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My Take A Short Extension, No Election [Update]

by Oui Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 06:45:23 PM EST

[Update-1]

Long Extension, December Election

"quite a turn-around as Jeremy Corbyn meets obligation of promise made"

[END OF UPDATE]

I have no clue what the EU-27 will decide on Friday, but to extend three months will NOT solve the domestic problems of a dysfunctional House of Commons in a twist with Downing Street 10 and the Boris Brexiteers.

Europe needs to get Brexit done, after long negotiations with Theresa May, her deal blocked by the ERG Group, it's time to get a deal done and start the most difficult trade negotiations. Time for a general election has gone, whatever the outcome, little will change and worst case the UK gets out with no-deal after all.

EU to decide on Brexit extension -- but then what? | DW |

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is waiting on word from the other 27 EU heads of state and government on whether the October 31 Brexit date can be delayed.

"Alas we cannot now know what the EU will do in response to the request from Parliament -- I stress it wasn't my request -- to ask for a delay," Johnson told the House of Commons.

Option 1: Extension, no election, try to finalize deal

Continued below the fold ...


The quickest way out is for Boris Johnson's minority government to try to push its existing Brexit deal through Parliament. However, that will require at least some opposition support because the Conservatives fall well short of passing a deal by themselves.

The deal risks either not passing Parliament, or being altered in ways the EU might object to, which could also scupper the deal.

The benefit to choosing this route, from the point of view of many MPs, would be completing the first stage of the Brexit process before returning to the voters in a general election. Almost all sitting Conservative and Labour MPs pledged during 2017's campaign to take the UK out of the EU, in one way or another, in order to fulfill the referendum decision.

Johnson has said he would prefer a general election to this, but he may not have a choice. An election campaign would last in the region of five to six weeks, so a shorter extension would leave no time for this.

[...]

If Labour wins a majority outright, or various opposition parties unite to form an anti-Tory coalition, then the way forward becomes more murky.

Corbyn's party, if elected, is pledging to renegotiate a different, softer deal with the EU, and then to put that deal to the people in a referendum, against the option to remain in the EU.

Each stage of this process would surely take several months -- assuming Europe's patience endured. But the added delay would be sweetened by the potential prospect of the EU retaining all 28 of its members.

A Corbyn win and months of delay ... delusional thinking! Not an option the EU-27 with Macron leading, would be able to accept.

PM Boris Johnson will give MPs more time to debate Brexit deal if they agree to Christmas election | The Independent |

Boris Johnson has offered MPs more time to debate his Brexit deal in parliament if opposition parties grant him a general election ahead of Christmas.

The prime minister appealed to Jeremy Corbyn to support a motion for an early election next week, as Mr Johnson cannot call a poll without the support of two thirds of MPs. But Labour is divided over whether to support the plan, as the party is trailing in the polls.

It comes as Mr Johnson faced a battle to get his Queen's Speech passed today, but will not quit even if MPs vote it down, No 10 has said. It would be the first time a government had lost its legislative programme since 1924 - when PM Stanley Baldwin was forced to resign.  

Display:
EU Council cannot and will not impose "written procedure" on UK "constitutional requirements." So. To whom is Tusk addressing procedure to accept the UK request for another A.50(3) extension period?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 08:02:02 PM EST
The other 27 Heads of Government who must, unanimously, agree to any A.50 extension.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 10:14:02 PM EST
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Michel Barnier: Boris Johnson's behaviour has 'limited the chance' of a Brexit deal
The EU is now concerned that any concession it could make would be wasted on such an unstable government, which has burned any political goodwill by deploying the language of betrayal and surrender when talking of those who oppose a no-deal Brexit.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 10:35:37 PM EST
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As literally nobody knows what the UK's constitutional requirements are, the EU Council is in the invidious position of having to work them out from first principles.
Perhaps the European Court of Justice should decide what they are.
I'm sure Boris would like that.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:19:57 AM EST
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Sadly, no "EU officials" have yet  leaked this "telcon" to the Guardian. UK yella sheets will improvise with fantastic informatics, as is the custom.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 08:06:34 PM EST
wut: "If the EU refuses an offer of an extension there is now insufficient time for the UK and EU formalities for an extension to be satisfied before 31 October and so we will either leave without a deal or revoke.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 09:27:21 PM EST
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Deja vu as France digs in heels over extension | BBC News |

As Westminster waits and the prime minister calls for an official EU decision to be made, France is acting as a spoke in the wheels. Much as it did back in spring when leaders debated the April Brexit extension.

But France worries a 12-week extension could encourage more UK indecisiveness or a general election which may prove inconclusive on Brexit.

President Emmanuel Macron favours a short, sharp Brexit delay; encouraging MPs and the UK government to concentrate on ratifying the newly-negotiated Brexit deal.

Mr Macron is fed up with the more than three-year EU focus on Brexit and the ever-present threat of a no-deal scenario. He'd rather shift attention to reforming the EU itself, to the benefit (he believes) of the countries remaining in it.  

More chicanery from Boris, he obviously wants a parliamentary majority to write the trade deal with the EU himself. Therefore Boris announced the date for a general election.

France wants reasons for more delay

    Also on Thursday, France's European Affairs Minister Amelie de Montchalin said Paris would agree on the extension if London can provide reasons for it.

    "The French position is to give more time if it's justified, if we understand why we're doing it; some time to ratify (Britain's Brexit accord) obviously, ... If we're told 'We want to have elections,' we'll look at the question of elections," she told France's RTL broadcaster.

