2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check)

by JakeS Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 05:08:36 AM EST

Since this is about the time of year we would normally start planning a September meetup, and since Helen suggested Hamburg for this year's meetup, I thought I'd put up an interest check.

So far, we have the following suggestions:
Paris (because it's traditional, also lots of Parisian ETers)
Copenhagen (I can probably arrange something interesting to do and a nice place to eat)
Hamburg (model railway)
Other (please specify in comments)

I'll update the poll as suggestions come in (may reset the poll, but I'll keep a note of the votes).

- Jake

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2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) | 60 comments (60 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

[ET Moderation Technology™]

Poll fixed.

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 01:03:26 PM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

[ET Moderation Technology™]

Bremen/not Bremen added.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:11:58 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

But it screwed around with the votes.

I am pretty sure that new options should be added only at the bottom of the poll...

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:19:48 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Right. Shit. New attempt.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:23:00 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

In addition, when you have 3 alternatives, "A, not A" leads to a complete specification, but with 4 options you now need to add the 6 possibilities where two options are favoured and two are not.

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 11:30:36 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Ugg, I don't know how to vote cos I'll probably go to any of them so can't vote "not".

I think Hamburg will be good cos it's such an interesting city, Hanseatic museum and the very best model railway in the world, but I've never been to Copenhagen so that'd be good too

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 01:34:10 PM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 1)

We could make the poll single transferable vote.

... at least as long as the number of suggestions is small enough that the combinational complexity is manageable.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 02:00:52 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

With 3 options you're looking at 16 possibilities...

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 02:35:14 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

But that reduces to six if you people must specify the full ordering.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 03:23:27 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

But then you're disallowing the possibiity of voting no on certain options.

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 07:18:18 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

I'm not sure what to do with the 'no's when tallying the vote that STV can't do just as well?

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:12:01 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

The result of the vote does change if you allow votes that have just one first option but don't transfer to any second option.

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 11:27:56 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Vote "all"

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 02:34:21 PM EST
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Bremen/Bremerhaven... (none / 0)

... was mentioned in the OT. Unfortunately I can't seem to edit the poll and make the edit stick.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 02:13:34 PM EST

Re: Bremen/Bremerhaven... (none / 0)

They'd be good too

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 20th, 2013 at 02:55:07 PM EST
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Re: Bremen/Bremerhaven... (none / 0)

Done.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:14:10 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Unlike Paris (or Copenhagen), Hamburg would be ideal for me travel-wise (direct day train, free tickets). The question is, when?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:13:56 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Right. "When" is why I haven't voted so far.

by Katrin on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 03:55:15 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Probably about 2½-3 months after the location is decided upon, such that people can still get the cheap long lead time tickets for their travel.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 05:43:39 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (4.00 / 3)

In an ideal world I'd want Bremen for CH's tour of wind stuff, Hamburg because DoDo could be there, and to be shown around Copenhagen by Jake.

But I had to vote for Paris because, for a number of reasons including financial, it's probably the only one I could make it to.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:26:07 AM EST

Madrid? (none / 0)

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 06:02:25 AM EST
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Re: Madrid? (none / 0)

Impractical for most of the same reasons as Copenhagen.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 01:15:50 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

They all look equally unlikely for me (4h minimum airport to airport with a stop)

Trains are about 10 hours for Bremen or Hamburg.

Oh ah looking a bit harder : Lyon to Hamburg looks perfectly feasible : TGV to Basel then sleeper! Competitive with flying, probably cheaper counting accommodation, and saves faffing around after an evening flight, or the indignity of sleeping on airport benches (not that it's beneath my dignity)
Lyon to Bremen is feasible too, though with two stops.

Copenhagen's out of reach by rail (sleeper, via Hamburg or Cologne, but nearly 24h overall). I'm happy to spend a night on the train, but not to lose a day each way.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 04:22:34 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 1)

Given that it's a meetup, with the focus on chat/discussion, not a city tour, I think it's best to make it as easy as possible for the largest number to attend. Given that there are, as Jake said: "lots of Parisian ETers", that access from UK and many other places is relatively easy, and the preferences of those in France like afew and me - I would suggest we stick to Paris.

Also I discovered a restaurant opposite Len's place (so near metros Guy Moquet and Jules Joffrin) which has a lovely inside courtyard and room (with plenty of space unlike the little back room of the last place) part of which we could reserve for one session, and reasonable prices.

