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Open Thread 7 - 13 March

by Bjinse Mon Mar 7th, 2016 at 11:14:11 AM EST

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Europe's hope for unity fading as it confronts rising discontent - Matthew Schofield - McClatchy DC
... "In the past, the effort has been to get everybody into the same space," Whitman said. "This puts Britain in the slow lane, with no obligation to ever catch up."

Now "leaving the EU is an option," he said. "It's no longer an exclusive club in which membership lasts for life. Right now, I think even nations like the Netherlands might vote for an exit."

Whitman said the notion that Europeans share values and goals has suffered. "We're back to the idea of promoting our individual national superiorities," he said.

... "The European project was always bound to fail," Stratfor, the Texas-based international risk analysis consultancy, wrote on its website Tuesday.

Stratfor said the "project" of European unity "would inevitably encounter insurmountable levels of nationalist resistance" built up over centuries of war among "distinct groups of people with different histories, languages and cultures."

"That is the point at which we now find ourselves," the Stratfor analysis said.

... In a paper published Wednesday, Paul J.J. Welfens, president of the European Institute for International Economic Relations in Germany, blamed Germany's open-door refugee policy for hastening European disintegration and giving a boost to the British campaign to desert the union.

"If the EU continues to be destabilized, the next field of instability will be NATO," he wrote, referring to the military alliance that also includes Canada and the United States. "That would be highly dangerous."

Will the EU blow up in our faces? - Hartmut Kaelble - Tagesspiegel
Contrary to the last great crisis of European integration 40 years ago, the European decision making bodies work comparably well. European parliament, council, commission, central bank, and court are doing their work. ... One can not expect from the EU or a nation state to find a quick consensus. Germany is deeply divided about the refugee crisis too.

The flow of refugees is a completely new question for the EU... It requires time... It requires political pressure not fatalism.

The EU is also not breaking apart because it has not suffered permanent losses of confidence as asserted. In the debt crises the EU lost a lot of trust between 2011 and 2013 but gained it back in 2014. It had acted.

The refugee crisis led to another loss of confidence in 2015, especially in Germany. But that loss didn't go as deep. If the EU acts effectively again, experience tells us it will gain trust again.

... These [anti-EU] parties are elected not because of their anti-EU stance but because of national reasons. ... In Polen and Hungary the EU enjoys greater trust than in many western and southern EU countries, lately even more than in Germany.

... The German government has virtually no support from other governments in the refugee crisis. It seems isolated. The situation reminds us of the isolation of de Gaulle in 1965/66. But three years later France broke out of its isolation and returned to the German-French partnership and contributed to the most far-reaching decisions of the decade.

I think there could be a misunderstanding of the polls. As long as the EU doesn't cause a big ruckus, it's a technical fact of life and people aren't bothered. The problem is caused by the long-simmering crises that keep making life steadily worse for the majority. Just because it's not disliked doesn't mean people have great attachment or loyalty to the project. And I doubt that EU institutions have earned merit badges for simply pushing the problems down the road again.

Yesterday, a Slovakian EU MP (who sits in the same faction as the AfD) argued in a German talk show that the EU is not a community of values but a community of treaties - that are breached time and again which, in his view, led to the unilateral actions of Austria and the Eastern Europeans. The rest of the participants tried to hold on the European community of values but it's true: the EU ceased to be a community of values when the big Eastern expansion happened. And now the 'magic' is gone. No longer do people kneel down when the word 'Europe' is brought up in political discussions. A collateral damage of overstretch and bumbling. So yes, the EU won't blow up but it won't be as close-knit as it was. It has simply become too big for that. And now that Turkey is trying to muscle in...

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Mon Mar 7th, 2016 at 06:17:01 PM EST
""We're back to the idea of promoting our individual national superiorities," he said."

National "superiorities" ?  Did the author mean "priorities"?  Superiorities ... sounds like US exceptionalism. And we are exceptional ... exceptionally ignorant, self-centered, fat assed ... I could go on, nothing complimentary.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:08:10 PM EST
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Odd that the break-up of NATO might happen AFTER the breakup of the EU since NATO will have contributed mightily to the potential breakup of the EU.
by Upstate NY on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 10:09:31 AM EST
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May have something to do with the fact that the citizens occasionally get a say on whether to join or remain in the EU, but never get a say on NATO.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 10:21:48 AM EST
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the break up of NATO should already have begun, largely because in the post-communist world, it has no reason to exist.

Indeed, you begin to wonder if nato hasn't had policies in place to boost Putin in order to create a justification for its continuation. But that'd be a bit too tin-foil hat methinks.

The EU was destroyed by the euro and the far too rapid expansion eastwards. But hubris etc etc

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 11:51:12 AM EST
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The other side of the global crisis: entropy and the collapse of civilizations
Eventually, our society (as any other society in history) is a dissipative structure. It means that it exist only because it is able to dissipate energy in order to stock information inside itself. And there is a positive feedback: more energy permits to implement more complexity; and more complexity needs, but it also permits a larger energy flow. This, I think, is a crucial point: at the very end, wealth is information stocked inside the socio-economic system in different forms (such livestock, infrastructures, agrarian facilities, machines, buildings, books, the web and so on). Human population is peculiar because it is a large part of the information stocked inside the society system [...]

