give compliments as easily.

As far as your well designed and enumerated flow diagrams, this does not address the questions I had in my post above.

I guess maybe I should respond to your points with my own Utopian flow diagram:

  1. Planes need to be serviced regularly.
  2. Servicing is important for maintaining fuel efficiency and the general safety of the planes.
  3. Customers will decide to purchase flights from Airlines that provide not only the services they want but also safety features.
  4. Independent businesses will evaluate the safety records of the airlines to show which provides the best overall safety for the dollars spent. This independence is more independent than a government organization that can be politicized since its record is also on the line.
  5. Insurance companies will evaluate risks based on these independent reports as well as their inspections of repair logs. Thus they will encourage the most cost effective solutions for solving safety issues.
  6. All parties have a self serving interest to maintain high levels of safety without pricing the services out of range of normal people to afford.
  7. Thus the firms that are able to provide the best services at the highest value win in the market and those that can't should change or move their resources into something they are better at.

Again, regulation for regulation sake is neither efficient or actually help consumers. I hope you think about the following statement:
Good regulations promotes market efficiency and Bad regulations destroys markets.


Rutherfordian ------------------------------ RDRutherford
by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 01:31:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Utopian indeed, but highly presumptuous upon the perfect and long-term nature of the people in command...and an educated public. In this case there are few clearer examples for economist George Akerlof's discussions on information asymmetry The_Market_for_Lemons .

Given that and the horrid record that capitalism has for failing to short-term solutions when problems poke their omnipresent heads, I would go for the government role in creating logical regulations for corporate behavior, and regulations that allow for self-certification if associated with mandatory in-house training (in the field and in the ethics of holding the standard) plus mandatory outside inspections. Much like what Robert enumerated, but well into the ISO 9001 mentality.

As far as your simpering attempt to excuse your ridiculous try at cleverness while bashing Robert, give it up. Neither the bashing nor the excuse create your desired effect.


Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 08:34:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
siegestate, yes I believe that you get the idea of asymmetrical information problems and how they can manifest in a market. But although these problems can hamper the efficiency of a market it does not mean that no markets are formed. Take the asymmetrical markets of used cars. We still have used car markets and a variety of market solutions have been developed including some business models as well as information clearing houses.

So maybe you get what I mean by market enhancing regulations vs market destroying regulations. If it is to overcome asymmetrical information for consumers then some could be actually beneficial. Of course it could also become an undue burden to small businesses.

As far as "the horrid record that capitalism has", by what standard are you judging it? It seems that all human endeavors are not 6 sigma no matter how much we live in that Utopian world. How did the alternative system work out?

As far as bashing, ask Robert what he thinks of Economists and Libertarians.

Rutherfordian ------------------------------ RDRutherford

by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 02:19:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Has the current example of the biggest world wide failure of self regulation (in the financial sector) in almost 100 years had no effect on you?

The private insurance, rating, underwriting, and banking sectors all conspired together. The inability to see what is before their noses is what makes dealing with utopian libertarians such a waste of time.

By the way, who is bailing out the mess - the government.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 09:26:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Has the current example of the biggest world wide failure of self regulation (in the financial sector) in almost 100 years had no effect on you?
How do you judge "biggest"? On what basis do you consider it? And how does it compare to the other events?

For us, we are in the process of purchasing a condo for nearly 1/2 off its price from as short as a year ago. We were busy saving money and now we found a good 15 year fixed mortgage at a great rate. The overall market is down a some but is allowing me to regroup some investments. Also it is a good time for mergers and acquisitions. Just made some nice profits from Yahoo news of being bought out by Microsoft. Still have some shares and am making some profits on covered call for now. Stocks I follow...Yahoo

The private insurance, rating, underwriting, and banking sectors all conspired together. The inability to see what is before their noses is what makes dealing with utopian libertarians such a waste of time.
Do you have proof of all conspiring together. If you have been paying attention to your own diary you should have been able to see the moral hazards does not even imply a conspiracy only that people may be looking out for their own self interest which may not be the best outcome for the market.

I am not sure who is more utopian between the two, but I can not honestly say that it must be someone else when you talk about utopian libertarians. Heck the least favorite of my candidates was Ron Paul and their is no way I am voting for the candidate for Libertarian party if the one person mentioned so far gets their endorsement.

By the way, who is bailing out the mess - the government.
You might want to elaborate on those issues.

