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The EU is dead

by IdiotSavant Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 03:48:46 AM EST

Remember the European dream? An ever closer union founded on respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights? Its dead: it is now official EU policy that refugees should be left to drown:



The European Union has condemned rescue boats picking up drowning refugees in the Mediterranean, in a dramatic hardening of the bloc's border policy that brings it in line with the continent's anti-immigration populists.

After a summit in Brussels EU leaders backed the approach of Italy's new populist government to the boats, suggesting the vessels should stay away and could be breaking the law by picking up those in distress.

A communiqué issued by the European Council warns the vessels' operators that they should defer to the Libyan coastguard, which NGOs say amounts to "deliberately condemning vulnerable people to be trapped in Libya, or die at sea".

And even before it was announced, Italy was lying to rescue boats to kill refugees, at a cost of hundreds of lives. And if they make it ashore, the EU is now talking about Australian-style concentration camps: refugee gulags in a continent with a dirty history of sticking the Other in camps and exterminating them.

If you ever thought that the European project was worth believing in, its not any more. Their craven politicians gave in to racists and actual fascists rather than standing up for the values they were supposed to protect. The EU is now the sort of union decent countries should quit, rather than continue to belong to.

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Two of my recent diaries on this topic ...

Global Xenophobia and Historical Amnesia
CSU Power Play - Munich: A Long Time Brewing ...

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 07:58:11 AM EST
Trump and the meltdown of the European project
The proposed creation of migration and resettlement centers outside the EU may not look as grotesque as Trump's Mexican Wall or Australia's harsh approach of holding unwanted migrants on islands such as Nauru and Manus in Papua New Guinea, in many cases for years, out of sight and largely forgotten. But the EU is essentially moving in the same direction that Trump is leading.

No doubt, the circumstances are strikingly similar, too. This populist approach fundamentally signifies the decline and collapse of the left, including the dissolution of the traditional working class. Democratic elections in Europe are increasingly turning into referendums on immigration and right-wing movements have skillfully exploited blue-collar voters' fears, while social-democratic parties have suffered historic losses in France, the Netherlands, Germany and Italy. This could have far-reaching consequences.

[...] today's Russia seems quietly pleased with the rise of the xenophobic far right in Europe - perhaps, secretly anticipating a resulting power shift in its favor. It is quite apparent that Russia is pinning its hopes on the far-right political trajectory of Austria, Italy, Hungary, Slovenia, etc - and possibly, of Germany as well in a near future.

by das monde on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 09:09:17 AM EST
The way we treat refugees is absolutely worrying, and reprehensible.

What would stepping out do for the refugees though?

My thought is that its not going to help them one bit.

So i assume that you call for an activist stance to leave the EU similar to what the right wing populists have been doing to pressure politicians to change to a more social and humane way of treating refugees.

Or am i misinterpreting that?

by bazzz on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 12:40:09 PM EST
Welcome bazzz! A new member from Holland ... enjoy the hospitality @ET.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 01:15:13 PM EST
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Thank you Oui. I hope it possible to have a little more interaction, than we have on BT.

I didnt appreciate your insulting and haughty behavior over there much, and i intend to ask you about it at some time. For now i hope we can avoid that as much as possible.

by bazzz on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 01:40:42 PM EST
No need to ask bazzz, I wrote a third diary to engage. End of debate.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 05:40:01 AM EST
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I am happy to engage Oui, once you finally take responsibility for your own words and actions.

But so far it seems to be a self pity laden excuse to avoid any of that.

If you want to start a discussion its likely not the best to call people fascists, brown coats and gestapo types.

When i tied to establish a basis to discuss this, you ingnored it, trying to shift the discussion, gish gallop and any tool you have at your disposal to obscure arguments, rather than to enlight anyone with a coherent explanation.

So much for avoiding the same behavior, at a later point i intend to be more explanatory about the details, for now i will let Oui do its thing and not escalate this nonsense any further.

I hope people can have a good look at the arguments, and be honest in their judgement of what is happenening. I feel honesty and fairness have been violated, and toxic behavior is not been taken responsibility for.

But i would understand if people choose to roll their eyes and think, please we have more important crap to worry about. Or maybe you prefer to take a side, because ideologically you are aligned with someone rather than the other.

I would hope that anyone would still care for arguments, rather than rhetoric, listen to reason rather than accusations, base their truth on facts rather than viewpoint.  

by bazzz on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 03:32:26 PM EST
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Sorry bazzz ... here @ET there are strict rules, and enforced. :)  Keep discussion and war of words at the original diary @BT. Thank You. I wasn't very happy with your second post here @ET.

