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by poemless Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 01:33:52 PM EST
I. Can't. Believe. It.
Promoted by Migeru
He got in his helicopter and flew away. Just like that. ... it's over.
No longer Whitey House, that has a good ring to it, n'est pa? "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
i still hold to the truth that everyman is innocent until proven guilty,
do you want us to have a whip round to buy you a replacement pair? Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
"Farewell, douchebag." Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
oh joy! 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
Let the joyous news be spread: The wicked old witch at last is dead.
The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Poetry is great to have at an inauguration. Maybe there'll be a Secretary of the Arts sometime in the US.
But the key thing was all those people and their sense of history.
I ventured to my good friend upstairs "What if the Crips and Bloods were so inspired as to give up their violence, but stay together to help instead of hinder?" I felt that it was that inspiring, in this zeitgeist. You can't be me, I'm taken
(Extradition to Iraq is still my favourite option, on torture charges) Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have high hopes for civil prosecutions, on the other hand. If someone can successfully sue for their take-out coffee being too hot then surely there are grounds for suit for being tortured. She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
Cheney will continue his duties as Number 2 and "Rover" operative. keep to the Fen Causeway
(via Aravosis) Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
That ain't right. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
You can't be me, I'm taken
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
"wait a sec...but us, we gotta live with the same one we have?" The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
So many stereotypes which will take weeks, if not months, to reconstruct! The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
What can you do with that. I'd sit and criticise but I have half an idea he's going to do a little Irish diplomacy and give some real socialism to Americans without them being able to figure it out. (Which is btw clearly what is needed...)
For those who don't know, as per my da, Irish diplomacy is the ability to inform a man of his need to go to hell such that he look forward to the trip... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
"Well, look, it's important to remember that Hitler was kind to his dog. Aaaaaaaand he did, uh, I think, have a strong interest in fine art...." Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
The Producers quotes - Mel Brooks Zero Mostel, Gene Wilder, Kenneth Mars
Franz Liebkind: Hitler... there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in ONE afternoon! TWO coats!
But not two.
I hope Obama will surprise me. I hope so. Until then, I withold judgment on where he sits, in terms of economic and social justice, to the right or the left of Sarkozy. I think the left, but given the economic team he's chose, not obvious.
One thing is really exciting though, and no amount of obfuscation can take this away, that a man who is son of an African immigrant would be President of the US, I never thought I would see this. We Europeans would do well to make this possible here too, instead of continuing to stigmatise. That for me is really the veritable magic of the moment, one step for us all to equality.
The rest, we shall see... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Le Pen is an artifact of how democracy works here. The outcome was bad, but the process, I'm not ashamed of that, and the second round...what did Le Pen get?
No, that wasn't a mistake. Jospin would have been better than Chirac, but Chirac was better than what, for example, the Worker's Party in England was inflicting on Europe. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
The big mistake was his reelection - that's what Americans were making up for in 2008 when they elected Obama. Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
I think even "heckuva job" Brownie is able to do that...
Mitterand...Europe could do far worse than Mitterand, especially what he first tried (but what he proved was that in an integrated europe you can't do real socialism unless all of europe does. Lesson learned...and Prodi and Delors learned it well.)
Giscard? Again, difference of opinion, compared to the Thatcher the english came up with though...not the worst.
Pompidou? At least a famous wife, in many regards.... De Gaulle? At least he got english membership in the eec correctly. We're still paying the price for ignoring his veto.
How far am I supposed to go back? The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
OK, just to make a point. Sarkozy is our mix between Cheney, Bush and Berlusconi. He is proof that we can elect just as bas as those countries. Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
<bangs head off the wall repeatedly>
In England, someone of pakistani origin in the same position, or maybe west indian.
In Germany, a turk. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
In one sense Obama is riding on the coattails of the native African-American population, on another he's the beneficiary of being a recent immigrant without a slave background and being half well-connected white.
That's a very good point. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
It's just nonsensical: most immigrants have started off poor and uneducated and it takes time to overcome that to the extent that they have the connections required to make it in politics.
Good god. Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
I am sure I have NO IDEA what you are even talking about! The only Native Americans I am aware of are ... er, Native Americans. You know, the people already here when the white men and their slaves showed up. Everyone else is immigrants, their descendants, descendants of slaves, or, as most Americans, incl. Obama, some combination of the above. Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Sheesh. Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
Obama is "US-born".
