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Did Greeks wake up? Tina, Tara and other girls

by Kostis Papadimitriou Wed May 25th, 2011 at 02:07:48 PM EST

There was a rumor that people in the #spanish revolution had a banner which said something like "sshh, the Greeks are still asleep".
At this moment the main Syntagma (Constitution) Square, where the Parliament stands, is flooded by self-proclaimed "Angry People". According to media there are around 15.000. I passed there a bit earlier and there were really many people. Supposedly, they are following the example of the Indignados, whatever this means.
I am not quite sure who they are and what they stand for. The situation in Greece is very complicated. The streets are full of self-proclaimed saviors and prophets. Some are leftist, some are nationalists, some are populists, many are anti-parliamentariars (so pro-what?), others are mad. On the other hand, the media are full of Serious People saying that it's whatever measures needed or else we have to leave the Euro AND the EU. The Greek European Commissioner Maria Damanaki said there are discussions that Greece should leave the Euro if whatever measures are not adopted (yet, Commissioner Oli Rehns' spokesman said this is nonsense).
The Government is playing Tina stronger than ever. So, where the f* is Tara?


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There Are Real Alternatives TARA is not considered virtuous by the Serious People™, but TINA is a nice girl, that's why she's on TV.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 25th, 2011 at 04:20:38 PM EST
A flickr collection from today at Syntagma...

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Wed May 25th, 2011 at 07:33:33 PM EST
TINA has been getting a free ride. She needs to be exposed as the whore of the very rich that she truly is. If only it were, literally, about sex.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 26th, 2011 at 09:40:39 AM EST
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[ARGeezer's Macho Moment of the Day Technology]

You guys are lucky De is not around to set you straight about your sexist metaphors...

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 26th, 2011 at 09:48:23 AM EST
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You undoubtedly are right. My problem with TINA is not her sexual activities, what ever they may be or how ever they may be perceived. My problem is when TPTB send TINA out to tell the rest of us what to do.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 26th, 2011 at 05:32:06 PM EST
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There was a rumor that people in the #spanish revolution had a banner which said something like "sshh, the Greeks are still asleep".
And the #greekrevolution reacted by posting a large Spanish flag with the motto "We're awake, what's the time? Time for them to leave!" in Spanish (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22053590@N00/5759469129/in/photostream/)

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 26th, 2011 at 09:51:37 AM EST
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Just from looking at this photo from talos ...

... http://www.flickr.com/photos/22053590@N00/5759467719/in/photostream/

...tells me there were many more than the 10,000 to 15,000 estimated. They've filled the upper platform around parliament and also the streets extending from Syntagma Square. That is more than 10-15 easy.

by Upstate NY on Thu May 26th, 2011 at 09:48:27 AM EST
2d day of protests under a thunderstorm right now, live from Syntagma. I'm not sure how long they'll last in the open though it's raining hard.

Yesterday the realistic assessment was around 25.000 and that's erring on the side of caution. People slept in the square and had participatory organizing meetings.

The gatherings were a huge success outside of Athens. There were 33 such events biggest among which was 12.000 in Thessaloniki (I'm sure there's a stream somewhere), 5000 in Patras over 2000 in Larissa, Volos, Heraklion and Chania. The locals say that these were the biggest demos since the Iraq war protests....

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Thu May 26th, 2011 at 12:01:36 PM EST
People continue to gather for the fifth day now in central Syntagma square in Athens, opposite the parliament. Today there was no rain, it is a Sunday, so many many people were there. The square was really packed.

"Eurozone leaders have turned a 50bn Greek solvency problem into a 1,000bn existential crisis for the European Union." David Miliband
by Kostis Papadimitriou on Sun May 29th, 2011 at 04:18:00 PM EST
It is amazing that this is getting close to zero coverage abroad. It is happening in coordination with cities all over Spain, Lisbon, Paris and London at least. Last year the slightest whiff of teargas made the front page of BBC News.

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun May 29th, 2011 at 06:50:20 PM EST
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That which is not reported didn't happen.

I suspect this may be the beginning of a media blackout, given that a pan-European protest movement taking hold would be a real threat to entrenched interests.

