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Centrum of Democracy - Lacking Vision

by Oui Sat Mar 3rd, 2018 at 09:52:24 AM EST

How the Democrats changed under Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to a union of Lieberman Democrats and McCain Republicans. The result led to a people's journey in the blighted desert of thinking waiting for the prophet to lead the chosen people to the promised land. Unfortunely, not even a common goal has been defined. There is infighting and a possy mentality to throw out the bums, or worse.

First of all, in politics there is no room for ethics and morals, so one abuses the DNC to throw the election of candidates in the primaries to a favorite. The damage done cannot easily be corrected and flowed into the last months of the presidential campaign. Never before in modern times has there been two candidates polling such high ratings of impopularity. Because the GOP managed to unravel under pressure of the Tea Party candidates, its candidate Trump was a complete farce. Nothing good could come forth out of his campaign, his methods, his rhetoric ... yet he represented 47% of the electorate who bothered to cast a vote. The Supreme Court gave us George Bush II and the Electoral College gave the American people Donald Trump.

What Happens to the Democratic Party After Obama? | The Atlantic |

Obama lost fewer governorships than presidents' parties surrendered under Kennedy and Johnson (15) and the Nixon and Ford administrations (13)--and lost more than under Eisenhower, Clinton, and Bush (nine each). Only in lost state legislative seats (850) did Obama significantly exceed any of these predecessors, according to data from the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Ronald Reagan was the great exception to all this: During his two terms, Republicans gained 18 House seats, four senators, four governors, and 237 state legislators. Reagan was also the only two-term president since World War II whose party held the White House when he left.

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Yet it is understandable why many Democrats join Matt Bennett of the centrist group Third Way in believing "the party is in worse shape" after Obama than it was after Bill Clinton. Though the party's relative losses were comparable under each president, Democrats now hold a smaller absolute number of House and state legislative seats, as well as Senate seats and governorships, than in 2001. And for Democrats, losing the 2016 race to a candidate as flawed as Trump "is much, much worse than losing a basically tied election to Bush in 2000," as Bennett told me.

    "The lesson of this election is ... you have to have
    an overarching message for the country and it
    has to have a meaningful economic component."

In many ways, Hillary Clinton's loss raised to the presidential level the same problem that hurt Democrats down the ballot under Obama. Because the Democratic coalition has grown so clustered in urban centers, the party's capacity to compete for House or state legislative seats beyond those metropolitan areas dramatically eroded during his presidency. Similarly, Democrats have struggled to win Senate and governors' races beyond culturally cosmopolitan states that are mostly along the coasts.

How Missouri previewed Democrats' Midwestern slump | The Hill |

For more than a century, Missouri was a bellwether state in the presidential election, backing the winning candidate in every contest but one between 1900 and 2004.

That changed in 2008, when Republican candidate John McCain defeated Democrat Barack Obama in Missouri by less then 4,000 votes, even as he was soundly defeated across the country.

For Democrats, it was an ominous sign of troubling trends to come, overshadowed by Obama's rout.

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U.S. Presidential Inauguration - Jan. 20, 2009 (Photo credit: Getty Images)

The Show Me State is now solidly in the Republican column on the electoral college scoreboard. And Republicans hope to leverage their gains in 2018, when Sen. Claire McCaskill (D), one of the most vulnerable Democrats in the Senate, faces re-election.

More than that, the same demographic changes turning Missouri from purple to red are taking place throughout the Midwest, and could cost Democrats going forward.

"Missouri was the canary in the coal mine for Democrats," said Tom Bonier, a Democratic data analytics expert. "Missouri 20 years ago was a swing state. All the sudden it just fell off the table, and it was white working class voters just flocking away from the party."

This is the eighteenth story in The Hill's Changing America series, in which we investigate the demographic and economic trends shaping the face of American politics today. No state represents the exodus of once-reliably Democratic voters better than Missouri.

For years, Missouri represented the nation in miniature. Its politics played out on the tug and pull between St. Louis, a culturally eastern city, and Kansas City, a culturally western city. The north is a rural breadbasket, and the south is a socially conservative Bible Belt.

Obama turning the other cheek, kept his friendship with treacherous Joe Lieberman and made amends with losing Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton by appointing her Secetary of State. Another crucial mistake in the long run. See the history of regime change in Libya, Syria and Ukraine (under Kerry).