Above comment is way off topic of this diary.

Same rules are applied by Martin Longman @BT, no dKos diaries and discussion or complaints @BT.

End of debate.


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 04:09:41 PM EST
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I think i am seeing your point, and its a good point.

And i dont think you are disingenuous anymore, or that your way of being is unwarranted.

Its hard not to be disrespectful any longer.

by bazzz on Thu Jul 5th, 2018 at 02:05:06 AM EST
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hard to be disrespectful after that, i meant.
by bazzz on Thu Jul 5th, 2018 at 02:07:29 AM EST
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Hi Bazzz. Welcome to the European Tribune. Please feel free to engage in discussions here as you feel fit, but it would be helpful if you didn't import disputes form other blogs here. Our regulars don't need to be exposed to disputes imported from elsewhere - we have enough of our own!

As a general rule we assume that contributors here engage with each other in good faith. If someone desn't respond to your comments in the way you might like, it is usually best to just move on. We can't demand that others engage with us on our terms.

Looking forward to seeing you making contributions here in the spirit of constructive criticism or perhaps even launching a few original diaries of your own! It's always easier to criticise others than to write your own diaries...

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 04:14:11 PM EST
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Ofcourse i am happy to follow the rules, as long as i feel they are sensible rules.

It sounds though that they arent strict rules, but more guidelines, is this correct?

I do intend to make a diary though, to ask Oui, and others to be specific about a few claims Oui made.

Since Oui has been making claims, and seems to suggest this is a better place for dissent, would that be appropriate to do?

I am not in a hurry, and i hope to get a feel for this place first, although i have been reading the front page for 10 years or so, like i read the BT frontpage, i mostly stay away from the diaries.

Only if i feel there is any point in doing so ofcourse, and if the community allows it.

by bazzz on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 05:06:21 PM EST
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For an extensive discussion of the rules, ETiquette and editorial guidelines, see here.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 05:38:44 PM EST
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Thank you, i did read them before, and as i interpret it, they are guidelines rather than strict rules.
by bazzz on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 06:14:03 PM EST
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One of the rules would be no bringing shit from other blogs over here.

You kids want to fight about BT shit, go do it there.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 06:19:38 PM EST
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Nice to meet you Colman

I agree with your sentiment, and i hope to avoid shit, if at all possible.

But i wont hide my feelings about certain things.

I hope thats within the rules, and if its unwanted behavior, i am happy to listen to reason on how to avoid it.

by bazzz on Tue Jul 3rd, 2018 at 07:02:28 PM EST
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It's a little difficult to tell from various news items I've read exactly what happened, but I don't get the impression an altogether complete picture of the events has been posted here.  Certainly the rubber raft could never have made it to Italy any more than Yossarian might have made it home. Had it arranged to rendezvous with the rescue ship?  Perhaps that might be relevant.
I doubt if the EU would have ever come together if its component nations understood they might be expected to accept an unlimited number of immigrants from non EU nations.  I don't think that defines the EU as either cruel or racist.  There are many countries with very low median ages and unfortunately high birth rates.  Suffering there will be endemic for the foreseeable future.  It is not within the power of the EU to solve that problem, I don't believe.
by Andhakari on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 07:13:43 PM EST
"There are many countries with very low median ages and unfortunately high birth rates.  Suffering there will be endemic for the foreseeable future.  It is not within the power of the EU to solve that problem, I don't believe."

Therein lies the crux of the matter in both the EU and the USA. In each case the policies of either the USA or now constituent members of the EU have contributed to the problems in countries that are the source of the immigrants. In each case substantial members of the electorate don't want to accept any consequent responsibility. So we start to turn fascist in our responses.