Getting back to the topic of your diary, maybe you can peruse the following articles:
King refuses to bail banks out of toxic mess
Toxic shock: how the banking industry created a global crisis

A better article about Mervyn King is at the Wall Street Journal, and I think you can still download the PDF from my class site: http://vle.londonexternal.ac.uk/cefims/2008/s1/2008s1C225.nsf/alldocs/20080201-DOMM-7BEKAS/$file/WSJ -BoE.pdf

Bank of England Chief
Changes Tack in Crisis
Mr. King Scolded Lenders
But Had to Rescue Them;
Now He's in Jeopardy
By JOELLEN PERRY and GREG IP
January 28, 2008; Page A1
...
Mervyn King, the silver-haired governor of the Bank of England, has guaranteed himself a chapter in future textbooks on central banking. The lesson: Standing on principle is a dangerous game. In the years of financial euphoria, Mr. King stood out as a scold. In August, he admonished British financiers that "interest rates aren't a policy instrument to protect unwise lenders from the consequences of their unwise decisions." When money markets froze and the Federal Reserve and European Central Bank pumped in billions of credit, Mr. King at first refused to follow suit. "The
provision of large liquidity," he said later, "encourages herd behavior, and increases the intensity
of future crises." But events overwhelmed Mr. King's principles. In September, Britain weathered its first bank run in more than a century, on Northern Rock.
Days later, Mr. King, believing the financial system was threatened, launched the kind of cash injections he had criticized. The British press dubbed him "Swervin' Mervyn." Willem Buiter of the London School of Economics and Political Science, a former member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy Committee, says the BOE "deepened the crisis" because of Mr. King's "strong moralistic streak."
Over the weekend, a parliamentary committee reporting on Northern Rock declared itself "unconvinced" that Mr. King's stance was appropriate, and said the BOE should have "adopted a more proactive response" to the loss
of confidence in money markets. The report also said the U.K.'s chief regulator, the Financial Services Authority, had "systematically failed in its duty as a regulator" and the whole affair had been "damaging to the financial services industry in the United Kingdom." The report recommended creating a new high-level central-bank post to oversee expanded financial stability powers, including a fund to protect deposits.
...
Mr. King confronted a dilemma that central bankers always face in a crisis: Let financial fires blaze until they extinguish themselves, or try to put out the fire -- even if that encourages investors to keep playing with matches. Central bankers loathe contributing to "moral hazard," a term coined by 19th-century insurers to describe the recklessness that is encouraged by protecting individuals from the consequences of their bad decisions.
Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke -- Mr. King's office neighbor when they both taught economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the 1980s -- faced the same quandary last August, but set aside concerns about moral hazard and repeatedly injected cash and cut interest rates to cushion the economy. Last week, he responded unusually overtly to market concerns with a surprise 0.75-percentage-point rate cut.
Return of Sanity
Many central bankers initially welcomed the market's downturn last summer as a much-needed return of sanity. Mr. King had already been saying that lending standards had become too lax and investors too complacent. One symptom: the ease with which even dicey debtors could borrow.
Citing a spam email he received -- "We have the solution, Mervyn, for your bankruptcy" -- he hectored London bankers and merchants last June: "'Be cautious about how much you borrow' is not a bad maxim for each and every one of us here tonight."
He cast the emerging crisis as the consequence of imprudent behavior encouraged over the years by repeated, government-backed bailouts. "I do not believe that moral hazard is just some dry academic concept," he told Parliament last September. "It is moral hazard that has actually led us to where we are....If you always provide ex-post insurance you can be quite sure that in five or 10 years' time another crisis will come. That is exactly what we have seen in the last 20 years."



Rutherfordian ------------------------------ RDRutherford
by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 03:18:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I know this is an arguable side-issue, and this is a long comment, but it involves a couple of incredible stories, so indulge me, or just read the opening point:

A good example is mountain climbing. Climbers know that they will be rescued and many thus engage in risky behavior. The US Parks service has tried to control this by requiring people to register before climbing and making unregistered climbs illegal. The penalty isn't specified on the web site. Imagine how much such risky behavior would decline if the penalty was that such climbers wouldn't be rescued if they got into trouble!

Actually it's not so clear that it is a good example. SOME no doubt do it because they expect to get rescued if in problems, but who knows if this is the case for "many"? Mountains were climbed long before helicopters  existed and when there wasn't much hope of speedy rescue on high, difficult climbs. I still remember a passage in a book I read decades ago about the north face of the Eiger, "The White Spider" by H. Harrer, in which a young climber freezes to death, just out of reach of rescuers. Here's another version of the story:

By 1935 all the great north faces in the Alps had been climbed. Except one.

