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Theresa May: Dead Women Walking?

by Frank Schnittger Tue Sep 4th, 2018 at 08:37:35 PM EST

Nothing undermines a leader more than having important members of their own side align themselves with the opposition: First Donald Trump rather pointedly remarked that Boris Johnson would make a great Prime Minister. Then Boris Johnson chips in that Theresa May's Chequers proposals represent the white flag of surrender.  Now Rees-Mogg praises Barnier for his charm and remarked that Barnier and Brexiteers are agreed that Theresa May's Chequers proposals are "absolute rubbish.".

How is the poor woman supposed to conduct a negotiation when her own side give such aid and comfort to the enemy? In a normal democracy, Johnson and Rees-Mogg would be excoriated for betraying their own side. But it seems anything goes when it comes to attacking Theresa May. She is the fall girl for a negotiation they are determined to see fail.

Their only problem is how to prevent her from calling a general election if her putative "deal" is voted down in the Commons: A General Election that would quite possibly usher in Jeremy Corbyn into No. 10. So the trick is to undermine her sufficiently to cause her to resign the leadership without going to the Country first. She must not be allowed to clinch a deal on which she could then launch a campaign.


The longer this can be dragged out, the more likely a "no deal" Brexit. But that is a step too far in the machinations of Boris & Co. The first step is to saddle her with an unpopular deal, and then replace Theresa May without risking a general election.

Then sing "Land of Hope and Glory" loud and clear. Threaten the EU with dire consequences in the event of a no deal. Demand an extension of the A.50 deadline if that is required. Stomp your feet and hammer your fist on the table at an EU Summit. Go all apex predator alpha male. Fight them on the beaches...

Then present any deal, if one is agreed, as a major improvement on what May negotiated. The substance doesn't matter much. Presentation is all. You must be seen to have fought the good fight and brought home the booty, giving the Boche one in the eye for good measure...

All silly fun and games really, but also the substance of much politics. Any good stage play needs a villain, a Judas, and a Saviour - a white knight on his charger. The Dramatis personæ of epic struggle: Boris Johnson's Churchill to Theresa May's Neville Chamberlain, caught in the act of appeasement.

This is not a commentary on Theresa May's leadership qualities or her lack of them. It is her misfortune to have drawn the short straw in the Casting Director's allocation of roles in this epic tale. But fear not: An Astrological reading of Brexit charts predicts that Brexit will be followed by an economic boom in the UK because departing immigrants means rising wages and increased consumer expenditure for those who remain.

It also "predicts turmoil in Parliament, public disagreement among members of the Cabinet, probable changes in Cabinet personnel, and movements to increase the power of the voters over the political system." I could have told you that. The economic boom, not so much: I suspect the astrologer, who takes a very UK centric view of the world, has forgotten that all those departing immigrants also produced much of Britain's wealth.

The next step in this charade is the Conservative Party Conference in October. Expect lots of fighting talk on all sides: Lots of lambasting the Commission for it's "inflexibility" and failure to take a "sensible" approach. Ireland can also expect to come into the firing line for it's failure to engage constructively with more "imaginative" British proposals to avoid controls at the border.

And then comes November, the latest deadline for an agreement set by the Commission. Of course an agreement cannot come then, because that would be to cave into Commission "inflexibility". So this weary saga drags on into December, when a limited deal of sorts will be agreed and condemned by all sides not directly responsible for it.

That will be Theresa May's zero hour. Can she get it through the Commons, and if not, should she resign the Tory leadership or call an election? Is her primary loyalty to the party or the country? She may be Dead Women Walking, but she still has one crucial card to play. And Boris (or Corbyn) is going to have to bide his time.

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Still think it's odds on for No Deal.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 4th, 2018 at 11:53:01 PM EST
Yup

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 03:29:54 PM EST
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But the slightly more interesting question is why there is likely to be no deal.  Is it because of:

  1. Complete negotiating incompetence on the UK side?
  2. Inflexibility on the part of the Commission?
  3. Inflexibility on the part of the Irish?
  4. Completely unrealistic expectations on the UK side?