Paris is getting even nicer:

"The Left Banks of the Seine will be closed to traffic from the end of January. From Spring, the 2.3 kilometres of road between the Pont de l'Alma and the Orsay Museum will be transformed into a pedestrian walkway, with floating gardens and a staircase connecting the Orsay Museum to the Seine.

See more innovations at:

http://www.paris.fr/english/english/what-s-new-in-paris-in-2013/rub_8118_actu_125540_port_19237

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 05:23:24 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Well, yea, that too :-)))

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 09:26:14 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

See also paul spencer's comment.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 11:51:08 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

good point. this kinda means that there will be a Paris meetup in early October.

but no reason for a South Herringstan/North Sausagereich meetup before the Baltic freezes in early September

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 21st, 2013 at 02:06:17 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

While it would be nice to accommodate Paul's plans, I'm sure he wouldn't expect it to be a determining factor for the rest of us. I suspect many of us would prefer a meeting in Paris before early October. While one can never guarantee good weather there would be more of a chance of it in Aug early Sept.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Jun 22nd, 2013 at 09:22:00 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

There's also less chance of getting accommodation at a reasonable rate.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jun 22nd, 2013 at 09:37:06 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Swings and things :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Jun 22nd, 2013 at 10:39:59 AM EST
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Quite so. (none / 1)

It would be great to participate, but only if it's convenient for y'all. I'd suggest a mini-meetup for those available, while we're there, if folks are interested. One of my closest friends from Austin is living in the 12th and sampling restaurants so that we can optimize quality vs price.

Have to underline afew's comment - accommodations should be cheaper in October. Probably less crowded, too.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (paulgspencer@gmail.com) on Sat Jun 22nd, 2013 at 11:54:11 AM EST
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Re: Quite so. (none / 0)

Early october is fine in Paris. I'd vote for that.

And if something else happens elsewhere in the meantime, I'll see if I can be in or not.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sun Jun 23rd, 2013 at 04:29:57 AM EST
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Re: Quite so. (none / 0)

I'm easy :-) it could be nice in October:

"It may be on the wet and brisk side, but for meditative strolls in crisp air, long afternoons chatting or reading in warm cafes, and enjoying dramatic dusks in picturesque settings, Paris is incomparable.
Why to Love It: Tourist season is ebbing, and the city gets a quiet, contemplative feel to it. You'll likely have more space to wander ...
http://goparis.about.com/od/parisbymont1/a/Paris_October.htm

Also, there's this:

From 9 to 13 October 80th edition of the Harvest Festival of Montmartre
has found the perfect sponsor: Thomas Dutronc!
Nolwenn Leroy, Thomas Outronc ... a charming duo to celebrate the Harvest Festival of Montmartre placed this year under the sign of love!
Nolwenn Leroy, singer bold, creative and popular. Thomas Dutronc, meanwhile,. has made himself a name in alongside the best gypsy jazz musicians in the heart of the Flea Market and 18th St. Ouen, with its jazzy-gypsy melodies.
80 years after Mistinguett and Fernandel, these two artists embody the talent, youth and glamor.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sun Jun 23rd, 2013 at 07:07:03 AM EST
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Re: Quite so. (none / 0)

Just trying to see the link between Thomas Dutronc and Fernandel, but never mind ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jun 23rd, 2013 at 07:17:46 AM EST
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Re: Quite so. (none / 1)

Les premiers parrains de la fête montmartroise, qui sera placée cette année sous le signe de l'amour, ont été Mistinguett et Fernandel.

80 years later Dutronc is da man :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sun Jun 23rd, 2013 at 09:30:03 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (4.00 / 2)

Those of us for whom the travel budget is the lion's share of the expense would like at least eight weeks' notice, such that we may book tickets while they're still cheap.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Jun 22nd, 2013 at 02:26:36 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 1)

What about Stuttgart, Germany and with a look at the "marvelous" project S21 -- Monday evenings are the weekly demonstrations...

Now what ?

by pi (etribu-at-opsec.eu) on Sat Jun 22nd, 2013 at 05:18:03 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 1)

No Elbphilharmonie demonstrations in Hamburg? How about Berlin (hotels are very cheap) with a trip to the airport?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Jun 22nd, 2013 at 08:46:12 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

I may be in Berlin at some point in July. Printing my pub maps already :-))

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 23rd, 2013 at 07:49:22 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

The Berliners and Hamburgers 8-) dont protest as much as the people from Stuttgart...

Now what ?

by pi (etribu-at-opsec.eu) on Mon Jun 24th, 2013 at 09:11:50 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Pretty much all venues would work for me (and three out of four are about the same for me in terms of travel time).