    "It's not a matter of ultimatums, it's an issue of clarity," the minister said in an interview.



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by Oui on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 08:37:56 PM EST
needs moar SCHEDULE FORM LETTER with signatures.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 09:39:47 PM EST
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Processes for making free trade agreements after the United Kingdom has left the European Union
Presented to Parliament by the Secretary of State for the Department for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade by Command of Her Majesty, 19 Feb 2019 (T. May admin)

House of Commons Library, "The October 2019 EU UK Withdrawal Agreement"

Only two Articles in the main Withdrawal Agreement have changed from the November 2018 text, and the changes are minor.
[...]
Changes to the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland
The most significant over-arching difference between the October 2019 proposals and those set out in the November 2018 WA is that the previous 'backstop' maintained a much more complete and encompassing set of relations on goods between the EU & the UK (although it also would have raised barriers for economic relations as it did not cover trade in services, movement of people/workers, movement of capital, transport services etc).


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 12:49:59 AM EST
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by Oui on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 09:37:56 PM EST
Headline has changed ...

EU may rethink extension after PM's latest manoeuvre | The Guardian |

The EU's plan to offer the UK an extension until 31 January on Friday is expected to be put on hold after Boris Johnson threatened to pull the Brexit deal if Jeremy Corbyn rejects a general election.

Sources said the dramatic developments in Westminster needed to be fully understood and the choreography in Brussels could change.

Suggestions that the Labour leader could reject Johnson's demand for a general election on 12 December provoking the prime minister to pull his deal set alarm bells ringing.

Sources said the French government wanted to see the outcome of the vote on a general election before making a decision, but that the other 26 member states were ready to grant the three-month extension.

Why `the will of the people' is a myth in British democracy  

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 10:11:36 PM EST
It's a trap!

[X] extension "secured"
[X] Sec.2(7) Fixed-terms Parliament Act of 2011

Johnson demands December election, ABANDONS `do or die' Brexit promise

In a letter to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, Johnson conceded that EU leaders were likely to grant the extension to the Brexit talks which he was FORCED by lawmakers to request last weekend.
[...]
However, Corbyn stoked further confusion by then telling reporters the party would support an election once a no-deal Brexit would have been ruled out, and would make a decision once the EU had made a decision on the terms of an extension.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 10:25:22 PM EST
needs moar Guardian flow-chart wallpaper?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 10:44:44 PM EST
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RTE is funded in whole or in part by Ireland government.

Boris Johnson to seek December general election, 10 Downing St. correspondence (facsimile)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 12:17:25 AM EST
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Boris on an early election stump ... all a charade when EU-27 won't grant 3-month extension. Get the Brexit deal wrapped-up man!



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by Oui on Thu Oct 24th, 2019 at 10:58:32 PM EST
Another incomprehensible solution. "The WA is only the start. The really hard work of getting all the details done will take years to finish."

Ok, so then let it be a no-deal exit, and start working on those details right now. If that is where the complexity lies, and the WA is just an introductory paragraph or two, then getting busy on the long-term trade agreement would be better than another few months of delay. (Followed inevitably by another few months of delay.)

It seems doubtful that large scale exporting of non-EU compliant products and services from the UK is already queued up and ready to go. It takes time to get a decent smuggling operation in place.

Throw together a few temporarily regulations (easy enough under the current rule wherein last-minute, hundred-page long bills can be reviewed in a couple of days) and "get over it." As we say over here on this side of the pond.

by asdf on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 03:45:57 AM EST
Stalemate diagram ... after having a tantrum, Boris tries to escape from a Good for Nothing House of Commons. Setting another trap for opposition parties, although he needs those same parties to move the Withdrawal Agreement forward through the legislature.

I expect the EU-27 to act as grown-ups and leave the London playground for Boris. A short extension to advance the Brexit legislation will bring clarity to all. Stop Boris when we can't stop Brexit ... make it orderly.

Boris had to shelve his Oct. 31 deadline and "do or die" campaign slogan ... HoC needs to get to work and legislate. Keep Boris boxed in his playpen and move on to get Brexit done on the agreed terms with the EU.

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by Oui on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 06:39:57 AM EST
Boris' threat to pull Brexit bill if HoC doesn't play ball. Javits calls the pillar of democracy a zombie parliament - source Irish Times.

May I suggest the Tories and Boris have second thoughts on the effect of the border in the Irish Sea and the threat to the Union. Boris attempts to scupper the agreement with the EU-27. Don't be fooled by this usurper of power ... a dictator in spe.



Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 07:52:36 AM EST
Link to interview Chancellor Sajid Javid ...

EU likely to delay by three months days Javid

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by Oui on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 09:41:03 AM EST
I certainly can't comprehend it :

Johnson's deal may yet fall foul of the European court

Under EU law it is difficult for anyone other than a state or EU institution to directly challenge the legality of EU measures so a challenge may not immediately arise.

However, national measures implementing the deal can be challenged by individuals in national courts who could then refer the legality of the agreement to the Court of Justice under Article 267 of the Treaty. Given the degree of unhappiness amongst DUP supporters, such as challenge is almost inevitable.

A literal reading of the treaties suggests that the Court should find the agreement to be in breach of EU law. However, the Court would be aware of the political earthquake this would cause. It has in the past been willing to be flexible with the limits imposed by the Treaty.