My vote goes to 1. and 4.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 05:22:01 PM EST
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although they'll maintain the fiction that it's 2 & 3 until they've finished plundering. Then as they bolt for the doors all we'll hear will be the cry of "so long, suckers"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 07:12:24 PM EST
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Combination of Leavers operating in a Land of Hope & Glory fantasy coupled with incompetent and inept Tory leadership meant the UK didn't have anything upon which to negotiate a deal.  We're 204 days out and the Tory government is still trying to cobble together a negotiating stance.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 04:03:26 PM EST
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I second your motion and call the question.
by rifek on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 05:35:03 PM EST
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It's 3 & 4. Ireland cannot compromise on the border because it's an existential issue for it. And the UK leadership has its head up its arse.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2018 at 11:18:38 AM EST
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The UK leadership doesn't even have a head.

Never in the entire history of England has there been so much arse on display, balanced by so little brain.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 7th, 2018 at 11:12:24 PM EST
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It is her misfortune to have drawn the short straw in the Casting Director's allocation of roles in this epic tale.

On the contrary; she fought for the role. A remainer, she kept her head down during the referendum campaign because she thought she might be an acceptable compromise candidate in the case of a Brexit result. A cynical career move. She got the top job, and in impossible circumstances, as she no doubt well knew.

There's no reason to pity her.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 10:22:19 AM EST
A reasonable alternate take, but what senior politician wouldn't try for the top job if they saw an opportunity? I doubt she had the vision to understand just how impossible it would turn out to be and might have seen herself as the "sensible" centrist alternative to the swivel eyed loons on the Brexiteer extremes.

Turns out there is no sensible centrist position on Brexit with any significant degree of support in the Tory party and perhaps nationwide. The "have cake and eat it" and "the easiest negotiation in history" brigade have left the negotiation job to her so that they can attack her when she doesn't deliver on their promises.

So she's the fall-girl for inevitable failure, but that failure is more due to circumstance than her cynical opportunism. I don't pity her, but also don't think that failure will be down to her personal qualities, or lack of them.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 10:54:32 AM EST
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Turns out there is no sensible centrist position on Brexit.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 11:40:27 AM EST
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It's like a doughnut, with no center and just a lot of lard and hot air around the fringe.
by rifek on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 05:46:40 PM EST
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So she set herself up to fail, which means either: 1) she walked in eyes wide shut, oblivious to the manure pile she was stepping into, or 2) she had and has an "apres moi le deluge" attitude, where "deluge"="PM Boor-Ass".  Neither inspires much sympathy.
by rifek on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 05:44:39 PM EST
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You also have to remember that, however she claims to have been a Remainer, it's also true she did next to no campaigning. It's almost like she wanted a Leave vote because, like most of the ultras, her husband is a disaster capitalist who manages a multi billion hedge fund which will undoubtedly make shit loads of money shorting the UK economy as we leave and then buying up distressed stock.

I can't help but think a no deal would be cause of much anticipatory celebration "chez May"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 03:42:04 PM EST
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She was also in charge of promoting racism and outright fascism while running the Home Office.

Windrush and the "hostile environment" are her responsibility, and possibly her creation.

And yes - I think the plan is to strip the UK and crash it for profit, with a side order of "Let's see what happens to the proles - and maybe we can get Tommy Robinson into No. 10 as a bonus."

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 06:52:01 PM EST
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I really don't think they have any interest in what happens to us, for better or worse.

It won't even feature as a bottom of page 94 single paragraph of any paper they're gonna read pool-side.

If they consider our fate at all, they'll read about the riots and the fires and think that we all brought it upon ourselves cos we're "born bad", ie poor.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 07:10:21 PM EST
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IOW, finishing Maggotty Blather's (or in Tory hagiography, The Blessed St. Margaret) work.
by rifek on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 05:49:56 PM EST
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, at the lack of reaction here to my inclusion of a link to an astrological site in this bastion of reasoned discourse. It's almost the first time I've read the stuff, and it has a language all of its own. Most of the 200+ comments are from ardent Brexiteers and I cannot help feeling they are projecting their own biases into whatever charts they are constructing. That and some home spun economics and the de rigour criticisms of the Brussels bureaucracy and lack of EU democratic accountability seems to make up the sum total of their insights, all coming from a very UK centric view point of view for all the supposed universal applicability of their "science". Anybody else got a more informed take on this?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 07:32:33 PM EST
You've read 200 comments? From Brexiters? About astrology?