Economics is politics by other means

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 29th, 2011 at 07:05:10 PM EST
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Zero reporting by BBC News of yesterday's UKUncut protests.

But they did get a mention in the Graudian and the Mirror.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 29th, 2011 at 07:48:53 PM EST
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Syntagma tonight:



The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun May 29th, 2011 at 08:40:25 PM EST
Ekathimerini: Record turnout for 'Indignant' protesters in Athens (May 29, 2011)
Greeks inspired by the Spanish "Indignant" or "Indignados" movement held their largest protest so far in Athens on Sunday, which some estimates put as high as 100,000 people, although a more accurate assesment seemed to be that those taking part exceeded 30,000.

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Greece's deputy Prime Minister Theodoros Pangalos had earlier dismissed the significance of the country's `Indignant' movement.

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Greece's version of the `Indignant' movement, protesting austerity measures and demanding that politicians are more in tune with citizens' needs, has led to thousands of people protesting in front or Parliament in Athens, as well as in other cities, every day since Wednesday. Some have started camping out overnight as well.



Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 1st, 2011 at 06:14:24 AM EST
Demotix: Greeks step up pressure on government as protests continue (2nd of June 2011)
With no end to the series of nighly rallies in sight the Greek political system has been looking on nervously as protesters in Athens's central Syntagma Square has twice blocked the exit of MPs from Parliament. Last night 60 Greek and foreign MPs also had to be evacuated the Coast Guard by the holiday island of Corfu after protesters beseiged a conference on illegal immigration being held in the capital.

As has been the case in Spain and Arab countries the rallies and participants have been organising demonstrations with online media centre springing up to get their message out and nightly popular assemblies which debate solutions to the present economic crisis into the small hours.

With the Greek parliament set to vote on the conditions attached to the latest loan installment from the IMF, European Union and European Central Bank the ruling PASOK administration is in the unenviable position of having to push through legislation opposed by 90% of the electorate.

This can possibly be characterised as legislation passed under duress, and may well be overturned by a future government. Odious debts and all that...

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 at 04:02:24 AM EST


Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 at 06:02:10 AM EST
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Ekathimerini: Indignant movement is political (By Stavros Lygeros)
In the conventional way of looking at things, the Indignant movement appears apolitical. In reality, though, it is profoundly and surprisingly political.
That is exactly the problem with the conventional way to look at politics, isn't it? It's not part of the patronage networks we call powers that be and political parties, so it's not "political"? Every time the people turn their back on the oligarchs the serious people talk of "a crisis of democracy".
It has emerged from the bowels of society and expresses the rising up of the silent majority, which is seeing the basic constants of its way of life being threatened. The way the prime minister is being gradually undermined effectively marks the beginning of the end for this government.


Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 at 06:08:36 AM EST
Well, every time the people turn their backs on the oligarchs you do have a crisis of democracy, because the oligarchs tend to bring out the brownshirts when that happens.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 at 06:40:30 AM EST
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We have been warned. Repeatedly, even.

Economics is politics by other means
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 at 07:03:21 AM EST
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The people I saw at Syntagma were 15% leftist, 5% ecologists and this kind of thing (cyclists, non-political etc.), 5% rightwingers and 75% PASOK (socialist party) voters. It's mainly the people that you would meet at PASOK rallies in election periods. The kind of people that are low wagers or so. That should alarm the government, because it's their core voters. The they have let down, but they can't see it. If you talk to them, they can't really see it.

P.S. I understand that Kathimerini is one of the very few English language comprehensive news sources about Greece, but keep in mind that it is currently extremely conservative in the deepest sense. It used to have much better times.

"Eurozone leaders have turned a 50bn Greek solvency problem into a 1,000bn existential crisis for the European Union." David Miliband

by Kostis Papadimitriou on Fri Jun 3rd, 2011 at 06:21:21 PM EST
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I bookmarked it as a result of a link to a poll, but then I read some of the articles....as you say.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jun 4th, 2011 at 04:58:46 PM EST
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Very hard right pro-IMF lately, but it still has a few lefties on its opinion columns (Boukalas, Xydakis etc) and a few "progressive nationalists" (for lack of a better description) like Lygeros...

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake
by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Mon Jun 6th, 2011 at 02:27:55 PM EST
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