The accumulation of information inside a system is possible only by an increment of entropy outside the same system. This is usual with all the dissipative structures, but our civilisation is unique in its dimension. Today about 97% of the terrestrial vertebrate biomass is composed of humans and of their symbionts and we use about the 50% of the primary production (400 TW?), plus a little less than 20 TW we have from fossil fuels and other inorganic sources [...]

Today, both global pollution and massive immigration into the more industrialized countries evidence that our system is no more able to expel entropy out of itself. But if entropy is not discharged out of the system, it necessarily grows inside it. And when there is more energy, there is more entropy in a typical diminishing returns dynamic. Maybe, we can see here a negative feedback which has stopped the economic growth and that will possibly crash the global economy in some decades.

If this reasoning is correct, the political and the economic crisis, social disruption and, finally, failing states are nothing less than the visible aspect of the growing entropy inside our own meta-system. Eventually, global society is so large and complex which is articled in many correlated sub-systems and we are managing in order to concentrate entropy inside the less powerful ones: some yet problematic countries, lower classes and, especially, young. But these phenomena produce political shifts, riots and mass migrations to the core of the system. This means that also the elites have lost the capability to understand and/or control the internal dynamic of the global socio-economic system.

by das monde on Tue Mar 8th, 2016 at 12:42:22 AM EST
And while the current collapse of oil prices temporarily makes our energy relatively cheap, it does not directly reduce that energy consumed. But it does offer a fleeting window in which an intelligent species with foresight and the ability to act on that foresight, might set in place infrastructure and institutions that would enable the species to gracefully adapt to and learn, at last, how to live within the limits of the 'anthroposphere' we occupy.

Alas, humans do not seem to be such a species. Ugo Bardo's argument makes sense to me.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 8th, 2016 at 01:18:00 PM EST
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The article says:
In practice, sinks become problematic before wells do.
The lower oil prices might reflect exactly that: the civilization is stuck not at the energy production end, but with defecating waste. As an old steam locomotive, the civilization is progressing with more and more waste.
by das monde on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 04:15:39 AM EST
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The manufacture of a solar panel generates a lot of entropy, but its use over the next 20+ years generates almost none. In contrast, drilling a well created a lot of entropy as does every barrel of oil pumped, processed and burned, at each stage of the process, and as does every HCF of gas pumped and burned. This is even more the case with fracked wells, as they have to be re-worked frequently, each reworking producing lots of entropy.

The energy returned on energy invested for wind power or solar power may only be around 20, but, if manufactured with renewable energy sources, these devices will generate far less entropy to construct and vastly less to use over their lifetimes. What we have to worry about is not the entropy death of the Unverse, but the entropy death of our civilization, which will come much sooner.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 11:07:59 AM EST
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This is what happens when a humanities major takes Physics 101, learns of the concept of entropy, and attempts to apply it to make himself look intelligent compared to his brothers who never took a science course.

Why is the human species where it is?  Put a stick of dynamite and a lit candle into a monkey cage and see what happens.

Get this. The human species with:

  1. knowledge of the origin of the universe
  2. knowledge of physics, chemistry, BIOCHEMISTRY (ahem!), and evolution

still

  1. has a large percentage of religious assholes who believe in GOD, Jebus, "the after-life" because of their blind fear of DEATH.

  2. breeds like cockroaches and overpopulates the planet, thus producing 99% of the species problems and promises to decimate the entire planet till it looks like Mordor.

A final comment I decided to delete ... it wasn't pretty.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Mar 8th, 2016 at 10:22:57 PM EST
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The knowledge of the origin of universe, biochemistry, evolution is not near to thorough. And non-equilibrium thermodynamics is not a closed science yet. As for religion and overpopulation - by historical data the former might just as well be a good break of the latter, by considerately manipulating perception of ultimate purposes.

Quantification of energy sources, sinks and information complexity is a new trend in abiogenesis theory. Apparently, this article is capturing that latest theoretical gist.

by das monde on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 04:09:30 AM EST
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das monde:
As for religion and overpopulation - by historical data the former might just as well be a good break of the latter, by considerately manipulating perception of ultimate purposes.

A religion that preaches birth control, female control over sexuality and giving women the economic independence to be the de facto decider of the number of children they will have? What religion would that be?

by fjallstrom on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 05:04:52 PM EST
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We just know how it is supposed to be, brother!

"Giving" women economic independence in deteriorating economy (and environment) means cheaper labour and statistically more men unable to  provide   contribute to the modern standard of living and child upbringing. With higher percentage of "worthless men" there would be less children but more anger as well. And genetic, recreational privileges will go to fewer men as traditionally...

by das monde on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 09:23:51 PM EST
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das monde:
"Giving" women economic independence in deteriorating economy (and environment) means cheaper labour and statistically more men unable to  provide   contribute to the modern standard of living and child upbringing.

It means that only if the state does not provide full employment policies.

In a traditional setting it would be inheritance laws giving more (or at least equal) inheritance to women, society accepting adult women as independent economic actors and allowing access to high-earning economic niches to women.