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Jun 25th, 2013 at 07:40:13 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Shouldn't we make a decision ?

The majority expressing a preference (unchanged recently) are for Paris (surprise!) and for reasons discussed above (easier booking, cheaper; Paul Spencer's trip; the Montmartre festival), the weekend starting Fri Oct 11th would seem to be preferable.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sun Jul 7th, 2013 at 09:18:27 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Sound good to me, or it would if I could afford the trip. At least it's far enough in the future that I can pretend I'll be able to save enough for it. (Currently middle class broke: worrying how will I pay for the horses and can I afford a trip to Paris?!)

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 7th, 2013 at 01:21:11 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Sorry to hear that. I remember you being very generous with a drinks bill at the Paris meetup a few years ago. Happy to buy you some drinks if you do make it (maybe a lucky horse :-)).

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sun Jul 7th, 2013 at 02:38:12 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 1)

It's not as if we're worrying how to feed the children or ourselves and it's largely a consequence of Sam starting up her own practice so it's not even externally imposed, so sorry isn't really necessary: thanks anyway. It's just a pain in the ass for the duration. I could really do with a trip to civilisation though. Sitting in the provinces is only partly offset by the net.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 04:22:46 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Feeding the children. I had told Elder Daughter I was cutting off her allowance for the summer, I expected her to get a job, any job. She got a good one, then it fell through at the last minute (bastards, she had turned other work down in the meantime) so now she's scrounging for hours of menial work.

So I may have to give her some money, not budgeted, which will be a strain... Oh well, middle class lifestyle choices. She can live for free at my place if she wants.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 06:23:48 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 1)

An important life lesson: Your job offer is not real enough to turn down other offers until you have a binding contract.

This is one most of us need to learn the hard way.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 01:13:44 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

This requires somebody to volunteer for handling the practicalities.

Had we chosen a Danish or German location, that someone could have been me. But my French is only barely good enough that I can get by when I am able to make up the deficit with points and grunts. And unhappily I lack a modem that accepts that input syntax.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jul 7th, 2013 at 04:19:05 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

OK, I'll volunteer.

Will post new thread.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 9th, 2013 at 05:33:02 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Somebody should bump this diary up. It's so far down that I only noticed this comment by chance.

That weekend seems fine right now. There seems to be reasonable hotel availability online.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 04:59:52 AM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Done.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 05:10:43 AM EST
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I vote outside of core Europe. (none / 0)

My choices: Madrid, Kilkenny or thereabouts, why not Budapest?

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 06:05:30 AM EST

Re: I vote outside of core Europe. (none / 0)

If you really want to be outside of Core Europe, make it Minsk, Tiraspol or North Nicosia. Or London :P

Minsk has the advantage we can call the meetup a "ET's Minsky moment".

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 06:35:24 AM EST
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Re: I vote outside of core Europe. (4.00 / 2)

We could also do it in Milton Keynes, getting two economists for the price of one. But if we're thinking on these lines, how about Wörgl, much easier to get to (for me at least)?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 06:44:43 AM EST
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Re: I vote outside of core Europe. (none / 1)

There's little point in suggesting yet more alternatives likely to get just a few supporters like the existing alternatives.

As I said above it's clear that the majority prefer to stick with Paris and Oct 11th weekend makes sense from a practical point of view, availability of rooms, time to book, and it coincides with Montmartre festival. Earlier I also said I'd found a restaurant near Len's pied a terre, which has a lovely interior courtyard and reasonable prices and would be a good RV for the Fri ev.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Jul 8th, 2013 at 02:16:41 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

From open thread 8th July:

Helen: So, is there going to be formal announcement that there will be a meetup in Paris n weekend 12th October ?
afew: Oyez, oyez, here be formal announcement, ET Meet-up, Paris, 11-12-13 October.
Jérôme seems to be free for that weekend and has blocked the date.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jul 9th, 2013 at 05:30:17 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Is there a date yet?

luis_de_sousa@mastodon.social

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Thu Jul 11th, 2013 at 11:02:47 AM EST

Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

Right here!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 11th, 2013 at 12:18:21 PM EST
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Re: 2013 Meetup Location (Interest Check) (none / 0)

I'm flying to Nottingham on the 13th, it´s a bit tight for me.

luis_de_sousa@mastodon.social

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]protonmail[dot]ch) on Fri Jul 12th, 2013 at 02:32:39 AM EST
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