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 10:27:51 AM EST
And it's pointless anyway since it's pretty much guaranteed to reignite the NI conflict by pissing off Loyalists and creating a fucking smugglers' utopia. They've already pissed off the Republicans. What could possibly go wrong?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 12:15:19 PM EST
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I thought about possible merits on appeal a while ago, and wouldn't eleaborate, given ECJ ahh activism on Wightman. (The court's interpretation of VCLT-> TEU created a right not explicitly stated.)

Didn't comment except on timing, which was a bit disingenuous. Suits against UK, filed before exit date, have recourse to ECJ, ECHR up to 2022, iirc. (This right is stipulated in the WA; the "implementation or transition period" still ending 31 Dec 2020.) I can imagine, say, Gina Miller, "lawyering up" to stay exit on appeal.

Meanwhile, Tusk "activism" in Council exposes A.50 conclusion to UNCERTAINTY!!, although Macron famously derided 3-month renewals back in May, before EP elections. VdL has weighed in behind the ahh Tusk faction with disposition of an equivalent statutory right--UK commission--which Tim Barrow formally declined last July.

The salient point in the drama is: Not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. "EU gov vacilation is reasonable to the extent that it eliminates unpredictable legal outcomes in future A.50 notices. EU gov is making precedent, yo.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 02:21:38 PM EST
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My understanding is, first, a "Gina Miller" suit against UK cannot reach review of ECJ unless appeal is exhausted in UK court; and UK court requests ECJ review.

ECJ may or may not take up review regardless of "no-deal" status at exit. It definitely would in WA.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 02:30:01 PM EST
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I have stated my own non-partisan contempt for UK institutional politics seven ways to Sunday. That opinion in no way was intended to promote the ahh superiority of US institutional politics. Which distinguishes my attitude toward and expectations for government from some other vocal eurotribal readers' relentless search for SIGNS of authoritarian OPPRESSION and TYRANNY which relieve them of their hapless reliance on yella sheet scribblers for directions on WHO?, not WHAT?

Ballot or bullet?

Srsly?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 03:01:39 PM EST
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Sat Oct 12th, 2019 at 12:12:28 PM EST
one week before the crazy SCHEDULE FORM LETTER climax of stupid: Now, let me remind my detractors. I have said long ago, if I have thought of it, I know someone else has, too.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 03:13:23 PM EST
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BLACK TUESDAY

EU delays decision on Brexit extension until lawmakers vote on election

Ambassadors will meet again early next week, "either Monday or Tuesday," to continue the discussion, only a few days before 31 October, officially still the date when the UK is set to leave the EU.
[...]
In spite of the uncertainty, whatever the decision, it will be taken by written procedure. President Donald Tusk "has no intention to convene a special European Council," EU sources confirmed.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 06:28:49 PM EST
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Yeah well the UK isn't going to decide on the election until the EU gives the extension, so there!

#takingbackcontrol

by asdf on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 02:55:46 AM EST
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EU Council expect clarity out of Downing Street 10 - their negotiating partner. Will wait and see how HoC will vote on the Boris Bluff of a general election. This is more madness ... fits well for next week's HALLOWEEN! Ghouls and Tories' zombies in parliament. Why wouldn't Donald Tusk send a trial balloon over London ... an unsigned letter with a random decision linked thru letterhead send from EU offices in Strasbourg.



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by Oui on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 02:06:58 PM EST
Electioneering, no cost involved and free press ... Do Nothing Jeremy Corbyn stopping #Brexit people voted for ... it's for people to decide in the dark days of December ... let's get #BrexitDone ... but not right now as this chosen Parliament wants a say in my perfect agreement with our partners in Europe. Tusk and Juncker are such fine persons over there in Brussels.

Partners in Europe

PS Sorry, have other responsibilities. No I can't, no way to answers questions in HoC liaison committee. Call my office for a new appointment in 5-6 months time. Oh no, no delay, just very busy!! Got to go ... am in a hurry.

Rees-Mogg breaks broken news to a horrified house | The Guardian Opinion |

    Ceci n'est pas une pipe.  This is not a sketch. Just as Magritte played with traditional conventions of words, images and meaning, so modern politics works in reverse. The surreal has become fully integrated back into the real. So much so, it's almost impossible to distinguish between the two. If a train were to emerge from one of the fireplaces inside Westminster palace, no one would bat an eyelid. Other than to express surprise that it was on time. Chris Grayling's legacy lives on. The sketch has become more or less straightforward reporting.


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by Oui on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 02:34:42 PM EST
"ditches date": That's alliterative and easier to recall than "The Pause."

My gawd forefend the day that Guardian reminds anyone that HRM BoJo was, as they say in America, for it before he was agin it.

In related 2020 ELECTIONEERING NEWS, having not "secured" the desirable, estimated, future electoral outcome of Anyone Buttrump by messing with CENSUS2020, gerrymandering, red baiting, and tax evasion in the courts or impeachment "inquiry" in the chambers, DCCC discovers! Shelby v. Holder (2013), the work product of ROBERTS, SCALIA, christ KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO:
House Democrats scrambling to rewrite the Voting Rights Act to fulfill campaign promise

Fudge -- who asked for this assignment late last year in exchange for backing Nancy Pelosi of California for House Speaker -- said she was unsure why House Democratic leadership is rushing to advance a bill that might need to be updated later.