So back to the question, do you know of any religion that has promoted such economic policies, or other policies leading to low births such as celebrating birth control?

by fjallstrom on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:08:12 AM EST
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Indulging your tangent, I already see you as a priest :-)

But I do not expect that the emancipating ideas are entirely novel in the history. Paucity of these religions might mean that these beliefs were not sustainable long enough.

On the other hand, consider Confucius and Buddha. Powerful women and equitable inheritance are not big news in the rather misogynous Far East. China did have a female emperor, other de factor female rulers, and some more. And the social-economic control in families is as amusing as you can imagine.

by das monde on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:35:28 PM EST
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England's proposal, which will be debated for quite some time yet, concerns heat and energy, the topics of thermodynamics.  This article appears to treat cultural events as energy phenomena or to otherwise equate the two in some simplistic fashion.  This isn't a capturing of England; it's a mugging, stretching thermodynamics out of any recognizable shape, probably due to a profound misunderstanding of the physics.  Civilizations collapse, but until human emotions can be reduced to heat dissipation events, I don't see how those collapses can be blamed on entropy.
by rifek on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 11:33:01 PM EST
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Thermodynamic treatment of  civiliation cycles  is  not original,  is getting  more frequent,  academically  as well.  What appears to be novel in the above 'humanitarian' article is larger attention to energy sinks (rather than just sources) - like in the England's work.

It is not clear that this kind of thermodynamic analysis is sound - but unsoundness is not obvious either. Scientific quality of the speculation is not trivial, and the overall logic might actually be right. Given potentially vital importance, it may be already taken seriously. The academic world will resist, but sometimes embarrassingly.

by das monde on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 01:23:11 AM EST
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by das monde on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 01:46:12 AM EST
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Social "scientists" (notably economists) like to twist mathematical and scientific principles out of shape to promote the fiction they are scientists.  England has proposed a thermodynamic reason that life has developed as it has.  He is not then trying to redefine everything as thermodynamic, unlike the economists.  Living things die.  Given that they are not individually closed systems nor parts of a closed system, entropy is not the reason.  The same is true for cultures.  Loss of resources or the ability to process those resources is not entropy.  "Things fall apart" is not a scientific application of entropy to economic collapse.
by rifek on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 09:31:51 PM EST
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As I said, economic thermodynamics might be a hogwash indeed. Or a serious science of vital importance.

Economics falls into the same category of emergent complex phenomena as life. The thought that thermodynamics eventually extends to social phenomena is shared by physicists I talked to eclectically - just no one can quantify it yet. Categorical rejection of entropy application to economics and politics could be a miserable mistake.

by das monde on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:45:02 PM EST
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First, I think you'll have a hard time convincing physicists that economics is a science, and economists daily prove those physicists right.  Thermodynamic economics, though, is exactly what we have here, as economists are fond of misappropriating and mangling maths and sciences.

Second, if you look at the Steve Keen link you posted, you will see some of what I'm talking about.  Keen posts a lecture about how energy ought to be viewed as the fundamental unit of production instead of labor and capital.  In the comments, the thermodynamic economists take it and start to run off with it until Keen is compelled to step in and remind everyone (gently, because Keen is not one to pick fights) that he was not talking about entropy limits but rather the opposite: that the open energy system that is Earth puts bollocks to the limitations currently being imposed in a growing number of countries.  As Keen is a Modern Monetary Theorist (Full disclosure: So am I.) and views just about every neoliberal monetary and fiscal policy from austerity to ZIRP is fundamentally flawed, this energy theory is consistent with his other positions, whereas the entropy theory is diametrically opposed to his positions.

Which brings me to point three, that there are growing suspicions that thermodynamic economics is nothing but a pseudo-scientific tool for neoliberal economists to help with their latest brief from the Ueberklass: Convince the Serfs that a declining standard of living is TINA.  It really is a perfect tool for the job, too.  All the drum-beating for austerity and its relatives is designed to convince everyone There Is No Alternative.  Things are in decline.  Cuts have to be made.  You have to expect less and accept it.  Your children will be worse off than you.  It's inevitable.  Entropy!  When in reality it's just a cover to preserve the global kleptocracy at the expense of the rest of us.

by rifek on Sat Mar 12th, 2016 at 10:15:13 PM EST
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Your kind of rejecting entropy (because of TINA implications?) is no more scientific and the opposite of embracing it. Just saying "open energy system" does not mean anything is possible. The discharge end ought to be open as well, at least.

If a decline is inevitable one way of other, it is a tough political-economic sale even on a small scale. If you want an interesting resolution, you better know actual limitations. Otherwise we are far out of the policy making loop:

Gaius Publius: The Goal of the Neo-Liberal Consensus Is to Manage the Decline

by das monde on Sun Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:39:42 AM EST
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I'm not rejecting beecause of TINA.  I'm rejecting it because they are not demonstrating how entropy has a significant part in the decline of civilizations or even why it should, given that no civilization is an isolated system.  I am additionally noting my opinion, which I am not alone in holding, that there is a close correlation between this theory and the political and economic goals of the rentier class.
by rifek on Sun Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:52:58 PM EST
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There are not many widely known studies on civilizations collapse. The most famous work is "The Collapse of Complex Societies" by Joseph Tainter. His reasoning about increasingly unmanageable social complexity could be translated into entropy terms, I think.