Sheesh. Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Allowing native-born children of immigrants as small-n native Americans would be too loose to create an effective tribalism, but going more than two or three generations back would normally sacrifice too many potential nativist allies. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
Q: Why does the sun never set on the British Empire?
A: Because God doesn't trust and Englishman in the dark.
Also, while it's now though he's descendent from the civil rights movement, it was originally quite the opposite. The things we now think benefit him originally made things more difficult for him.
Please, elaborate. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
he explicitly came to Chicago because it was the center of black politics in America.
Is that so? How do you know Chicago was the center of black politics in America ...given the facts of black politics in America? Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
just admit that everything you know about black politics in America amounts to a Frontline campaign biopic whose setting is ...
a city some call the "capital of black America," to work as a community organizer and try to sort out his dual identities. Colleagues say that after a few years he had found peace with who he was, but had become frustrated by his inability to change the larger structural problems behind the poverty he saw in Chicago's South Side.
...thanks to 70 years of DNC electioneering itself epitomized by a mayoral mafia --I mean, going back to FDR, Farley, and yella dog Ed Kelly-- and slum lords Rezko and Jarrett. The bright spots of egalitarian justice being H. Washington and Mosely-Braun.
Of course Frontline implies "center of black politics" in the Shakespearean sense of "black," right? Dismal by comparison to black politics in any other state since Reconstruction.
See, I hafta follow Barry's PIRG line from NYC through a classified ad to the windy city. It's more believable. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
You obviously have an issue with this topic
What topic?
please don't take your attitude out on me.
What attidude? Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
I might be able to compile a bibliography of less than 3,500 words. Over the next few weeks. Let me give that a whirl. hmmm, random selection from the stacks ...
Jan Carew, Fulcrums of Change (1988)
Peter Martyr, the first major historian of the Americas, and a reasonably reliable source considering that he never set foot in the Indies or the mainland territories, mentions in passing that the Pinzón brothers of whom Martin Alonso was Columbus' chief pilot and one of his principal partners in his "Enterprise of the Indies," were everywhere known as "Negro Pinzóns." These brothers, as both their Spanish names and their reputations as renowned seamen indicates, were Afro-Spanish and middle-class. They were also much better off financially than Columbus since they could afford to make a substantial monetary investment in his first voyage. ... After the first voyage, the chronicle of the Black presence takes on new dimensions: In 1513, thirty Negroes helped Balboa hack his way throught the tropical undergrowth to reach the Pacific Ocean. There were Black soldiers with Ponce de Leon, when he set out to find the Fountain of Youth, and inadvertantly landed on the Florida coast. Langston Hughes in his Famous Negro Heroes of America [1958], wrote: 'When Hernando Cortez invaded Mexico in 1519, one of the Negroes in his army of 700 found in his ration of rice one day some grains of wheat. These he planted, and is so credited with introducing the first wheat onto the mainland of the New World. And by 1523 there were so many Negroes in Mexico that it was decided to limit their entrance since it was thought they might try to seize the ruling powers from the Spaniards --as indeed some in 1537 were accused of plotting to do.' ... Herrera [y Tordesillas, Antonio] had actually lived and travelled extensively in the New World. Here is his chronicle of events that took place between 1531 and 1548. Negroes born in America were found to be better laborers than those brought from Guinea. The king (of Spain) had sent the force of two ships to make war on the Caribs ...It was the general opinion that the troubles on this land [Puerto Rico] were caused by negro slaves, Wolofs and Berberici, and so the king was asked to send more. '1533. The Wolofs of San Juan were declared to be haughty, disobedient, rebellious, and incorrigible, and could not be taken to any part of the Indies without express permission. In Quivira, Mexico, there was a Negro who had taken holy ecclesiastic Orders. There was established at Guamanga, three Brotherhoods of the True Cross of Spaniards, one for the Indians, and one for Negroes. An uprising of Negroes took place in Sand Pedro of Honduras.'*
After the first voyage, the chronicle of the Black presence takes on new dimensions: In 1513, thirty Negroes helped Balboa hack his way throught the tropical undergrowth to reach the Pacific Ocean. There were Black soldiers with Ponce de Leon, when he set out to find the Fountain of Youth, and inadvertantly landed on the Florida coast. Langston Hughes in his Famous Negro Heroes of America [1958], wrote:
'When Hernando Cortez invaded Mexico in 1519, one of the Negroes in his army of 700 found in his ration of rice one day some grains of wheat. These he planted, and is so credited with introducing the first wheat onto the mainland of the New World. And by 1523 there were so many Negroes in Mexico that it was decided to limit their entrance since it was thought they might try to seize the ruling powers from the Spaniards --as indeed some in 1537 were accused of plotting to do.' ...