"It's most unusual," she said.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 03:40:51 PM EST
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by Oui on Fri Oct 25th, 2019 at 03:02:56 PM EST


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by Oui on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 08:06:41 AM EST
They should have called it UK-wtf, that being the first thing to come to mind every time the UK proposes a new opportunity to admire their special selves.
by Andhakari on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 08:43:13 AM EST
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The task force was reportedly not named Task Force UK, for some reason.
by Bernard on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 09:09:50 AM EST
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EC Establishes Task Force for Relations with UK for Brexit Work | Moody's Analytics |

EC announced that it will set up a Task Force for Relations with the UK (UKTF) as part of the Secretariat-General. The new Task Force will include the current Task Force for the Preparation and the Conduct of the Negotiations with the UK under Article 50 Treaty on European Union (TF50) and the Brexit preparedness unit of the Secretariat-General. The new Task Force, just like TF50, will coordinate the work of EC on strategic, operational, legal, and financial issues related to Brexit. This decision will take effect on November 16, 2019, regardless of developments in the UK.

The UK's relationship with Euratom and potential consequences of the UK's exit from the EU  on the supply of medical radioisotopes and nuclear research in the UK.  [pdf]

Further reading ...
Iran, Radioisotopes, & the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:14:38 AM EST
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I will call for an election day, after day, after day ... to get things done. No endless delay ... to get #BrexitDone. [Source: The British bullsh***er sitting in Downing Street 10]

Why can't I rule Britain without a Parliament?

Johnson To Call For Snap Election After Conservatives Suffer Key Parliamentary Defeat

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says he is ready to call a snap election after lawmakers cleared the way for a vote on Wednesday to prevent the U.K. from leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement at the end of October.

The announcement was the culmination of a dramatic day that saw a defection rob Johnson and his ruling Conservative Party of their single-seat majority in Parliament.

"I don't want an election, but if MPs vote tomorrow to stop negotiations and to compel another pointless delay to Brexit potentially for years then that will be the only way to resolve this," Johnson said after the 328 to 301 vote to seize control of parliamentary time on Wednesday.

A general election, which Johnson's aides say he wants for Oct. 14, would be the third in just four years for Britons.

As Johnson addressed the chamber, Lee silently crossed the room and took a seat with the opposition Liberal Democrats under a heavy rain of jeers and cheers from his fellow members of Parliament. The seemingly outsize reaction was warranted: The loss of Lee's vote erases the tenuous working majority enjoyed by the prime minister's coalition, just as a possible vote looms on a bill that would bar Johnson from leaving the European bloc without a deal.

So PM Johnson got a negotiated UK-EU Brexit deal through parliament, members of parliament were willing to expedite the legislation, and yet what does the childish Boris say to grown-ups in Parliament: "You can't have the ball, it's my ball and I'm taking it home with me to Downing Street 10. I want to play against another team, not you ... you defeated me too often, so I want a House full of Brexiteers to cheer me on."

I do hope the British people see through this sham played out in London over the heads of All the People of Britain. Don't let Boris, Tories, Farage, Cummings play you for a fool again after the shameful lies and false slogans of the June 2016 #Leave Campaign.

 ○ Brexit: The Uncivil War showed us how the EU Referendum was won with Data Science

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by Oui on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 08:44:06 AM EST
gov "programme motion" fails, 308-322

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 02:18:42 PM EST
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Indeed "expeditie" as antonym to "cramming down yr throat" in a day with no oversight in committee or proper debate with economic data or insight. 🤓

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by Oui on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 03:39:23 PM EST
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wut are you yammering?

When HoC rejected PM "programme motion" without alternative motion LAST WEEK, HoC prevented committee debate of "implementing legislation" of THE WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT in HoC and Lords. No sub-commitees, no whole committee. No report.

Mr Authoritarian,

Don't you think EU ngtotiators read UK-English? Checkt it.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:52:51 PM EST
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"'expeditie' as synonym" to "cramming down [something] yr throat", to soffocate; where gov "programme motion", or schedule for HoC debate of WA approval + LETWIN "implementation legislation" is (=) [something] crammed cramming down yr [HoC] throat.

except HoC reject, voted against motion to gov programme motion to debate [LETWIN amd.] "implementing legislation". SO. HoC swallowed nothing.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:45:29 AM EST
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How Brexit Will End | The New Yorker |

The ructions in Westminster took on historic proportions. Johnson lost his first seven votes as Prime Minister. In one, rebel Conservative Members of Parliament joined the opposition to pass a law aimed at preventing Johnson from taking Britain out of the E.U. without a deal. Johnson asked the Queen to shut down Parliament; the Supreme Court opened it up again. He called for a general election; the Labour Party, led by Jeremy Corbyn, refused to agree to one unless Brexit was delayed. The pound fell. Death threats multiplied. Politicians quoted poetry. A third of British adults said that Brexit had affected their mental health. A man in a clown outfit stood outside the gates of Parliament shouting, "Save our bendy bananas!"

Within weeks of the Brexit deadline, three very different outcomes were still possible. Johnson could somehow defy the odds and replace May's deal with a more extreme form of Brexit, and get it approved by Parliament. He could seek to disobey the law and take Britain out of the E.U. without a deal. Or he would have to ask for an extension and hold an election, and the whole sorry story would continue. Newspapers published very complicated graphics, indicating all the branching futures. Foreigners marvelled at the mess. One European ambassador described the situation to me as an "intoxicating self-blockade."

[...]