In each case misguided, wealth serving popular opinions about economic necessities are skillfully used to obscure any sensible resolution of the problems.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jul 6th, 2018 at 08:07:08 PM EST
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The EU succumbed to neoliberal brain rot, gambled in the Wall St. casino and is now waiting for the banking crisis to reveal how greedy, compromised and stupid our leaders in the EU really are.
(As if the Greek treatment were not enough to reveal the dark agenda behind the mask of noble goals.)
Arms sales, following US orders to sanction Iran and Russia, (yes sir, how high?), and dirty dealing with car companies and emissions tests, kow towing to mammoth lobbies.
Then the immigration issue...
The hypocrisy and general sliminess of Macron in this regard is remarkable.
Sarkozy was bad enough, Barroso a low point for the time, but the reason for the far-right swing in Europe was the gross mismanagement of the immigration 'business' and the people-trafficking interests, the mob, and the anodyne, complicit centre-left parties who lost touch with their bases and ignored the growing resentment, not for the immigrants themselves so much as the shoddy job of integration.
The NGO's do right of course to rescue people, but are the people who financially back the ONG's willing to take responsibility for what happens to them after rescue?
We smashed Lybia, now we pay.
Our corporations have been making banks off the backs of Africans for centuries, now comes the blowback.
Throwing money at Africa to try and redeem the plunder with money partly from the plunder is trying to push toothpaste back in the tube.
Racism is thriving, how can we educate bigots who want to hate someone they think is to blame for their plight, but instead of hating those responsible for this mess, they blame the victims!
It's laziness, too easy to kick those who are already down.
Maybe, just maybe, Europe can use this crisis to re-invent itself in a form closer to its noble aims.
It's the only hope, and hope is the last to go.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 07:20:28 PM EST


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jul 2nd, 2018 at 10:06:14 PM EST
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Sarkozy was bad enough, Barroso a low point for the time, but the reason for the far-right swing in Europe was the gross mismanagement of the immigration 'business' and the people-trafficking interests, the mob, and the anodyne, complicit centre-left parties who lost touch with their bases and ignored the growing resentment, not for the immigrants themselves so much as the shoddy job of integration.
The NGO's do right of course to rescue people, but are the people who financially back the ONG's willing to take responsibility for what happens to them after rescue?

What are you talking about here?

Also, I'd contend that Europe's rightward drift has very little to do with the handling of refugees. We had a Mayoral election in Vienna at the height of the migration crisis (from the local perspective. Arguably the crisis for the refugees is now quite a bit worse). And for all practical purposes the influence was nil, the non cringing socialist Mayor was reelected with broadly the same majority as last time. And at that time  the main train station was bursting at the seams. Certainly nothing that came after affected so many people negatively like the delays for commuters and overcrowded trains.

However, after Cologne the whole media establishment jumped on the "rapefugee" train as if their lives depended on it. In my more paranoid moments, this looks a lot like a bit of social engineering.

by generic on Fri Jul 6th, 2018 at 12:42:05 PM EST
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It's the perception of immigration that matters. It can be sold as a threat to personal prosperity, and a national pollutant - a convenient scapegoat for real political problems which are invariably home grown.

Some of the most xenophobic immigrant-hating areas in the UK have very few immigrants. The idea of sharing space with foreigners bothers xenophobes far more than the reality.

I'm firmly convinced that most racists are pre-rational authoritarians. They operate on an animal level of naive herd loyalty where displays of strength and independence matter more than future outcomes, not on a rational level where an understanding of cause and effect makes it possible to predict consequences.

Most professional racists - mostly on the right, but occasionally on the left - know how to take advantage of this for career gain.

Of course there's a sense in which anti-authoritarians are also in the wrong. By failing to understand that not everyone makes rational decisions, they tend to frame arguments in ways that fail to connect with the much cruder framing used by the professional racists.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jul 6th, 2018 at 03:07:57 PM EST
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Richard Seymour
Yet Merkel, though you would hardly know it from the reporting, is one of the major architects of Europe's racist backlash against migrants and Muslims. She is not so much the anti-Trump as, in her way, the condition for all Trumps.

It was she who decided, in 2010, to mount the continent-wide backlash against "multiculturalism", declaring it to have "utterly failed". In this, she aligned herself with her coalition partner from the CSU, Horst Seehofer.

It was she who, at this time, took up the portrayal of young Muslim men as violent criminals, a sentiment that has since been amplified by her opponents on the hard-right.

She is one of the major architects of Fortress Europe, particularly of the hardening of Europe's borders that, in recent years, has led to a massive increase in migrants being drowned at sea.

It was she, above all, who struck a deal with Turkey wherein the EU would finance the Erdogan government and turn a blind eye to its war against the Kurds, on the condition that Erdogan implemented pushback of refugees.

by generic on Thu Jul 5th, 2018 at 12:49:10 PM EST
As always, links at source.
(If anyone knows of an extension that can automatically filter html code instead of copying everything or only plain text, please let me know.)
by generic on Thu Jul 5th, 2018 at 01:15:53 PM EST
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I use a firefox add-on called "Copy HTML text" by a fellow called yukisama.