Herrera [y Tordesillas, Antonio] had actually lived and travelled extensively in the New World. Here is his chronicle of events that took place between 1531 and 1548.
------ * L. Weiner, Africa and the Discovery of America, vol I (1920)
See also
Zora Neale Hurston, WPA ethnography
Adam Clayton Powells, Sr, Jr
Barbara Walters, Audition
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Not whatcha call "our better history," eh? Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Well, you have to start somewhere. And you don't have to be comprehensive.
"What is the centre of black politics in America today" is a rather limited question. Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
If the answer to the question, "What is the centre of black politics in America today?", is money --capital gain, bebe-- then the next surely concerns the so-called ingenuity of the "post-racial" individual American.
Which should "represents" nothing of race. And kinda problematizes the "intellectual debate" about nationalizing "our better history." If there were a debate. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Your answer makes the point that the difference between the situation in US is a just a tiny little bit different to that in Europe. But still people insist on comparing the situation of African-Americans with much smaller populations of recent immigrants.
Which isn't to say the situation in Europe isn't wrong in many ways (as it still is in the US), it's just not useful to make glib, illiterate comparisons between the two situations.
I've notice there is no commentary to this diary addresses singular political events that propelled Afro-European migrations
Declarations of independence 1947 - 1968. 1960, in particular
See Franz Fanon, Black Skin, White Masks (1952) concerning people who "speak French properly".
Uncanny. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Now seriously, I suspect black politics is a big blind spot for most of us here. It certainly is for me. We don't have to wait for Black History Month to have black history diaries.
Please? Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
Poemless makes a fair point about a lot of black talking heads being antagonistic towards him initially, until they realized regular black folks loved him and decided to jump on the bandwagon. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
My own take is that being a descendant of slaves makes no difference when it comes to perceptions of whether or not this or that person is "black," as the term applies in the states. Being black is, as you know, as much a cultural thing as it is a biological thing, which is a point on which some black leaders (the black Villagers, sans Clyburn and Lewis) and a lot of really stupid white journalists -- looking at you, Wolf Blitzer -- didn't "get" it. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Seriously. Each wave of immigrants has reached the pinnacle of power in France. Every single fucking one. Just not 30 years after the first generation arrived. It will take another generation or two. If you look at party militants right now, you'll be impressed by the number of Africans in there. They'll go up.
Bleh. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
It is a situation where the right, who play the same ethnic games as in Bush's america (rachida dati et al) have been in power too long. 12years of completely white Chirac (and no, no credit for Balladur, being Armenien is not the same thing) and now Sarkozist tokenism.
I have no doubt we will do better but not if we leave it up to our conservatives. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Still no big leaders. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
It is a dirty secret that we did a bad job integrating those waves. Jerome will deeply disagree with this, I think, but really, the '80's and especially '90's were really pivotal in locking that failed integration in. We had a period of really sustained unemployment for so-called unskilled workers, first from the reaction to socialist reforms in the 1980's (unfortunately the rest of Europe wasn't ready for socialism) and then from Germany's re-unification that we all paid for via a really nasty recession.
We spent more than a generation under full employment. that's a recipe, in my view, for regression, and this is not an exception for France in the 1990's.
Adding to this,as regards what is happening in Ireland, I always thought that Ireland would somehow escape the downside of the inevitable neo-liberal hangover. After all, in Ireland you have perhaps the smartest people in all of Europe, an ability to deal favorably with the Americans, and the English language which accentuates the first two things. On top of this, Ireland chose to excel, in terms of finance, in back office automation instead of the speculative bullshit which is going to kill the uk.
I know the rest of us were supposed to watch the celtic tiger whose "reforms" we the rest of us were supposed to imitate, starting with the corporate tax cuts. But I think they made a mistake on this in Dublin, and more than a few Haugheys could have done with ten-dollar american shirts instead of hundred punt french hand-tailored ones, for which working irish, like working english, pay the price.
at least here there's a (more or less) progressive tax to pay for the corruption... The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
As did France losing its faith in its so far successful integrationist policies under the Agnlo-Saxon influence, with the persistent narrative that integration is a failure in France. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
We had the superior model, we still do, but we need full employment now to make it work. Not all the time...but now, certainly.