Since taking office, Johnson has sought to channel the nationalist impulses that brought about the Brexit vote. Unlike May, who quietly campaigned for Remain, Johnson headlined pro-Brexit rallies and spoke of looking forward to Britain's "Independence Day." He talks winningly about the country's future outside the deadening regulations and pooled sovereignty of the E.U. "The people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts," he has said.

But Johnson's political career has been marked by lies and evasions. "He is genuinely a bad person. Not an unlikable person but a bad person, as in he has no morals, no principles and beliefs," a former close colleague told me. "He would be whatever Prime Minister was necessary to maximize the chances of gaining and then maintaining power." Between 2008 and 2016, Johnson was a liberal mayor of London. During his campaign, earlier this year, to become the leader of the Conservative Party, he veered between promises to leave the E.U. on October 31st, "do or die," and strange, chummy disquisitions on his hobby of making model buses and painting the passengers inside.

So Boris missed a career as London bus driver taking you for a ride ... if you wat to ride with me, you will have to pay my fare!

David Miliband: Brexit is wrecking British democracy

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by Oui on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 09:02:34 AM EST
What expectations did they have of the CONservatives? Did Arlene and Nigel complete counting the £££ billions promised NI for their vote?

'Disgraceful': Unionists slam minister over Irish Sea checks | The Guardian |

Unionist MPs have branded the government's approach to Northern Ireland in the Brexit talks "despicable" and a "betrayal".

In his first appearance before the Northern Ireland affairs select committee, Julian Smith, the Northern Ireland secretary, was questioned about plans to require businesses selling or transiting goods from the region to Britain to complete special paperwork in order to trade post-Brexit.

Smith said the checks would be minimal and the focus should be on the "great opportunities" awaiting Northern Ireland.

But Ian Paisley Jr, the DUP MP for North Antrim, said it was disgraceful to expect any business to complete paperwork for goods being sold in "our country, not a foreign country".

In a tense exchange, he asked Smith where he lived. When Smith told him he lived in North Yorkshire and London, Paisley said: "If you had to move goods from North Yorkshire to London and have to fill in a form, you'd feel pretty aggrieved about that. We are in the same country. It is disgraceful."

DUP says Johnson's Brexit deal would take Northern Ireland in 'wrong direction'

    Today I give clear notice that going forward the Democratic Unionist Party will look at every proposal, every legislative provision, and every amendment through one prism and one prism only. How does this best protect the Union? [Source: Nigel Dodds @#DUP19]


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by Oui on Sat Oct 26th, 2019 at 04:24:31 PM EST
what is the matter with you people?
reading comprehension?
attachment disorder?
addiction to controlled substances?
addiction to off-label Rx?
IQ?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:50:00 AM EST
DNA pairwise symbols?
RNA pairwise symbols?
Money velocity?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Oct 27th, 2019 at 12:56:34 AM EST
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The situation here is pretty psychotic.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Oct 27th, 2019 at 01:00:15 AM EST
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We can all agree on that (for various values of "here").
by Bernard on Sun Oct 27th, 2019 at 09:03:55 AM EST
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by Oui on Mon Oct 28th, 2019 at 09:39:02 PM EST


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by Oui on Mon Oct 28th, 2019 at 09:39:32 PM EST


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by Oui on Mon Oct 28th, 2019 at 09:40:05 PM EST

Mark Meadows on drug pricing

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by Oui on Mon Oct 28th, 2019 at 09:40:43 PM EST
I saw that spin off an American twitter account.

It's alarming to be sure but predictable. Last year, eurotrib was supposed to be reviewing val, vol of FX arbitrage ops from US running through IE customs. You should be expecting EU "middle-man" to be cut out, leaving the vig on "rationed" meds to UK vendors with NHS purchase contracts.

Anyhoo, I did a run through gov bi-lateral trade MOUs a couple weeks ago. They are not hidden, but they'd only explode guess when? After expiry of the WA "transition or implementation period"! HRM gov has been "pulling forward"  earnings sources in anticipation of exit date(s) over the next three quarters. Just enough red meat to placate the leavers FYE 2021.

At the rate and direction HoC is moving on the "Letwin" albatross, that date will be 31 Dec 2020--when WA terms and conditions fall off the table--BECAUSE HoC hasn't ratified the WA.

On the bright side, given this alert in the near-term, HoC might devote greater attention to eliminating Henry VIII clauses and SIs "deregulating" HRM gov.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 02:09:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
General election: Labour fury as 'sell out' Lib Dems offer to help Boris Johnson secure pre-Christmas poll | The Independent |

Labour has launched a furious attack on the Liberal Democrats amid a row over Boris Johnson's attempts to force a pre-Christmas general election.

Senior figures in Jeremy Corbyn's party condemned Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson after she joined with the SNP in ditching an opposition party agreement to oppose a snap election and offered to help the prime minister secure a December poll.

Labour is expected to vote against Mr Johnson's attempt to force an election when MPs vote on the matter on Monday and says it will not support a poll until a no-deal Brexit has definitely been avoided.

[...]

Ms Swinson said she now accepted that the current Parliament would never support plans for another Brexit referendum and that an election was needed to break the current deadlock.

That prompted an angry response from Labour. John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, accused Ms Swinson of "selling out" the campaign for another referendum.

    "Looks like the Lib Dem and Tory pact of 2010 is being re-established. They are back together, selling out the People's Vote campaign and the cross party campaign to prevent a no deal. The Lib Dems will stop at nothing to get their ministerial cars back."