The thermodynamic approach to economy is far from mainstream. As one can joke, nobody knows what entropy and money mean. No one seriously followed Frederick Soddy (and a few predecessors) for most of the 20th century. This disregard compares better to other streams of ignored economics (Henry George, Marx, Veblen, E. F. Schumacher, now Keen, Hudson) rather than to the dismal mainstream. If the elites utilize entropy theories, they do that silently so far. With prolonged economic slump rather assured, be prepared for a wave of thermodynamic theorizing - sincere or hyped, of various quality.

by das monde on Mon Mar 14th, 2016 at 12:41:11 AM EST
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afaik we do not have knowledge of the origin of the universe.

We have some theories which explain many but not all phenomena believed to have occurred at that time, but most physicists working on the project (last time I looked) are of the opinion that there is so much more to explain that we are essentially awaiting a paradigm shift before we can make such claims

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 09:36:14 AM EST
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It's not even clear the question makes any sense from our point of view. We don't yet know if it does or not.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 10:39:26 AM EST
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THE Twank:
breeds like cockroaches and overpopulates the planet, thus producing 99% of the species problems and promises to decimate the entire planet till it looks like Mordor.

I would say it is a distinctly mammal breeding pattern. And no, 99% of the problems is not caused by population increase.

See for example 19th century Japan, with social changes they stabilised the popuation at a much higher level then previously supported. I am not certain if this was the period when part of rent was payed in granting the landlord the right to your human manure, but if so it is the kind of low tech solutions a society can use to close the circles and get rid of a waste problem. Sure it was crowded, but they did not cause much global warming. Not ideal, but ecologically pretty stable.

If we look at the world today we could all live at a  Cuban living standard - more beans and more reuse of technology - without exceeding the worlds limitations. We don't, and there is your problem.

by fjallstrom on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 11:35:58 AM EST
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"If we look at the world today we could ALL live ..."

Therein lies the problem. ALL is increasing. Earthly resources are not. Problems will get worse.  Lucky me ... I'm an old fuck ... I'm due to leave. I'm just here to observe ... I don't take any of this crap seriously. It's like being a dinosaur and watching the asteroid in the sky while everyone else is busy munching plants and eating each other.  "Hey folks, I think you should look up, what's that in the sky ... folks ..."  Forget it, not my problem. As I reach for the popcorn.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 03:00:23 PM EST
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Social change in Meiji Japan was not extensive. It was actually full embrace of the industrial revolution (not "low tech" at all) that allowed the population to double in about 50 years. This example fits very well the notion that population growth generally follows energy input. (As for entropy sink, Japan ultimately has the Pacific. Only recently it started to tap this limit.)

In contrast, China had tragicomic difficulty in implementing industrialization and modernization reforms. It had to suffer humiliation in Opium and Sino-Japanese wars, harsh trade concessions, Imperial collapse, decades of political bedlam. The thing is, the assertive Western colonialism caught the Qing dynasty on its downswing already. The population had swelled to 400 million, and environmental limitations were apparent as never before. The all wise government had manifest difficulties in collecting taxes (especially from most poor and most rich provinces) and maintaining infrastructure. From the energy input end, fast industrialization (like in Japan) would have helped China to maintain the population. But probably, there were deep problems with entropy sinking already.

The problems of population pressures are deep layered by social, political, economic frictions. Like with sex, there will always be a myriad of rationalizations why things happen or not happen. We have prefrontal cortices mostly for that.

by das monde on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 10:09:23 PM EST
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I meant pre-Meiji restoration, but I was wrong which century the stabilisation occured. It was stable early 18th century to late 19th century. Japan had a population between 10 and 18 millions in the year 1600 and a much larger population of around 30 millions in 1720. Then 1720 to 1873 the population is grew on average 0.1% per year until the Meiji restoraton. Estimated children per woman 3.2. And that was achieved (both growth and balancing) with low tech and little carbon emissions.

Then birth rates went up to around 5 during the first quarter of the 20th century.

by fjallstrom on Sat Mar 12th, 2016 at 04:00:03 PM EST
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"pre-Meiji restoration" - restoration what??

Wikipedia estimates Japan's population in 1600 to be 12-22 million. So there is little reason to imagine wild "achieved" growth in the first half of the Edo era. Even if the growth then was elevated, that is fully expected right after a period of momentous feudal wars.

What would be a highly remarkable achievement then is the "sudden" flat stabilization in the second half of the Edo era. What would trigger that? I can guess that the core reason for regular census counting since 1720s was established shogunate's concern of overpopulation.

by das monde on Sat Mar 12th, 2016 at 11:45:35 PM EST
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das monde:
What would be a highly remarkable achievement then is the "sudden" flat stabilization in the second half of the Edo era. What would trigger that?

According to Livi-Bacci, my standard reference on demographics, the reasons are debated. The mechanism was "widespread practice of abortion and infanticide in all social classes" as opposed to for example lower rate of marriage or higher age of marriage.

das monde:

I can guess that the core reason for regular census counting since 1720s was established shogunate's concern of overpopulation.