It doesn't have the automatic link and blockquote as far as I can see, but better then nothing.

by fjallstrom on Mon Jul 9th, 2018 at 11:58:20 AM EST
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I use Link text and Location Copier. With a custom template I get a link and the blockquote, but still only plain text in between.

Link Text and Location Copier

1.7.0
2018-04-19
Export and import your customized settings. Enabling editing of rich text.
by generic on Mon Jul 9th, 2018 at 12:22:13 PM EST
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Similar to Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi and his relationship with Berlusconi (migrants deal), French president Sarkozy (campaign funds) and Tony Blair (BP contracts).

The Megrahi Affair: Blair, BP and the Libyan link
Libyan Oil Deal Buys Release Lockerbie Bomber

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Jul 5th, 2018 at 01:27:00 PM EST
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How's the Sarko "investigation" going?
No news in Atlantic press corpse that I've seen.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Jul 5th, 2018 at 02:21:05 PM EST
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Farmers without Borders ... the Savoy in France!

French Constitutional Court sides with farmer who aided migrants | France24 |

France's Constitutional Court ruled on Friday that the "principle of fraternity" protected farmer Cédric Herrou from prosecution for aiding dozens of migrants from entering the country illegally.

The landmark decision - which will likely have far-reaching implications for the rest of Europe - stems from Herrou's lawsuit challenging his conviction for smuggling migrants across the Franco-Italian border, and calling for an end to the "criminalisation of solidarity".

The Constitutional Court found that Herrou could not be prosecuted for aiding migrants under the "principle of fraternity", which is one of the three values that make up France's national motto: Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.

"The principle of fraternity confers the freedom to help others, for humanitarian purposes, regardless of the legality of their presence on national territory," the court wrote in its decision.

Herrou, an olive farmer, became something of a folk hero in 2017 after he was fined €3,000 for providing assistance to dozens of migrants in the Roya Valley, which stretches along the border between France and Italy.



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Mon Jul 9th, 2018 at 06:15:14 AM EST
As I mentioned before, France24 TV channel in French language is OK, but its English language counterpart quoted here is, well, questionable (some say: "rubbish").

In two short paragraphs, Herrou is mentioned as "aiding dozens of migrants from entering the country illegally", and then: "smuggling migrants across the Franco-Italian border".

As it happens, Herrou is not picking people up in Italy and bringing them to France: never has. What he's done was to rescue them when they were lost in the mountains up the Roya valley - in French territory, in danger of exposure, and brought them to his farm. The SNCF shelter mentioned in the article is of course in French territory as well.

Many farmers in the French Alps have done the same: they know the mountain trails much better than the migrants coming in from Africa, ill equipped for mountain crossing, and have rescued many travelers who would be dead by now.

What the law has criminalized is not only smuggling foreigners across the border (that's human trafficking), but also merely helping them sojourning on French territory ("Aide à l'entrée et au séjour irréguliers"): that's for the latter that Herrou was prosecuted.

by Bernard on Mon Jul 9th, 2018 at 06:50:25 PM EST
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The correct locution is prostitution or slavery or sex work, depending on the utility and commercial value of the object transported by humans between localities.

However economic migrants, seasonal migrants, and war refugees who illegally cross sovereign borders are typically not classified prostitutes, slaves, or sex workers. The term "illegals" may satisfice.

Please make a note of it.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jul 11th, 2018 at 01:26:15 PM EST
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The majority of the people attempting to cross the Mediterranean sea to Europe have to pay smugglers, sometimes just to get to the shores of Libya, and then, must pay again hundreds of dollars to board onto these inflatable boats to be hauled to high seas and abandoned there. Once they get paid, the smugglers no longer care.

This human being smuggling activity is commonly called "human trafficking"; I didn't invent it.

Not to mention actual slavery, which also happens in Libya.

by Bernard on Thu Jul 12th, 2018 at 08:36:23 PM EST
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You're right about the politicians. They believe they are following public opinion because they are too scared to lead it; the reality is that they are validating people's worst instincts, and thereby leading us all down the drain.

But the European project is still worth believing in, because the alternative is worse. Quit? Hell no. Political campaigns on a European level are intrinsically more virtuous than national politics, because you have to leave your nationalist bullshit at the door. Actually europeanising the EU elections is the challenge.

Civil society is fighting back. See #seebruecke for example.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Jul 10th, 2018 at 03:15:10 PM EST


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