Have you considered hitting yourself on the head with a hammer? Surely, it has to be less painful...

by Bernard on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 08:15:41 PM EST
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The things I do for my readers as a public service...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:19:23 AM EST
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You need to have yourself checked out.  It scares me the number of brain cells you probably just killed.
by rifek on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 05:52:55 PM EST
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Second, each of the world's nations is traditionally assigned to one of the signs of the zodiac. The United States, for example, is a Gemini nation; England is Aries; France is Leo, China is Libra, Russia Aquarius, and so on.

"and so on"? Well, I never!

Have the number of nations decreased or have the number of astrological signs increased?

You wouldn't catch me paying for a chart from this one. Nope.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 09:39:02 PM EST
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Maybe it repeats?
by generic on Wed Sep 5th, 2018 at 10:05:09 PM EST
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possibly. But who wants to be assigned to PISCES?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:13:51 PM EST
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That raises the intriguing notion that there are astrologers you would pay for a chart

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 10:32:03 AM EST
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I did! Once for my new baby. Make of that what you will.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 11:03:18 AM EST
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Did it prove to be i) accurate, and ii) helpful? Was the astrologer influenced by your natural anxiety for the welfare of your new baby?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 11:11:17 AM EST
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(i) I don't know. I lost it sometime between Y1 and Y2. iirc, it described temperamental changes and interactions with others. The last time, before today, that I wondered where it might be was after my child attained puberty.
(ii) See (i)
(iii) See (i)

The first two years was a um confusing period. My fears and ambitions were allayed over time with regular income and infant bowel movements (seriously, that was a significant concern, 8mo - 12mo but did not necessitate hospitalization, only PediaLite dosages). I'm almost certain though that the chart did not predict this or other typical, semi-medical emergencies that arise and which no one prepares one for. Older, more experienced people usually have something to say during and after the fact.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:04:00 PM EST
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Having had three kids and now two grand kids I am always amazed at the number of minor medical emergencies parenthood entails. How they manage to turn out all right after all the crises is a source of bewilderment and bewonderment to me - almost enough to make me consult an astrologer, - but not quite!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 03:23:10 PM EST
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Was the astrologer influenced by your natural anxiety for the welfare of your new baby?

I can't say. I never met or communicated with the astrologer in person. Our data transaction was wholly initiated and completed anonymously, electronically.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:09:18 PM EST
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England is Aries

As are Palestine, Israel and Syria. But Scotland is Cancer. On the other hand, the UK is Capricorn. This is confusing.

Is Crimea Leo or Aquarius?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:29:05 PM EST
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What's Wales?

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by Cat on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:51:01 PM EST
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Gemini
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:51:50 PM EST
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PREPOSTEROUS.
Virgo.
very slow acting, those types.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:53:35 PM EST
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The comments are stock Brexiter thinking. I'd guess they're nothing to do with astrology.

As it happens I know an astrologer. I showed her the post and she said "That's not the Brexit chart."

So there's that. Then she looked at the Brexit chart, and said that this is an example of some very long cycles. Apparently the last time it rolled around the UK had a mad king and lost the War of Independence with the US. And the time before that Henry VIII was about to cut ties with the Pope and start the English Reformation, followed by a bit of monastery robbing. And the time before that was the last crusade in which England played a significant role.

Make of that what you will. She also said that this time there was a serious danger of an absolutely crushing loss of international power and prestige - like the War of Independence, but far worse.