Personally, I make certain ideological compromises precisely because of this point (and perhaps coloured by my own experience with unemployment in the '90's...) The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
Most immigration into Frace in the 50's was of Spanish and Portuguese origins, I think.
Démographie de la France - Wikipédia
Origine 1962 1968 1975 1982 1990 1999 effectifs 1999 Europe 78,7 76,4 67,2 57,3 50,4 44,9 1 934 144 Espagne 18,0 21,0 15,2 11,7 9,5 7,3 316 232 Italie 31,8 23,9 17,2 14,1 11,6 8,8 378 649 Portugal 2,0 8,8 16,9 15,8 14,4 13,3 571 874 Pologne 9,5 6,7 4,8 3,9 3,4 2,3 98 571 Autres Europe 17,5 16,1 13,1 11,7 11,4 13,2 568 818 Afrique 14,9 19,9 28,0 33,2 35,9 39,3 1 691 562 Algérie 11,6 11,7 14,3 14,8 13,3 13,3 574 208 Maroc 1,1 3,3 6,6 9,1 11,0 12,1 522 504 Tunisie 1,5 3,5 4,7 5,0 5,0 4,7 201 561 Afrique subsaharienne 0,7 1,4 2,4 4,3 6,6 9,1 393 289 Asie 2,4 2,5 3,6 8,0 11,4 12,8 549 994 Turquie 1,4 1,3 1,9 3,0 4,0 4,0 174 160 Ex-Indochine 0,4 0,6 0,7 3,0 3,7 3,7 159 750 Autres Asie 0,6 0,6 1,0 1,9 3,6 5,0 216 084 Amérique et Océanie 3,2 1,1 1,3 1,6 2,3 3,0 130 394 Non déclaré 0,8 0,1 - - - - - Total 100,0 100,0 100,0 100,0 100,0 100,0 - Effectif 2 861 280 3 281 060 3 887 460 4 037 036 4 165 952 4 306 094 4 306 094
In Europe we've had women leaders since the 70s (even if some of them have been insane) and atheist, or at least secular leaders for at least as long. So it's very self-serving to pretend that Obama is a manifestation of the American Dream, and that Europe is behind and supposed to be playing catch-up.
Just because there's a guy with a black face in charge doesn't mean that ethnic apartheid has disappeared, or that economic apartheid and systemic inequality aren't the foundations of US politics to an extent that would be unthinkable in the more progressive parts of Europe.
A small minority of people clawing their way to the top doesn't mean that 'opportunity' is a reality for the majority. That's not going to be become true until the Senate and House include a solid majority of individuals who came from dirt poor backgrounds without money or family connections, and who can run without needing to pretend that they're either mainstream Jews or Christians.
In Europe we've had women leaders since the 70s
Quite so.
(Sorry, couldn't resist.) Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
North African immigrants started arriving in large numbers since before blacks were allowed to vote in much of the US, or if you prefer, roughly about a decade before Obama was born. IIRC as of just a couple years ago there was not one single non-white parliamentary deputy from metropolitan France. This isn't because the French are more racist than Americans, but because of state policy, or rather the lack thereof. The US legislature shows how this works - in the Senate, blacks are virtually non existent; in the House, with its government imposed racially gerrymandered districts, there are tons of them. The other factor is the embrace of explicitly 'communitarian' politics which are as AMerican as apple pie. For this failure I particularly blame French lefties like yourself. I get that conservatives don't give a shit about racial equality, and have an ideological bias against state intervention, but that fact that the majority of the French left adopts a neo-lib/neocon stance on race and ethnicity is rather galling.
Why the hell it's good for the government to intervene to ameliorate class inequalities and why class based political and social organizations are a good thing, but ethnic ones are some sort of affront against the mythical race blind France and its unity is something I just don't get.
Integration is working in France, even if it's not fashionable to say so, and even if there is a real problem of ghettoisation of a minority. But it IS, at heart, an economic problem rather than a racial one. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
When you do not integrate, people stay 'other,' it's as simple as that. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
As a practical matter, given the realities, I completely fail to see how this can be seen as something positive.
