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September Open Thread

by Bjinse Sun Sep 2nd, 2018 at 08:21:48 PM EST

I would rather sit on a pumpkin, and have it all to myself, than be crowded on a velvet thread


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by generic on Mon Sep 3rd, 2018 at 07:18:20 PM EST
While searching for an old link about Saudi oil reserves I stumbled upon this:
MoA - EuroTrib
Jérôme, DeAnander and several others have opened "The European Tribune".
by generic on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 09:09:39 AM EST
Ah, jeez, I always sigh when I read that early stuff. All those great commenters whose voices have been silenced as they've gone on to have real lives. As was Billmon's himself.

Those days seem impossibly remote and ...optimistic. We really thought we were creating a new world, a better one. I'm sure people look back at us and laugh in the way punks derided hippies (for good reason; the naivety is painful).

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 03:29:04 PM EST
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people look back at us

They do?

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 09:52:59 AM EST
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that initial burst of political activity that started in the US through Atrios, Billmon and then dKos and suddenly mushroomed.

There used to be 100s of sites all offering their own take on US politics. But they quickly went dark through a Darwinian process of elevating the better run sites.

It's not hard to see similar processes occur in both UK Tory politics from 20010 and then again with Labour from 2016.

But each cycle learns from previous ones that naive optimism looks silly in hindsight

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 05:07:09 PM EST
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I was there :)

The blogosphere has changed significantly also due to the effects of social media and a broader public participating in the "debate".  I followed Martin Longman from dKos to Booman Tribune and an early entry to ET. The close-knit community of the Pond has evaporated in time, in part due to the Iraq War but certainly the hostility came about during the 2016 Democratic primary and the promotion of a wrong candidate who had little to offer the American voters.

As my primary interest is US foreign policy, especially due to the 9/11 attacks and the poor reaction of the Bush/Cheney administration to go into Afghanistan and later into Iraq without a goal and end game. The calculated policy to punish Saddam and create chaos in the Middle East has continued under Obama and Trump. NATO has lost it's purpose as a defence pact of nations.

The US conservatives and the British Tory party have succeeded to undermine democratic principles, planet ecology and continued to wreck the environment to meet demands of their capitalist partners to maximize profits. Will inequality lead to a necessary social revolution?

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 06:37:10 PM EST
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A lot of people made the mistake of assuming they were living in a liberal democracy, and voting according to liberal principles would make a difference.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Sep 12th, 2018 at 12:10:34 PM EST
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by generic on Mon Sep 10th, 2018 at 10:12:05 AM EST
Imagine being that

Hey. I remember being that.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 09:34:04 AM EST
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If your level of consciousness is high enough for you to have a memory, all is not lost.

I used to be afew. I'm still not many.
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 09:54:31 AM EST
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In the general case, their problem is that they think sex is the problem. In reality, they are incapable of forming an intimate relationship with another person, let alone a woman.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 09:36:57 AM EST
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So apparently Austria has a noted lack of candidates for police school. A pass on the 982 point test now starts at 200. At least they all get an assault rifle so I'm feeling safer already.
by generic on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 09:29:37 AM EST
You're not alone: meanwhile in France,

France urged to make it mandatory for all police to carry guns  - The Local

All municipal police in France should be armed with guns, a new report into how the local officers work, recommends.
The report, written by two MPs for French President Emmanuel Macron's party La Republique en Marche, Jean-Michel Fauvergue and Alice Thourot, proposes a total of 78 measures to improve coordination between the municipal police, the armed forces and private security agents.

The two MPs want to make the arming of municipal police officers with semi-automatic guns mandatory due to the increased violence they face and the threat of terrorism -- just as it is for other police officers and gendarmes.

[...] The municipal police (police municipale in French) are the local police force for towns and cities in France outside the capital.


What could possibly go wrong?
by Bernard on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 06:21:20 PM EST
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by generic on Wed Sep 12th, 2018 at 03:04:50 PM EST
EU Parliament votes to trigger Article 7 sanctions procedure against Hungary | DW |

Members of the European Parliament voted to censure the Hungarian government on Wednesday for eroding democracy and failing to uphold fundamental European Union values.

The measure to trigger Article 7 sanctions procedures garnered the necessary majority needed to pass, with 448 voting in favor of the motion, 197 against and 48 abstentions. The move means that Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban's government could eventually lose its EU voting rights.

Prior to the vote, it was unclear how many members of the conservative European People's Party (EPP) bloc, the largest political group in the European Parliament, would support the measure. Although Orban's Fidesz party is part of the EPP, several of the lawmakers voted against their Hungarian allies.

Juncker: 'I've given up' on reasoning with Orban

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, who gave a speech in parliament before the vote, told DW that he had "given up" on trying to talk with Orban about his hardline policies, saying "there are big differences" between the two of them.

"I constantly explain to Viktor Orban that this radical rhetoric he's directing towards Europe helps neither him nor Europe."

It isn't the Hungarian government they want to denounce, but Hungary | The Prime Minister |
Orbán defiant as EU parliament considers sanctions on Hungary | The Guardian - 1 day ago |

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed Sep 12th, 2018 at 04:25:18 PM EST
The War on Raspberries - Craig Murray

It did not used to be difficult, until around 1980 the Tories launched an extraordinary campaign to drive pickers out of the fields. Berry pickers, they decided, were an unacceptable part of the informal economy and were not declaring their income on benefits claims. Suddenly teams of besuited benefits inspectors started appearing among the raspberry canes demanding social security numbers. People signing on for the broo had to produce their hands for inspection for berry stains. There was a campaign in the rabidly Tory Courier newspaper which even alleged that Tayside berry pickers were a major source of funding to the IRA!

by generic on Thu Sep 13th, 2018 at 09:58:44 AM EST
Ha, yea, but ever since time began, governments have appease those who believe benefits are "something for nothing" by ensuring that any money earned above and beyond your basic entitlement was taxed 100% until you earned enough to get yourself ooff benefits.

And to ensure compliance with declaring small incomes, the punishments for not declaring such incomes were draconian, even before universal benefit was a gleam in the malignant visions of IDS.

People have long argued that it is easier to work yourself out of benefit if you can earn money in part time work. But that would interfere with the tory reflex to inflict harm on the poor, so.....

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 13th, 2018 at 09:29:42 PM EST
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Change.org, sponsored by Der Postillon.
Die Mehrheit der Umfrageteilnehmer kommt aus einem chronisch miesgelaunten, besserwisserischen Land!

Von über 512 Millionen Einwohnern der EU haben lediglich vier Millionen Menschen an der Umfrage teilgenommen. Allein 3 Millionen stammen aus Deutschland - die offiziell unzufriedenste Nation der Welt und aller Zeiten. Sollte die Europäische Kommission nun tatsächlich die Abschaffung der Zeitumstellung beschließen, würden es wieder einmal die Deutschen sein, die den Europäern ihren Willen aufdrücken. Das ging in der Geschichte Europas schon mehrmals gründlich daneben.

Currently 2,500 have signed; their goal is 1 billion.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Sep 14th, 2018 at 08:39:21 AM EST


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