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Mon Oct 28th, 2019 at 09:56:21 PM EST
Lib Dems sell out?  Who could ever have seen that coming.
by rifek on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 09:58:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Labour will only agree to election if Johnson forbids no-deal Brexit
it's still there in his mind, it's still there in the bill [?], and it's still there as a threat," he told TV reporters after addressing a trade union conference in Ayr.

"It's got to be completely removed before we'll support an election. We want an election as soon as that's removed and it's in his hands to do so."

But the "Benn Act" worked as intended without a signature or a glowing endorsement from HRM BoJo, didn't it? It also FORCED him to accept EU agreement to HoC's SCHEDULE FORM LETTER.

"Letwin" guarantees the HoC will be requesting another A.50(3) extension period by SCHEDULE FORM LETTER on or before 31 Jan, because the HoC --not HRM BoJo--made passage of the EUWA2019 prerequisite of WA ratification; because no one wants to clean up 'John Bull's political slum'; and because the thing will never get to or through Lords by 31 Jan --whether or not parliament dissolves for a GE. All very anti-climatic.

On the bright side, a GE would FORCE (word of the month) a wash up. Then HoC can start all over with a NEW! speaker, NEW! old squads, and NEW! "bill bids" anchored to a Second Referendum.

Which is also not "a deal" with the EU. Will voters notice?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 01:22:19 AM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 02:09:24 PM EST
by generic on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 03:30:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
General election: Labour says it will back pre-Christmas poll

This is the HTML title:downing-street-signals-compromise-on-potential-general-election-date. But the Guardian story covers Corbyn backpedaling opposition to actual electoral process with a couple of bald-faces lies and cost-shifting onto "alliance" partners. Can you spot them? Let me help.

Besides UK ELECTION 2019. It's a trap! and paranormal parliamentary sideshows in the presses, our Corbyn-surrogate Nick Watts inadvertently admits that some unnamed Minister of the Crown will, a week too little too late, propose a "programme motion" to revive a 2nd reading of the Teh Letwin++ Bill.

gov "programme motion" fails, 308-322, without alternative tabled by any Minister of the Crown
At a loss for excuses, Labour backbiting and anti-democratic manuevers (best of all HRM Jeremy by appt, promoted at eurotrib) have run the course of plausible "popular" vindication. The People's Vote/Remain (LLC) campaign is in shambles, of such little use to "grassroots" partisan organizing the Guardian won't hide it. And Labour is sliding in all sorts of dodgy-as-hell opinion surveys.

Deep in epochepoque's link to an (incomplete) comparative essay about "popular" paradigm-shifts in EU political institutions is one such chimney of poll smoke. The salient point--inferred in either the narrow or broad contexts of political legitimacy as expressed by voters' ambivalence to "sovereignty"-- is Labour is losing the lead as "government" opposition.

The UK has a deep, deep hole to crawl out of.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 04:14:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]


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by Oui on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 03:27:19 PM EST
archived: Three days in politics, 12 Dec or 9 Dec "debate"

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 04:24:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
gibberish, 27 Oct

SNP and LibDems urge EU: Block No-Deal then we'll get an election

  1. yeah, I actually searched the innerboobs for this reported "joint letter" from from Ian Blackford and Jo Swinson (full text) and came up empty. Maybe it surfaced in the wake of VICTORY.
  2. Why isn't the headline, "SNP and LibDems urge Parliament: Open Withdrawal Agreement then we'll get an election"
  3. How does "extension to Brexit ... rule out a No-Deal"?
  4. What is prohibition that only the EU instead of UK MPs can perform in UK Parliament?


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 11:16:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Negro, puuuuuleeeeze. Git. "Flextension" is your "legacy." Come 1 Dec, Charles "WHO dat?" Michel is president of the council and Ursula "Name your Portfolio" VdL is his right-hand. All of which isn't much to work with to assshure teh Union.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 05:16:01 PM EST
The government will pull plans for a 12 December general election if parliament passes amendments to allow 16 -17 year-olds or EU nationals to vote in it, Downing Street has said.

Number 10 sources made clear that they regard the changes to the franchise proposed by Labour MPs as attempts to "wreck" the plan for a snap election put forward by prime minister Boris Johnson.



Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 05:18:06 PM EST
Tory voter-suppression fu has been overstated by the presses since 2016... or 2017. The jig is up, Team BoJo! The HoC is on to HRM tricks.
A government bid to prevent amendments to its election bill was rejected in the House of Commons by 312 votes to 295.
Perhaps some Minister of the Crown ELEVATED by the hoi poloi in the next "sitting" will finally, fucking introduce a bill to revoke A.50.

Instead of fondling the former Letwin++ "enabling legislation".

archived
The Electoral Commission, "Dealing with doubtful ballot papers in GB, Supporting UK Parliamentary elections". 2017

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 05:41:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Perhaps some Minister of the Crown ELEVATED by the hoi poloi in the next "sitting" will finally, fucking introduce a bill to revoke A.50.
They had best be VERY sure of the security of their bolt hole if they do. But a few months after they might be a national hero.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:07:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
wtf: "Shetland warn of risks of flying ballot boxes to count centres"

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 05:52:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Flying ballot boxes may indeed cause serious injury. Unless you duck just at the right time.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:31:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I understand it would take six months to pass the necessary legislation. Not a viable amendment ...