I would guess taxation, since that is a common reason for introduction of a regular census.

by fjallstrom on Mon Mar 14th, 2016 at 11:39:30 AM EST
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The mechanism was "widespread practice of abortion and infanticide in all social classes"
These are operational reasons. What would be the motivation?

I would guess taxation
Contrary to the political-military unification, economy and fiscal matters were decentralized. The taxation basis was produced rice, and it was levied on villages rather than individual peasants. Local governments were pressed to tax (and implement public projects). Taxation was hardly a reason for starting regular centralized census.
by das monde on Thu Mar 17th, 2016 at 08:48:50 PM EST
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das monde:
The mechanism was "widespread practice of abortion and infanticide in all social classes"
These are operational reasons. What would be the motivation?

That is apparently debated, and I am not familiar with the debate.

According to your first link:

Edo Period

From the 18th century onward, the area of cultivation and population remained relatively stable, but rice output continued to grow thanks to increased productivity. Contributing factors included double cropping, new species of rice, fertilizer (dried fish was popular), and invention of new farming tools. Many guidebooks were published to teach farmers how to produce crops more effectively and efficiently.

(My bold)

So it was not a lack of food as such.

Edo Period

The Edo society was agrarian (particularly at the beginning) with about 90% of the population being peasants. Later, the ratio declined somewhat. The basic unit of production was the small family. Previously, one farming household often contained many families plus servants. But official land surveys (kenchi) conducted before and after the beginning of the Edo period dismantled the big family system and created small farming units, with each family guaranteed of the land to cultivate.

According to the law, peasants had no right to move and were tied to the land as labor force (they were the tax base !)

Edo Period

Imposition of these financial expenses on hans had the effect of weakening the financial capability of hans so they were unable to build military forces to rebel against the Bakufu.

From this I would say it looks like that in order to conserv the political order by economic weakness of the hans, the central government needs to know how much of the tax base lived in each han. Formally this was achieved through binding the famers to the soil, but since they in practise moved a census gave more accurate information. But there is also the element of intentional dismantling of the big family system (as in several families), that the state for some reason wanted to do away with. The census could be a way of keeping track of that.

by fjallstrom on Fri Mar 18th, 2016 at 07:27:31 AM EST
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The yearly annoyance of moving in or out of Edo was already limiting daimyos' ambitions greatly, dominating effects of agricultural shifts on political stability. More volatile influence was from merchants. Especially the rice market was authoritative like banking today. With the 40% tax rate, the shogunate could control the price most of the time. From 1724, the policy was to keep the rice price high - possibly encouraging "widespread practice of abortion and infanticide in all social classes".

Some Google Books reading: A B C D

So we have significant economic and demographic changes exactly with the start of the regular census. This happened soon after the golden Genroku age, to be followed by Kyoho Reforms. Quite a typical picture of a wealthy society just past its original peak. If we are interested in prolonged sustainability dynamics (or testing demographic transitions), this example of a self-sufficient Pacific island is a good place to start.

by das monde on Fri Mar 18th, 2016 at 11:48:15 PM EST
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I think I found a fairly clear-cut way of seeing if the census and population stability was connected as a way for the state of enforcing popullation stability:

#Edo Period Part II -- Japan's Early Modern Period -- #Tokugawa

·         Calls for Frugality: He issued public decrees regulating women's dress, behavior of nuns, daimyō recreation, highway usage, and manners and morals in general. He insisted on periodic population censuses and issued decrees relating to mortgage and sale of land, sale of women, abandonment of children, secret adoption, and unauthorized wearing of swords or use of family names (310, Totman).

'He' here is shogun Yoshimune. This micro-manager is the introducer of the census. What I can't find is if he is pro- or against abandonment of children, secret adoptions etc.

If you find it and he is pro putting children out in the forest, then the census can be interpreted as keeping tabs on the population numbers. But if he is against abandonment of children and punishes it, then he is not trying to keep the population down, and then the census is not for that.

by fjallstrom on Tue Mar 22nd, 2016 at 10:58:15 AM EST
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Your reasoning is stretched. In stressed times, the elites seek to shift pressure, responsibilities from their institutions to ordinary individuals, families. Just like now, it is the fault of lazy, foolish, needy slackers for so much destitution, not of the system or of the affluent "pro-life" moralists.

Forbidding abandonment of children would do exactly that: push the responsibility and hardship onto irresponsible families rather than on the Edo state. That would discourage bearing children better than an implied promise of a kind society.

by das monde on Tue Mar 22nd, 2016 at 11:07:56 PM EST
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That is assuming that the Edo state would take responsibility for them otherwise. Given that we know of infanticide, abandonment of children is likely to mean infanticide through abandonment rather then adoption. And if the state is banning the mechanism of population control, it is hardly enforcing population control.

Btw, when focusing on the poor, you ignore the whole "all social classes".

Look, here you actually have a well-documented, patriarchal highly hierarchial island state that achieves stable population. You are unlikely to find a better candidate for your idea about patriarchal hierarchy achieving stable population to deal with limited resources. Just go find the evidence of the state actually promoting stable population through the mechanisms that population was held stable.

by fjallstrom on Sun Mar 27th, 2016 at 05:57:50 AM EST
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Why does achieving stable population require promoting stable population? Yeah, population control with broad public discussion did not happen in large societies so far.