The first two emissaries from the East arrived here in August of 1935. Max Sedlmayer and Karl Mehringer hiked to the base of the Eiger's wall and in two days climbed halfway to the top, displaying the boldest, most technically proficient climbing ever seen in the Western Alps. They then froze to death in a storm. The site of their final ordeal has been known as Death Bivouac ever since, and Mehringer's body sat there entombed in snow and ice until it was discovered in 1962.

Four more Germans and Austrians came the following summer, in two pairs of two. They met and joined up on the mountain, and in a brilliant display of navigation, they discovered a line of weakness on the lower face, which is somewhat easier than the route followed by Sedlmayer and Mehringer. The four made it almost as high as Death Bivouac when they turned back...All four were climbing down, slowly and carefully, when disaster struck. Below them was a section of rock on which they had used a special trick: the leader had traversed across smooth rock using tension from the rope. Now they had to reverse the tension traverse - but there was no place to fix the rope in this direction. As they searched for a solution, one of them slipped, plunging to his death. Another was pulled up to the piton, where he froze. A third strangled in the rope. Toni Kurz was still alive, trapped on the overhanging rock.
...

The next day four Swiss guides made it to within 130 feet of Kurz. They found him hanging from the rope, one hand and arm frozen solid, and eight-inch icicles dripping from the crampon points on his feet. But his voice was strong. The guides told him he had to somehow climb down to his dead partner, use his ice axe to cut the body free from the rope, climb back up as high as he could get, then split the rope he'd recovered into its major strands, tie these together, and lower the cord to the rescuers so that they could attach a stronger rope that he could then pull up and lower himself on. It was asking a lot of a hypothermic climber with a frozen arm and hand, but eventually Kurz managed every step. To separate the strands he used his teeth and one good hand. This took him five hours and gained him a cord just long enough to reach his rescuers. They attached a strong rope, and slowly Kurz pulled it up with his teeth and one hand. But the rescue rope wasn't long enough, so the guides tied on another. Eventually Kurz pulled the first rope up, and somehow he managed to attach his carabiner rappeling system, another Eastern innovation. Slowly he crept down the free-hanging rope until he reached the knot between the rescue ropes. And there the carabiner jammed. He fought and fought while his strength was running out; he even tried to chew the knot into suppleness, his teeth chattering against the metal carabiner. A guide climbed onto the shoulders of another guide and was able to touch Kurz's crampons with his ice axe. And then Kurz said quite clearly, "I can do no more," and slumped over dead.

I hate that story.

But that's where I'll be early tomorrow morning, at the Hinterstoisser Traverse, named for the Bavarian climber who pioneered the irreversible crossing. Today I'll be climbing past where two Italians fell in the summer of 1938, bringing the total death count up to eight even before the face was climbed.

Eiger

Even with helicopters, climbers can still just fall to their deaths, especially those who choose to climb solo or "free". Climbers today try new challenges, sometimes in remote areas with little hope of any form of rescue. The film "Touching the Void" tells the story of such a climb and the incredible survival of the one who was injured:

The movie is about Joe Simpson and Simon Yates, two Brits in their mid-20s who were determined to scale the forbidding west face of a mountain named Siula Grande, in the Peruvian Andes. They were fit and in good training, and bold enough to try the "one push" method of climbing, in which they carried all their gear with them instead of establishing caches along the route. They limited their supplies to reduce weight, and planned to go up and down quickly.

It didn't work out that way. Snowstorms slowed and blinded them. The ascent was doable, but on the way down, the storms disoriented them and the drifts concealed the hazard of hidden crevices and falls. Roped together, they worked with one man always anchored, and so Yates was able to hold the rope when Simpson had a sudden fall. But it was disastrous: He broke his leg, driving the calf bone up through the knee socket. Both of them knew that a broken leg on a two-man climb, with rescue impossible, was a death sentence, and indeed Simpson tells us he was rather surprised that Yates decided to stay with him and try to get him down.
...

[But at least he will have learned his lesson - right? Er, no:]

We learn at the end that after two years of surgery Simpson's leg was repaired, and that (but you anticipated this, didn't you?) he went back to climbing again. Learning this, I was reminded of Boss Gettys' line about Citizen Kane: "He's going to need more than one lesson." I hope to God the rest of his speech does not apply to Simpson: "... and he' s going to get more than one lesson."