Dems give Lieberman wrist slap over backing McCain | AP - Nov. 2008 |

Taking their cue from President-elect Barack Obama, Democrats in the Senate decided not to take revenge on Joe Lieberman despite lingering anger over the Connecticut independent's forceful support of John McCain over Obama in the presidential campaign.

In opting to let bygones be bygones, Democrats decided to let Lieberman remain chairman of the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee even though some Senate Democrats wanted to punish him for criticizing Obama in a speech at the Republican National Convention and elsewhere as he traveled around the country campaigning for McCain.

Obama had weighed in on Lieberman's behalf to urge Democrats to make sure he remains in the Democratic caucus in the Senate. It was feared that taking away Lieberman's chairmanship might drive him from the Democratic caucus and send the wrong signals as Obama takes office on a pledge to unite the country.

"The Senate Democratic caucus has decided that if President-elect Barack Obama can forgive, so can we," said Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del., who helped fashion a compromise resolution that rebuked Lieberman for his statements but let him keep his chairmanship. "If Barack can move on, so can we."

John McCain meets Assad's opposition forces in Northern Syria - April 2012 | MintPress |
McCain sneaks across Turkey-Syria border, meets with rebels | CBS News - May 2013 |
McCain meets fascist party leaders in Kiev during Maidan revolt

America is the global terror nation and the most dangerous place to live in the Western alliance of nations. Perhaps a beacon for the Americas, but not anymore for Europeans beyond King George's Great Britain. Brexit and the fail of Theresa May. The "progressive" blogging community are now siding more often with Senator John McCain in the anti-Russia propaganda. Watching the world burn with eyes closed. And it stands to get worse .... little nukes anyone?

Lindsey Graham: War with North Korea would be 'worth it' in the long run | The Hill - March 2, 2018 |

America has become a spitting image of the once great nation, the moral compass of those seeking a nation as refuge from Europe's religious persecution of the Middle Ages - Mayflower and the Pilgrims' New World.

I think history may judge Obama a little more kindly, especially when compared to his predecessor W and successor. He only had control of congress for his first two years, and in that time passed a Stimulus bill and the Affordable Care Act - which even Trump hasn't been able to kill entirely.

Yes I think he could have used those first two years more efficiently. He was very inexperienced as a political leader and made some bad appointments. But it must be remembered he had very slim majorities in House and Senate and lost his super-majority in the Senate when Ted Kennedy died. He was therefore beholden to the most conservative Democrats around - people like Lieberman who were DINO.

He appointed some half decent judges and maintained high ethical standards. He must be the only President in recent history without a lot of scandals in his wake. Fat lot of good it did him and the American people in the end, but with Trump people may come to miss a time when you could actually believe most of what was said in the White House, even if you didn't agree with it. Libya was probably his worst foreign policy disaster, and even it wasn't as bad as Syria today, and despite everything, his Iran deal is still, just about, in place.

The medical profession lives by the motto "First, do no harm". Compared to his predecessors and successor, Obama did a lot less, even if he didn't live up to the high hopes he expressed.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Mar 3rd, 2018 at 11:32:12 AM EST
by das monde on Sat Mar 3rd, 2018 at 02:33:17 PM EST
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It depends. During Trump, there is sure to be Obama nostalgia, but then again there is W nostalgia so that may not mean much.

Longer term, a hundred years from now, I think he will be remembered as the first black president, but not more than that. The presidents that are remembered long term are those that presided over a change in politics or a major war or whose personal history make them memorable. Look at the 19th century and see how many that remembers more than Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln. Possibly Grant, and for the geeks Harrison - first president to die in office and shortest presidency. Until they - maybe - remember that Jefferson was actually president.

I think the great turning points after Roosevelt is Reagan (end of New Deal) and W (start of neo-colonial conquest and overreach) and then whoever changes these policies or presides over the end of the US empire. Or both, like Gorbachev. And the ones in between will eventually be forgotten, like Andropov or Tyler (Harrison's VP). Trump might be remembered if he starts a war or appoints an animal (not necessarily a horse) to political office (not necessarily the Senate). And Obama will be remembered as first black US president.

by fjallstrom on Sun Mar 4th, 2018 at 11:19:54 PM EST
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"He's not your boyfriend." 2010

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Mar 7th, 2018 at 08:59:18 PM EST

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