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Arc of the Sun: Gen Patreaus ~ We Can't Leave Afghanistan Now, They Have $T's of Minerals

by BruceMcF Thu Sep 13th, 2012 at 10:48:11 AM EST

Burning the Midnight Oil for the Arc of the Sun

crossposted from Voices on the Square

A reminder of the caliber of top flight geopolitical thinking in the current administration ... from August 2010, the person who now heads the CIA:


Talk about mission creep! First Afghanistan was the "necessary war" because they harbored Al Qaeda training bases, then because the Taliban were religious extremists and, I guess, we only cotton to Christian religious extremists ...

... and finally,  because an Afghani politician talks up the importance of his country, and it sits on top of minerals.

???

A Simple Geography Lesson {NB. for North Americans}

We are here:

This is our hemisphere of the globe:

This is the Atlantic Rim:

This is the Pacific Rim:

This (YA, to the left) is Afghanistan, a landlocked nation lying on the borders between West, South and East Asia:

A campaign of retaliation in a landlocked nation in Asia, halfway around the world, just because we can ... well, the US is a Viking Country at heart, and it is not surprising that a sneak attack in a Viking settlement provokes a retaliation.

Fighting there for a decade, OTOH ... that's not an outbreak of rage, that's institutionalized insanity.

But staying there for the minerals and in hopes of benefiting from the fact that its a landlocked nation at the opposite ends of the earth from us ...

... if this is the caliber of strategic analysis that we have at the head of the CIA, we need to rename it the CSA: Central Stupidity Agency. And given that he was wearing four stars when he made these remarks, at least one of his stars should have retired separately from the general. Four star generals ought not be caught displaying such long term strategic stupidity in public.


World Beat: Akoya Afrobeat ~ Unilateral System of Attack

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If they're Christian, they aren't religious extremists.  Didn't you get the memo?  As for the Central Insane Asylum, reality has never been its strong suit.
by rifek on Thu Sep 13th, 2012 at 12:25:23 PM EST
The question at that point is whether they are cleverly insane or just moronic. There was a time in the middle of the 20th century when they tended toward cleverly insane. But at present, I'm having trouble rejecting moronic as a null hypothesis.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Sep 13th, 2012 at 02:13:00 PM EST
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I don't know.  I don't see a whole lot of cleverness in that Mosaddegh-Bay of Pigs era.
by rifek on Thu Sep 13th, 2012 at 08:09:58 PM EST
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Even the Bay of Pigs over-reach was inspired by the perceived success of the Dominican Republic intervention. And look at how long Mobutu Sese Seko Etcetera Etcetera succeeded in generating instability and disrupting Pan-African activity throughout Central Africa.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Sep 13th, 2012 at 09:47:11 PM EST
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It was inspired by the DR intervention, but I can't characterize equating DR and Cuba as clever.  As for Africa, Pan-Africanism had even less reality than Pan-Arabism; it was a convenient bogeyman to get funds out of Congress, nothing more.  A troop of baboons armed with turd balls could destabilize that region; Mobutu just played the game, rode the wave, and skimmed off a cool US$5 billion.
by rifek on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 04:43:41 PM EST
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US corporations got far more out of the Congo than the money put into Mobutu Sese Seko's regime.

As far as the hypothetical incompetence of black folks to do anything to engage in domestic development in the absence of Western investment in destabilization ... you can have your baboon hypothesis, I'll stick with mine.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 15th, 2012 at 07:57:30 PM EST
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Oh yes, US corporations made their usual haul in the wake of CIA-induced chaos.  They probably would have made more with some stability, but kleptocracy is so much more fun.  On the latter point, if you mean the CIA is a pack of baboons that hasn't given the US much ROI, you'll get no argument here.
by rifek on Wed Sep 19th, 2012 at 07:26:02 PM EST
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There would have been more made with less instability, but maximizing the share of the pie has more allure than growing the pie, because of the risk that if you focus on growing the pie, you will be growing it for the benefit of someone else who focuses on grabbing the biggest possible slice.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2012 at 08:52:43 PM EST
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We're in complete agreement.
by rifek on Tue Sep 25th, 2012 at 09:00:30 PM EST
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US corporations got far more out of the Congo than the money put into Mobutu Sese Seko's regime.

The vast preponderance of US money put into Africa was US government money, and we know how little Corporate America contributed to that via taxes. Many may well have contributed more to political campaigns than they paid in taxes. But the money US corporations took out of Africa was theirs to keep. For corporations foreign adventures are financed by Other People's Money. OPM. The only way to go.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2012 at 07:41:34 PM EST
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Of course. Its a slightly more roundabout method than passing laws to incarcerate people to require the public to pay for prisons to deliver revenues to the prison-industrial complex ... but has the advantage that the amount of revenue that is reaped is greater than the amount of US tax revenues that are diverted to the task.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 22nd, 2012 at 08:51:01 PM EST
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We can never leave, but we can check out any time we like.  Welcome to the Hotel Afghanistan.
by rifek on Tue Sep 25th, 2012 at 09:02:03 PM EST


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