She also sent me this, which made me laugh, so I'll post it here:

Relevant to the UK now

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 12:50:59 PM EST
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So the long and the short of is that every few hundred years the UK (or more precisely, England) goes a little mad and goes on some crazy escapades which break previous relationships, and these generally do not go all that well, although they do usher in a much changed era.

"England" has a need to express itself differently and independently from Rome, Europe or the colonies etc. and is not averse to some looting and pillaging at home or abroad. Brexit as a "absolutely crushing loss of international power and prestige" sounds about right...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 03:35:47 PM EST
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She also said that this time there was a serious danger of an absolutely crushing loss of international power and prestige - like the War of Independence, but far worse.

Astrology or not, she might be on to something.
by Bernard on Fri Sep 7th, 2018 at 08:19:37 PM EST
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We'll see about that!
GEMINI MATCHED WITH ARIES
(needs 10-year chart)

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by Cat on Fri Sep 7th, 2018 at 08:35:35 PM EST
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I live in a country where 67% of the population believe an invisible bearded Sky Daddy created the human species.  I've become jaded to public demonstrations of the Knowledge and Critical Thinking Skills of medieval peasants.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 04:14:36 PM EST
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80% of the population believe

  • a Myers-Briggs Type Indicator measures personality
  • an IQ test measures intelligence level
  • a BMI caliper measures body mass
  • an FBI background investigation measures security risk
< wipes tears >
- corporations are not people
 

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 05:25:31 PM EST
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It's also a country where most of the population prefer a falsely precise sounding 67% to a more accurate "about two-thirds".
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 6th, 2018 at 07:28:32 PM EST
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For Darwin Day, 6 facts about the evolution debate

Roughly six-in-ten U.S. adults (62%) say humans have evolved over time, according to data from Pew Research Center's Religious Landscape Study. But only a little more than half of them (33% of all Americans) express the belief that humans and other living things evolved solely due to natural processes

100% - 33% = 67%

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Fri Sep 7th, 2018 at 02:47:44 AM EST
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touché

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Sep 7th, 2018 at 12:36:49 PM EST
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It also "predicts turmoil in Parliament, public disagreement among members of the Cabinet, probable changes in Cabinet personnel, and movements to increase the power of the voters over the political system." I could have told you that. The economic boom, not so much: I suspect the astrologer, who takes a very UK centric view of the world, has forgotten that all those departing immigrants also produced much of Britain's wealth.

I read through all the comments and surprisingly few were specifically astrological, easy enough to skip!
I was pleasantly surprised by how much common sense there was to be found, even with a large variety of opinions about this thorniest of issues, how to break up, stay friends and see each other every day across the channel fence.
Greer's belief is that large modern superstate political configurations are doomed in spite of their promise of increased efficiency a.because they were designed in a period of steadily waxing western economies using the near-free ride of easily extracted combustible energy and b. because they demand servility and deliver homogeneity, a one-size model that deculturates traditional national differences and fails to successfully shoehorn them all into harmony of shared interests.
As memories of the horrors of WW2 recede, the fear-based arguments for the EU's inception and continued existence correspondingly wane in the electorate's awareness.
So what is left as cohesion inducement?
Macron's vision, when his own country voted him in out of fear and is rapidly losing faith in his policies?
He has already served as hatchet man for business interests at the cost of workers' rights, his attitude to Italy has become rancid lately and his hypocrisy on immigration while his own banlieues are simmering in racism is making him as unpopular in the rest of Europe as he is in France.
His eager readiness to enter the fray in Syria, while never apologising for Sarkozy's blunder's having caused much of today's immigration overload, is revealing enough for many to see who he is and what he stands for.
Germany is losing its fear of being the Bad Guy and what anyone else thinks about it, while the sheer mass of its economy steadily colonises the rest of Europe through debt and worry about Chemnitz and what that might mean if something doesn't shift.

Maybe Wagenacht will be the next Merkel.

Maybe Salvini will go down in the polls with his new legal problems.

I think Greer is right about globalism and huge superstates that promise much and fail to deliver a dividend of safety against a repeat of the hard right future deja vu we see erupting these days.

Brexit or Bremain? Frying pan or fire?