I do not agree that allowing (or even promoting) abandonment of children would be weighty mechanism of population control. Far more efficient would be to put pressure on couples of not having affordable children in the first place. Even if the Edo state would not offer kind help, those children would be an "entropic" problem for the society and the morals. (See India.)

Stable Edo population, high rice prices for over a century are facts. You actually have to suggest something not involving hierarchy, patriarchy if you object so persistently.

As for "all social classes" - the higher classes have higher standards of living for their children. They would rather have K-reproductive strategy, so to speak. That is, they would rather have fewer children than bring them up stressfully for a miserable future.

by das monde on Mon Mar 28th, 2016 at 02:30:18 AM EST
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Japan had advantages over China during the entire colonial period. They were somewhat of an Asian version of Switzerland in that many of the local power centers had strongholds in mountains and the cost of waging a war in Japan for outsiders seemed to outweigh any possible benefits. Plus, Japan closed itself off, for better and worse, but it certainly increased the uncertainty in any planing for conquest. On the other hand China was an inviting target.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Mar 12th, 2016 at 06:16:37 PM EST
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Strongholds in mountains were not significant in Japan by then. Iconical castles were mostly build on a low hill, with a rather flat terrain in most directions. Contrary to Europe, living uphill was generally for lower classes. The Edo/Meiji Japan was smartly centralized rather than disunited to local power centers.

What set off the colonial rage against China was persistent trade disbalance between China and the West. The British could only offer opium for the "free trade".

by das monde on Sun Mar 13th, 2016 at 12:18:10 AM EST
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We've had a sub-thread about the effects of Obama care. One suggestion was to look at the number of medical bankruptcies. Another observable would be bad hospital debts:

Modern Healthcare reviewed the bad debt reported by hospitals and health systems for the third quarter of the calendar year in 2013, 2014 and 2015. The 52 hospitals and health systems in the sample are ones with figures for all three years in Modern Healthcare's financial database. They include some of the nation's largest multihospital systems, such as Ascension Health, St. Louis, and Catholic Health Initiatives, Englewood, Colo.

I would quote the results if they were collected in one place. Based on this the only strong claim I would make is that increasing Medicaid eligibility is better than not doing so.
Also health care management might not know what words mean:

Verity saw bad debt drop 57% between 2013 and 2015, and unpaid deductibles are now the focus of collection efforts.

Unpaid deductibles aren't bad debt??? How does he know?

by generic on Tue Mar 8th, 2016 at 08:15:51 AM EST
Get somebody who is covered but cannot pay their deductible, vs someone who is uncovered and can't pay anything, and your bad debt drops, because the dollar value of the unpaid full bill is greater than the dollar value of unpaid deductible.

It would not be surprising if unpaid deductibles are concentrated in the bottom tier Obamacare policies, which have the greatest adverse selection for those who would rather pay as little as possible upfront.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 07:00:02 AM EST
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Science Finds An Interesting Link Between Anxiety And Intelligence
Recent studies have shown that there is a link between anxiety and intelligence and it is a positive one.

Scientists found that people who worry a lot do so because they experience "high levels of spontaneous activity" in the part of the brain that manages threat perception [...]

People with anxiety are sometimes responding to a threat that doesn't exist. But, the response means that their imagination is highly active. An active imagination keeps you safe from threats that other people might not pick up on.

Is it thus hard to be cool and intelligent at the same time?
by das monde on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 05:32:57 AM EST
Only if you're an extreme fatalist!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 06:44:03 AM EST
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It's a hassle being a fan of 60s/70s music. You can love the invention, but sometimes you have to be aware that your "heroes" can have feet of clay. they are not always lovely people.

The UK is guilt-struck about the depravity of Jimmy Savile, a serial paedophile, pederast and general all round rapist, yet whose activities were conducted barely out of the spotlight. Equally, Gary Glitter, a 70s pop star and paedophile is now reviled and hounded all around the world.

Yet, Jimmy Page was also a pederast, well known for his preference for 14 year old girls. Yet somehow escapes censure. I love Led Zeppelin with all my heart, but Page is a damaged and horrible person.

And there's Bill Wyman. A man who actually boasted of his teenage conquests in his autobiography, who wed a 15 year old girl when he was in his 50s. I think the thing that winds me up about him is that book, I read it much like a terrible car crash, you want to look away but you can't. He revealed himself to be proud and unrepentant, perhaps even unaware that repentance might be appropriate. A disgusting, loathsome excuse for a human being.

And now he has prostate cancer. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm a shitty person too, cos I thought it was a somewhat appropriate gift of the fates.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 01:02:26 PM EST
Stonekettle Station - Jim Wright - Good person with a gun....NOT

"Thanks. All of ours [kids] know how to shoot too. Even my 4-year-old gets jacked up to target shoot the .22."

That was Jamie Gilt, a well known social media gun fetishist, responding to a commenter on Facebook last Monday night, and bragging how she lets her 4-year-old son shoot and how excited he is by it. This is pretty common with Gilt, she often talks about how well trained she is and how well trained her kid is around guns. And because she's an attractive Florida country girl, and loves guns and posts a lot of pictures of herself posing with various hardware, along with support for Ted Cruz and various racist statements, she's got a large following of mostly Southern white male gun nuts who eat it right up. She runs the Facebook page Jamie Gilt For Gun Sense.