On another level, though, at a really fundamental level, race-blind means just that - a black person is french just like a white person is, there is no differentiation, if you speak french properly, have the standard french general culture, everyone is the same, color no matter. There are problems, clearly with people of north african descent there is job discrimination and general racism, but it isn't having anything to do with color in my opinion, but one of integration, nothing which can't be solved in another generation, like for poles and italians in their waves of immigration before. There are no statistics but I strongly suspect, and observe, much higher levels of marriage between people of different color, and more mixity in the schools, than what I saw in the US, that's for sure, though granted I saw rural Michigan and then Minneapolis.
France needs more equality, via more efficient redistribution, and effective full employment policies. The latter point has been a horrible thorn in the integration story. If these things can be accomplished, that will take care of the problems we have in a generation or less.
None of this takes away from the amazing American accomplishment though. I certainly never thought it possible. The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
redstar: ... it isn't having anything to do with color in my opinion ... There are no statistics ...
From an earlier diary:
European Tribune - Racism in French employment
L'âge et l'origine, principales discriminations à l'embauche (2006 November 21) <...> the "first national barometer" carried out by the temporary work agency Adia with Jean-François Amadieu, professor at Paris I University and director of the Observatory of Discriminations. Made public on Tuesday November 21, the study shows that most kinds of employment discrimination, with the exception of that against the handicapped, have gotten worse in comparison to a study from 2004. 6461 CVs were sent over the course of a year in response to 1340 job offers. The results (invitations to a job interview) obtained by a "control" candidate (male, 28-30 years old, having a "stock French" last name and first name, without photo) and by candidates more likely to be discriminated against were compared. The big loser is the "48-50" year old who is selected the least often, regardless of socio-professional group, labor pool, company size, or work sector: among 100 invitations for job interviews that the control candidate received, this category received three times less (32), especially if he is a white-collar professional (14 invitations, while older blue-collar workers get 50). The white-collar professional of North African origin gets 17 positive responses, his blue-collar counterpart 47. Generally, as a consequence of his ethnicity, he only has 36 chances for a job interview, while the "stock French" candidate has 100.
<...> the "first national barometer" carried out by the temporary work agency Adia with Jean-François Amadieu, professor at Paris I University and director of the Observatory of Discriminations. Made public on Tuesday November 21, the study shows that most kinds of employment discrimination, with the exception of that against the handicapped, have gotten worse in comparison to a study from 2004.
6461 CVs were sent over the course of a year in response to 1340 job offers. The results (invitations to a job interview) obtained by a "control" candidate (male, 28-30 years old, having a "stock French" last name and first name, without photo) and by candidates more likely to be discriminated against were compared.
The big loser is the "48-50" year old who is selected the least often, regardless of socio-professional group, labor pool, company size, or work sector: among 100 invitations for job interviews that the control candidate received, this category received three times less (32), especially if he is a white-collar professional (14 invitations, while older blue-collar workers get 50). The white-collar professional of North African origin gets 17 positive responses, his blue-collar counterpart 47. Generally, as a consequence of his ethnicity, he only has 36 chances for a job interview, while the "stock French" candidate has 100.
This may be based on old information. My experience is that the forced integration of schools and the military starting in the 1960s has paid off. Certainly in more cosmopolitan places like Boston and New York there is pretty broad acceptance of all races. But here in arch-conservative Colorado Springs we have so many mixed race military families that it is almost the norm. It is not even commented on to see families with random backgrounds including orientals, blacks, and whites. In malls and stores one might expect such acceptance simply on a practical basis, but surface tolerance at least extends even to cowboy dance halls, nightclubs, and motorcycle bars where one might expect the most racist types to hang out.
Not to say that there isn't still overt racism; we had a hate crime in our neighborhood just a few months ago. But I think that the broad acceptance of Obama reflects specific government anti-discrimination actions taken within the past four decades.
Don't you realize that the two are intrinsically linked?
Integration is working in France, even if it's not fashionable to say so, and even if there is a real problem of ghettoisation of a minority.