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 8th, 2018 at 08:37:13 AM EST
My issue with Greer is his assumption that Brexit offers the UK the prospect of an economic boom when businesses are freed from Brussel's bureaucratic meddling and workers are freed from competition from EU immigrants.

I also find it difficult to take lectures in democracy from the only country in Europe with an entirely unelected chamber of parliament, no written constitution, an antediluvian FPTP single seat constituency political system which delivers wildly unrepresentative results and renders many votes pointless, and a media controlled by a few oligarchs who are not slow to subvert the democratic process in their interests.

Generally the UK has had a negative influence on the EU (and Ireland), and I am not too sorry to see it leave, even though I regret the harm that Brexit could do to my friends and the many fine people there. The extreme nationalist impulse behind many Brexiteers could also render Europe a very dangerous place if replicated across the continent. So for me, it is very important that Brexit be seen to fail.

Obviously I could be wrong, and a "red, white and blue" Brexit could prove to be an unalloyed success, at least for the UK. I might then even have to concede there might be something to astrology beyond the projection of repressed desires onto a dubious conceptual framework. I still expect that Brexit, and particularly a no deal Brexit to be little better than a disaster for the UK, economically, politically and socially. We shall see who's prognostication skills ends up being the more accurate.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Sep 8th, 2018 at 10:45:12 AM EST
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Even the far right is against cherry picking: Brexit: sympathy without support from Europe's right - BBC
"It is right to be tough," Andreas Rabl, the Freedom Party mayor of Wels told us, endorsing the European Commission's negotiating stance. "If it is possible for countries to exit and enjoy the same advantages as before, when they were still EU members, that would be a fatal signal to all other EU countries".


Schengen is toast!
by epochepoque on Sat Sep 8th, 2018 at 10:31:26 PM EST
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I think "superstate" is a misnomer.

Voluntary and involuntary political division of territory have been successful for a very, very long time. So has government ("clowncils") of confederate and federal ("leagues") political divisions (principalities, duchies, kingdoms, nations, nation-states, states, tribes, counties, provinces, protectorates, colonies, soviets, teams, &tc).

Greer smells like libertarian libertine autodidact trying to work out how to dispose of non-productive bodies (pun intended) without anyone noticing.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Sep 8th, 2018 at 06:16:14 PM EST
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Bollocks to Greer. The EU is failing because the option of making it democratic and transparent was never even tried. It was built by technocrats,  shaped by lobbyists and instrumentalised by national politicians; civil society never got a look in.

As for Brexit, a nation of shopkeepers with a belligerant "what's in it for me?" attitude is slowly and painfully coming to the realisation that there was actually quite a lot in it for them... But too late, as their (untranslateable) British bloody-mindedness dictates that they must put the foot to the floor and drive right off the cliff.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Sep 10th, 2018 at 03:26:56 PM EST
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MPs to reject British PM's Brexit deal: ex-minister
LONDON, Sept. 10 (Xinhua) -- A former British Brexit minister warned that a total of 80 Conservative MPs are poised to veto Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit plan, according to local reports on Monday.
[...]
The warning came one day after former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson called May's plan a "suicide vest" around the country, with the detonator in Brussels' hands.
full DPRK then. alrighty.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Sep 10th, 2018 at 06:52:14 PM EST
cohesion, bribery
MEPs ask EU to keep funding peace in Northern Ireland after Brexit
"The international cross-border dimension of the Interreg programme might be an interesting tool in this sense, Commissioner Crețu said."

archived
try to look surprised


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Sep 11th, 2018 at 04:19:44 PM EST
by generic on Wed Sep 12th, 2018 at 12:19:54 PM EST

cue gordon brown

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Sep 12th, 2018 at 04:21:39 PM EST
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Parody account.
by IdiotSavant on Thu Sep 13th, 2018 at 10:53:09 AM EST
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Be that as it may: same thread, same writer, same punch line.

Leaving EU would make UK the North Korea of Europe, warns Gordon Brown

Never. Gets. Old.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 13th, 2018 at 11:31:11 AM EST
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