Yesterday afternoon a Putnam deputy sheriff saw a woman driving a crew cab pickup truck towing a horse trailer driving erratically. The woman was frantic and signaled the officer for help. Upon pulling over, the deputy discovered Gilt, shot through the torso. Seems she was on her way to a relative's house to pick up a horse with her aforementioned 4-year-old in the backseat. She had also, apparently, left her loaded .45 caliber handgun in the backseat. The "well-trained" child picked it up and shot her through the seat with it. No word on whether or not he was "jacked up" at the time.

God, as the man said, is an iron

quoted in full for those without FB privileges

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 04:34:00 PM EST
The Rethuglicans keep sowing the wind and keep being surprised when they reap the whirlwind.  And for the record, the man who said (actually wrote) "God is an Iron" is Spider Robinson, In Galaxy Magazine, IIRC, back about 1976-1977.
by rifek on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 02:24:04 AM EST
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Why Bernie Sanders's Win in Michigan Is Huge  Nation

For me the story is the picture heading the article:

I have waited 48 years - since that infamous summer of '68, when I was 25 - to see young progressives this engaged and enthused. Better yet, it is about something that actually has a chance of happening and would be excellent if/when it happens.

That is a LONG time to hold on and it has been a deep, dark night. May it not be a false dawn.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Mar 9th, 2016 at 10:08:22 PM EST
Yeah, when first McCarthy and then McGovern got their heads kicked in, it got really hard to do anything other than go back to your day job.
by rifek on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 02:25:50 AM EST
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And then to be subjected to Nixon's lying 'peace with honor' bullshit, only to see it followed by escalation and a pointless war with Cambodia, the very existence of which was lied about. Watergate was such a marvelous vindication of all 'paranoid imaginings'.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 06:08:53 AM EST
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What I was specifically recalling was the appalling events outside the Democratic Convention in the summer of '68. Things went to Hell from there. And I was scarcely surprised to see suspicions that the Nixon campaign had undermined Vietnamese peace negotiations later confirmed. Treason is OK if committed by a right winger?! LBJ stayed silent because he feared the truth would 'tear the country apart'!? WTF did he think was already happening? Then Kissinger undermined Sihanouk in Cambodia, started the bombing and ground incursions, of which a close first cousin of mine was a part, leading to the rise of Pol Pot and the slaughter of 3 million Cambodians. Not yet sated Kissinger gives US assistance to the overthrow of Allende in Chile, which led to the slaughter of the intellectuals in the stadium in Santiago. Dark indeed.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 01:00:51 PM EST
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NYT blog
But it's also true that much of the elite defense of globalization is basically dishonest: false claims of inevitability, scare tactics (protectionism causes depressions!), vastly exaggerated claims for the benefits of trade liberalization and the costs of protection, hand-waving away the large distributional effects that are what standard models actually predict. I hope, by the way, that I haven't done any of that; I think I've always been clear that the gains from globalization aren't all that (here's a back-of-the-envelope on the gains from hyperglobalization -- only part of which can be attributed to policy -- that is less than 5 percent of world GDP over a generation); and I think I've never assumed away the income distribution effects.

Furthermore, as Mark Kleiman sagely observes, the conventional case for trade liberalization relies on the assertion that the government could redistribute income to ensure that everyone wins -- but we now have an ideology utterly opposed to such redistribution in full control of one party, and with blocking power against anything but a minor move in that direction by the other.

So the elite case for ever-freer trade is largely a scam, which voters probably sense even if they don't know exactly what form it's taking.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 03:36:56 AM EST
WaPo - Wendy Rahn/Eric Oliver - Trump's voters aren't authoritarians, new research says. So what are they?

Watch out, the authoritarians are coming!

That's been the alarm, after recent reports that scoring high in authoritarianism was the strongest predictor that someone would support Donald Trump. "Authoritarian" has some strongly negative connotations. So it's no wonder that anti-Trump pundits from Nicholas Frankovich to David Brooks have been quick to repeat this finding. What better way to equate Trump with Hitler?

But in our research, we find no evidence that Trump supporters are any more "authoritarian" (at least by common measures) than those who like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) or even Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.). Instead, Trump's supporters are distinctive in another way: They are true populists.

A very good analysis of what type of people are supporting which candidate. As Spock would say, "Fascinating".

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 02:57:50 PM EST
And this is also interesting. It seems a more nuanced view of Trump's appeal is emerging

Guardian - Thomas Frank - Millions of ordinary Americans support Donald Trump. Here's why

et us now address the greatest American mystery at the moment: what motivates the supporters of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump?

I call it a "mystery" because the working-class white people who make up the bulk of Trump's fan base show up in amazing numbers for the candidate, filling stadiums and airport hangars, but their views, by and large, do not appear in our prestige newspapers. On their opinion pages, these publications take care to represent demographic categories of nearly every kind, but "blue-collar" is one they persistently overlook. The views of working-class people are so foreign to that universe that when New York Times columnist Nick Kristof wanted to "engage" a Trump supporter last week, he made one up, along with this imaginary person's responses to his questions.
Are you feeling the Bern - for Donald Trump?
Read more

When members of the professional class wish to understand the working-class Other, they traditionally consult experts on the subject. And when these authorities are asked to explain the Trump movement, they always seem to zero in on one main accusation: bigotry. Only racism, they tell us, is capable of powering a movement like Trump's, which is blowing through the inherited structure of the Republican party like a tornado through a cluster of McMansions.