Even some Tory MPs suggested for John Bercow to delay his resignation .... a request for extension 😄

The HoC could use its limited time for more urgent topics. There were some chants "four more years".

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 06:30:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Amendments on votes at 16 and votes for EU nationals not set to be put to vote


Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 06:34:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oddly enough, all citizens of the UK are EU nationals. But count on the clods in the meeja not to even know that.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 06:38:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No border in the "Irish Sea" some 300 ft. of sea level ago ...



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by Oui on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 07:10:43 PM EST
Landssakes, the Irish Times takes a census.

Who is missing, "undercounted," or "overcounted"? 11 hours ago ...
Commons Speaker John Bercow said it was clear an "overwhelming majority" of parliamentarians were in support of the legislation at second reading. But MPs could seek to amend the Bill as it undergoes further scrutiny in the Commons later on Tuesday.
This bill has one purpose. Can government "opposition" focus on that? IS THAT POSSIBLE?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 07:17:39 PM EST
by Bernard on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 07:19:00 PM EST
Is Boris chickening out, afraid to lose seats in the Christmas General Election - not serving stuffed turkey?

Conservative party restores whip to 10 MPs | The Guardian - live news! |

Here's a little more on the news that the Tory party has welcomed back 10 rebel MPs. The prime minister was said to have told them he always wanted to find a way for them to rejoin the party and the 10 MPs accepted his offer to be readmitted. A party spokesman said:

    They have had the whip offered back to them, they have accepted the whip: they are Conservative Members of Parliament with the Tory whip.

He said the decision was not a comment on those who have not had the whip restored. The former Tory chancellors, Philip Hammond and Ken Clarke, along with former justice secretary, David Gauke, are among those not to have been welcomed back.

Their number also includes Sir Oliver Letwin, Justine Greening and Dominic Grieve, as well as Rory Stewart, Guto Bebb, Anne Milton and Antoinette Sandbach. Each of them remains an independent MP, while Sam Gyimah joined the Lib Dems.



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by Oui on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 07:19:51 PM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 09:09:02 PM EST
Ahahahaha it will never end! Hopefully European governments have figured this out now and will just ignore the noise from the UK.

Although I don't see what the big deal is with having an election in December. The US votes in November and the weather here is a lot worse.

Meanwhile, Turkey is negotiating the purchase of Su-35 airplanes from Russia, which will trigger a serious discussion in NATO.

by asdf on Tue Oct 29th, 2019 at 11:36:26 PM EST
Not to mention the New Hampshire Primaries.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 01:05:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
or the Iowa caucuses


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:16:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, but everybody knows Murkans are tuff as shit.

Cut British civilisation some slack, willya?

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:28:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Please pardon my dense skull, but I cannot see how or why a no-deal Brexit has been ruled out. Can someone please explain?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:21:19 AM EST
Agreement by all EU-28 member states ... sufficient assurance for Labour and Jeremy Corbyn that a no-deal Brexit cannot be imposed before the UK General Election of 12/12/2019.

    (13)
    "This extension excludes any re-opening of the Withdrawal Agreement. Any unilateral commitment, statement or other act by the United Kingdom should be compatible with the letter and the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement, and must not hamper its implementation. Such an extension cannot be used to start negotiations on the future relationship."

Labour backs general election as Jeremy Corbyn says no-deal Brexit is now averted

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 08:37:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, I also get the sense that the core around Corbyn is confident that they can do well in an election while the main part of the PLP are panicky.
by generic on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:02:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If you're a disaster socialist then you might as well throw the dice: either you  win, in which case power, or you lose, in which case your opponent will inevitably create the conditions for your imminent future success.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:55:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
For what value of "imminent"?

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 01:50:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Like that Jesus guy's imminent return.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 01:52:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yup.

And till then the Devil's in charge.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 01:52:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I mean if you run a political party and are in opposition you really can't run away from elections for any extended period.
by generic on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 02:03:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There is that, and in the previous UK constitutional set-up we'd have seen several in the last few years, but the FTPA screwed that over. This election is long overdue. That it's very likely going to lead to yet another hung parliament with factions who don't want to form coalitions and who probably can't agree on a solution to Brexit is unfortunate.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 02:06:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But that insurance against a 'no-deal' Brexit attempt lapses after the election. The strongest argument I can see is that the EU Constitution requires that a withdrawal from the union be done in conformance with both the EU Constitution and the constitutional requirements of the exiting country.

Under such an assumption The Benn Act would prevent approval of an exit both by the UK and the EU. But, in practice, nothing would stop a determined PM with a majority from attempting to leave anyway. It would all come down to what the Supreme Court decided.

I have to agree with Frank: the turkeys voted for Christmas. Poor turkeys were just too exhausted to fight further.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 03:39:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Of course it does. But if a PM is returned with a sufficient majority of No Deal MPs to exit with No Deal, well, that's a horribly dysfunctional democracy for you.

One of the likely outcomes is a PM supported by MPs elected by 30% - which is easily enough for a majority - of the electorate dragging the UK out when the electorate is actually against Brexit.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 03:48:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The UK is already "out." That event occurred 29 Mar 2019 when UK parliament failed to approve (legislation.gov terminology) or "ratify" the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU --OR--tender notice to revoke A.50.

The WA is the only "deal," and that deal requires UK to ahhh implement the international peace treaty, Belfast Agreement.