Just a hell of a lot slower than if the government and the elites felt that it wasn't somehow taboo to rely on anything else than the invisible hand. I'll give you an example from the political realm: I've read that non-white socialists complain of two factors that prevent them from getting even a minute fraction of the power that their numbers would indicate. The first is that the leadership often worries that putting up a non-white candidate would reduce the party's vote share - something that racial gerrymandering works to counter in the US. The second is that the leaders tend to want to help their friends, and since social networks are definitely not perfectly racially integrated, and the folks at the top are white, that means that the whiteness of the existing power structure tends to replicate itself. Again, same problem in the US, but explicit ethno-racial political organizing works in the other direction.
It's not the French that have a neocon/neolib stance, it's the neocons/neolibs that have adopted the longstanding French position, which has worked to integrate every single wave of immigrants up to now.
ditto for America, in both cases we are talking white immigrants. But that's not what we're talking about here. You still haven't explained to me why it's wrong for the government to take an active role in ameliorating certain social inequalities, but not others.
Affirmative action has other consequences. Gerrymandering creates rentes de situation and fractures society around community lines. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
We already had one: Thomas Jefferson.
As an American politician, Jefferson had to profess some sort of religion, but his deism and/or Unitarianism are at the far extreme of what is possible while staying within the "organized" religions.
I suppose the point is that our Founding Fathers were a pretty solid Enlightenment crowd, and that we have regressed over time. Lincoln and his Bible quoting, FDR and his dragging ministers into the Executive circle, and just worse and worse as we go forward...
Just for the record: Jefferson didn't believe in equal time for Satanism or teaching prostitution in the schools either. ;) Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Ummh, Jazz? Film?
And as far as white and standard high culture being very much part of the European/Western stream how could it not be?
seriously!
no other algorhythm has rocked so many rooms.
;) 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
As for music, I thought about jazz, blues and gospel (what they used to call, "race music") when writing that, and came to the conclusion that those are forms which never quite made it to the mainstream, or when they did, (with the very rare exception of pieces like Brubeck's Take 5) appeared only in a debased manner. I agree though, that there have been immense talents doing wonderful work all along. The kicker is that Elvis still casts his shadow over the entire lot. (Ironic, because he was a huge blues fan.) Eric Clapton said something along these lines. He was listening to Robert Johnson, while Americans were hearing the Everly Brothers. His take was that we were listening to the wrong material.
An effect of the commercialization of art? Has someone has probably written a doctoral thesis on the topic? "It Can't Be Just About Us"--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire
A clear case to ramp up our public diplomacy.
Your point is well taken. My underlying concern lies with mainstream (i.e.: commercialized) culture. There exists however, a subculture of poets (here as well) who would agree with me. Marissa Ranello is a favorite of mine among these. This is a subculture which quite openly stands in opposition to the mainstream. Was it ever thus? I suppose. "It Can't Be Just About Us"--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire
I will bear that in mind about Bulgarian folk music in future. I'll ask my music guy about it. (Feel free to pass along any suggestions, please.) Today he introduced me to Peter Warlock, who sounded suspiciously Baroque. An interesting story with that one according to him. Evidently, he'd compose in studio, then at some other location, pen viscious diatribes against his compositions. Might be interesting to put the two together and see which incarnation had the better judgement. "It Can't Be Just About Us"--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire
There are entire swathes of this world that are culturally macho. It is useless to provoke them. Neutering them is more effective than threatening to nuke them. You can't be me, I'm taken
We are on the precipice of economic collapse, and with the notable exception of Spain, in North America and Europe the third wayers are in charge. And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
We have been preparing for this for weeks
Press reports claim that outgoing US president George W. Bush failed to contact any Polish politicians while bidding farewell to various heads of state at the end of his term of office. President Bush made phone calls to leaders of the major global powers, writes the Dziennik newspaper, including Russian PM Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and President of France Nicolas Sarkozy. The outgoing president also found time for a conversation with leaders of Denmark, Georgia and Greece. But he apparently had no time for Poland's politicians, claims Dziennik.
President Bush made phone calls to leaders of the major global powers, writes the Dziennik newspaper, including Russian PM Vladimir Putin and President Dmitry Medvedev, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and President of France Nicolas Sarkozy.
The outgoing president also found time for a conversation with leaders of Denmark, Georgia and Greece. But he apparently had no time for Poland's politicians, claims Dziennik.
This is not the first time, one may say. Even after that celebration:
The same people who voted for Bush twice voted fro Obama. The same people who cheered the Iraqi invasion are cheering Obama today. Anyway, I join in one cheer. I will become a patissier, God willing.
You never know this days, at least it's not The Onion. Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
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