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Mar 10th, 2016 at 03:07:13 PM EST
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Yet another great essay from Jim Wright of Stoneketle Station blog. He puts these on Facebook, which is unfortunate cos I have to cut and paste all of it, which is not good netiquette and I apologise to Jim fro stealing his stuff wholesale. But I'm not sure if everyone can read it from FB. but if you can, please go "like"

Stonekettle station - Jim Wright - Brown shirts

n the 1920's a militia known as The Sturmabteilung, commonly called the SA or Brownshirts, was formed to provide "protection" for Nazi rallies. Their principle function was at first to keep protesters from disrupting Nazi political rallies, but the SA quickly expanded to intimidation through violence. The SA was composed of racists and anti-semites, thugs and brawlers, and nationalist fanatics determined to "take back" Germany for Germans and restore their country to its supposed former greatness. Elements of the SA disrupted the rallies and meetings of opposing political parties and predictably began a campaign of intimidation against elements of German society they deemed undesirable, such as immigrants, foreigners, gypsies, liberals, Leftists, unions, and in particular Jews. At first, they were unarmed, but very quickly the SA became the paramilitary branch of the Nazi party and their tactics evolved into open armed violence. In large part, Adolf Hitler was carried to power on the shoulders of the SA. Ultimately the SA gave birth to the Schutzstaffel, the infamous SS, which at Hitler's order turned on the SA and in a day of murder known as The Night of the Longs Knives purged it of any elements not fanatically loyal to the Reich.

Jump forward a century and remember the adage regarding those who forget history:

"Do you want to provide security protection to innocent people who are subject to harassment and assault by Far-left agitators? If so, you are welcome to join. That's the mission - to protect innocents who can't hire their own security guards."

That's the mission statement of The Lion's Guard, a militia currently forming to "protect" Donald Trump from "far-left agitators."

Lion's Guard said that their members would be unarmed, "but willing to forcefully protect people if need be. We are defensive, protective of innocents who are being beaten and harassed for their political views."

Except for that part were the only innocents beaten and harassed at Trump rallies are those who protest Trump's message. The ones Trump supporters have called leftists and possible members of ISIS and enemies of the United States. Except for that part where Trump himself has threatened to send his followers to disrupt the rallies of his opponents.

Just like the Stormtrumper who threatened me yesterday via email, these people seem to believe that the First Amendment applies ONLY to them and their candidate. More, they believe threats, intimidation, and violence are acceptable responses to anyone who opposes them.

For the last 80 years, people have looked at the Nazis and Adolf Hitler and the atrocities committed by that horrifying regime, they've boggled at how a democratic civilized country could devolve into murder and genocide and madness, and asked over and over "how could something like that happen?" When it was over, when the Third Reich was finally defeated at the cost of millions of lives and devastation on a scale that defies comprehension, even the Germans themselves had no answer. If you look at the films and interviews from that time, ordinary Germans are stunned, shocked, ashamed, repulsed, and sickened by what they had wrought. Many still are to this very day. And we still ask, how could this happen?

How?

Inch by inch. Piece by piece. Goon by goon. Thug by thug. Speech by speech. Rally by rally. Fear by fear. Hate by hate. Until one day, Germany woke up to find their country had been stolen by madmen who promised to make them great again in a thousand years of glory - but instead led them to ruin and disaster in an orgy of blood.

That's how.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Over and over.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 14th, 2016 at 03:24:21 PM EST
"And we still ask, how could this happen?"

Humans have convinced themselves that they are "civilized" ... not just unreasoning savages fucking their next door neighbor's young children. Well guess what? Trump is not the anomaly ... civility in any form is. So shit in your hand and fling it at someone ... be yourself.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Mar 14th, 2016 at 03:51:12 PM EST
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How very Crowley

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Mar 14th, 2016 at 04:45:15 PM EST
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Good post.

It is public on facebook (no need to have an account or be logged in to read this post), so quoting a part and linking will work.

by fjallstrom on Tue Mar 15th, 2016 at 04:09:41 AM EST
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Ha'aretz
The AJCongress -- a nearly century-old Jewish advocacy group whose operations have somewhat diminished in recent years -- on Thursday emailed out the results of poll about which presidential candidate its members think would be best for Israel. The email was titled "The Results Are In!"

At the top of the AJCongress list is Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, followed by a name that's trending online at the moment: "Donald Drumpf."

[...]

A couple hours after sending the email, the AJCongress issued a corrected version with a note saying, "The previous version of this email included an unfortunate and unintended spelling mistake. No offense was meant by it. We apologize for any confusion."

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Mar 15th, 2016 at 05:13:46 AM EST
Turkeys are voting for Thanksgiving, but it appears that there was at least one Owl amongst the flock.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 15th, 2016 at 09:47:48 AM EST
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