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040206/REVIEWS/402060305/1023



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 05:02:21 PM EST
yup, mountain climbing is a rather bad example of moral hazard. If the consequences of fall off a mountainside aren't enough to encourage you to take safety precautions, I'm not sure what will. And serious mountaineers are just plain nuts. A teenage memory burned in my mind:

An old college era friend of my mom's visiting, the two of them reminiscing over a few drinks. A yes, remember her, how did she die again; oh yeah that guy such a silly way to go; so how's he doing these days - avalanche, really... And on and on it went.  The kicker: a year later that friend was dead as well.  

by MarekNYC on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 05:31:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heinrich Harrer's definitive Eiger history, The White Spider. ... included, "Climbing is the most royal irrationality out of which Man, in his creative imagination, has been able to fashion the highest personal values. Those personal values, which we gain from our approach to the mountains, are great enough to enrich our life. Is not the irrationality of its very lack of purpose the deepest argument for climbing?"

 Shortly after the Italians died in 1938, Harrer himself made the first ascent of the Eiger's north face. He was perhaps the least experienced climber in what started as two rival teams of Austrians and Germans and merged into one rope of four. Anderl Heckmair emerged as their leader, and together they climbed brilliantly up the face in four days, the last two of which were spent in storm."

Eiger

Yes, "mountaineers are nuts" :-)

Just came across this coincidence:


[Simpson, see Touching the Void above] discovered climbing after reading Heinrich Harrer's classic account of the first ascent of the Eiger North Face, The White Spider.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20031116/ai_n12750211



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 05:51:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
My parents gave me the book as a Christmas present when I was eleven or twelve. Didn't quite have the same effect. I've done tons of hiking and some climbing and mountaineering but none of the serious stuff - too damn scary, not too mention too damn difficult - I have neither the head, nor the balance, nor the muscles for it.  That said, basic climbing is very safe - about the only danger is on a traverse where you can end up turning into a swinging pendulum and slam into some rock; that or at the very beginning if you're climbing lead.
by MarekNYC on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 02:53:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes very interesting post indeed.
But in defense of Robert, it sometimes is hard to find the perfect examples of Moral Hazard where the "victims" do not suffer at least some degree. Banks that foreclose now get about 50% of the principle they lent out back.

Even if some climbers fall or die on the mountains, many amateur climbers carry cell phones and other communication devices to contact in case of emergency. So now days there is an increased chance of being rescued even in some remote locations.

Moral hazard is that the people that choose behavior that is risky do not suffer all the consequences of their actions. Thus these many amateur mountain climbers should have all suffered death for their stupidity.

Of course we live in a compassionate environment where even Larry Hagman got a liver...

Rutherfordian ------------------------------ RDRutherford

by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Tue Apr 15th, 2008 at 06:45:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But you ignore the point that many climbers took risks before there was as much rescue as there is now, also many took risks exploring for centuries where there was no chance of rescue. I don't think most people think - it'll be OK if there's a problem - I'll get rescued, they just don't think there will be a problem.

 The problem is with careless people just not thinking, especially young guys, rather than people relying on others to rescue them. Thus in one US area the problem is not so much with climbers, who tend to  assess the risks and climb within their limits, but with ignorant hikers who aren't aware there could be a problem - till weather changes suddenly, etc.:


Some worry that free soloists create extraordinary risks for rescuers, but the experience at Yosemite Valley, the navel of the rock-climbing world, suggests that it is the misguided hiker, not climbers, who are the problem.

"Climbers make up a very small portion of rescues, and even smaller proportion of our fatalities," Adrienne Freeman, a Yosemite spokeswoman, said in a telephone interview. "Contrary to public perception, climbers are very responsible for themselves."

NYT




Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:20:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I don't think that either myself or Robert discounts the superman feelings of young people but still think there is some fraction is that some (not all) have calculated that they will be rescued if they get into trouble-otherwise they would not take radios and cell phones with them.

And yes from I have heard, intermediate skiers are the ones most likely to break their bones. Experts know better, beginners are cautious thus those in between think they know but do not know their limitations.

Rutherfordian ------------------------------ RDRutherford

by Ronald Rutherford (rdrradio1 -at- msn -dot- com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 05:17:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]


Display:
Go to: [ European Tribune Homepage : Top of page : Top of comments ]