The only legal act keeping the UK "in" is the pleasure or discretion or UNANIMOUS CONSENT of the EU Council to agree to HoC requests for extension of the A.50(3) period.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:07:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The UK is still a full member of the EU, with the ability to revoke its notice to leave, exactly as it has been throughout the A50 period.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:15:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The only legal act keeping the UK "in" is the pleasure or discretion or UNANIMOUS CONSENT of the EU Council to agree to HoC requests for extension of the A.50(3) period.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:46:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Trivially true. Well done. Did you have a point? This does not mean the U.K. is " " out " ".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:50:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, it does.

If they were "in" and you weren't yanking my chain, big boy, HoC wouldn't be requesting "extensions", now would it.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 08:04:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, if it was out the U.K. would no longer be a member. It is still a member, therefore it is not out and we can conclude it is "in".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 09:33:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
They are not extensions to being "out", are they?

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 07:50:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That is the true reason why government "opposition" continues to request A.50(3) extension period(s).

Beginning with Yvette Cooper's block exit ("no deal" as in HoC has not approved the WA) bill.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:50:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ahahahaha it will never end (part 2)!!!

So the WA can't be renegotiated, and any withdrawal must be compatible with it, therefore there can't be a no-deal withdrawal, so either the UK agrees to the current WA or stays in.

Until the EU gives another extension with another set of rules. At this point the question is whether it is the UK or the EU that is more dysfunctional.

by asdf on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 02:58:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You've understood nothing. Please stop.

If the WA can't be renegotiated (and that'll hold unless a new government comes along that wants to negotiate one that's better from the point of view of the EU) then there are three options: approve this WA, leave with no deal, or revoke.

The extensions don't have different rules. They are all extensions to the Article 50 period, operating under exactly the rules written in the treaty as interpreted by the courts.

The EU doesn't want the UK to leave, it doesn't want no deal and is faced with the UK that can't agree what it wants to do. So the EU gives them more rope until they manage to hang or untie themselves.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 03:03:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Have you read A.50(3) lately?
extension of the A.50(3) is a conditional "right" granted to the seceding party by ... EU COUNCIL.

Have you read Wightman lately?
ECJ created one right for seceding party that is not stated in A.50 TEU. The judgment provides no procedure to the seceding party for exercising that right.

Have you read any of the previous EU COUNCIL DECISIONS lately? This is the funniest element of "rules" (or "procedures") declared by EU COUNCIL, with advice from the EC. This EU COUNCIL DECISION is a boilerplate recitation of its agreement with the seceding party to A.50(3) extension period --(i) reasoning, (i) period, and (iii) limitations on execution (a) member status (b) member obligations under A.50 (c) prohibition of WA negotiation (d) WA date of entry.

The European Council also recalled that, under Article 50(3) TEU, the Withdrawal Agreement may enter into force on an earlier date, should the Parties complete their respective ratification procedures before [INSERT EXPIRATION DATE]. Consequently, the withdrawal should take place on the first day of the month following the completion of the ratification procedures or on [INSERT DAY 1 PROCEEDING MONTH], whichever is the earliest.
< wipes tears >
FORMAT CHANGE: Articles 1 and 2 are for the slow learners. Do you think voters will notice?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 03:50:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
As ever, your reply is either trivially true or too incoherent for a bear of little brain like me to comprehend.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 03:52:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This statement, "exactly the rules written in the treaty as interpreted by the courts" is incorrect.

Which is why casual observers of UK "options" continue to interject statements like "that insurance against a 'no-deal' Brexit attempt lapses after the election ... The Benn Act would prevent approval of an exit both by the UK and the EU" into so-called debate of political incoherence in the UK Parliament.

1. "insurance"? 2. "Benn Act" date of effect is hard coded, because stupid MPs not election(s). etc.

This cascade of ill-conceived simile, this torrent of factual errors, continues to impair least-cost decisions by constituents and their representatives in UK Parliament. Thus, apprehension of democratic processes degenerate into ad hominem discourse and ominous threats of homicidal mayhem by frustrated ahhh authoritarian type personalities.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:44:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It what way is it incorrect?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 04:49:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"there are three options: approve this WA, leave with no deal, or revoke"

Maybe you're right, but I have been hearing the "there are three options and  we will get this thing finally settled by date X" now for quite some time. I don't see why there is no "in January we will give you another three months of rope" option on your list.

by asdf on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:38:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Another three months of rope doesn't change the options, just gives more time to choose one. I fully expect there to be further extensions unless the election gives some sort of clear result, which seems only moderately likely.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:02:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In fact, with a result on December 13th and Christmas in the middle, another extension is almost inevitable - there isn't time to conclude the processes by the end of January unless there is a No Deal majority in the House of Commons.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:04:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And don't forget that even if/when the UK does finally exit the A50 process  if it does so with a deal there is a transition period in which they are subject to all sorts of EU law - effectively still in EU without any vote - that can and must be extended since the existing period is ludicrously short.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 03:21:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I mean, this was the easy bit. All the hard work is still ahead, despite all the bollocks about <swelling patriotic music> "Getting Brexit Done".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 03:23:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Colman: I fully expect there to be further extensions

And that can will be kicked down the road for a loooong time.

by Bernard on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 07:35:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's at least a five year job, according to every trade expert. More like ten.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 09:35:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is not entirely clear to me what a clear result would even look like. Are the conservatives all committed to a policy? Labour will put revoke on the ballot of a second referendum, but what else they'll put on it will be a bloody protracted civil war. The LibDems are a joke, the DUP wants all the racism but none of the borders and the Brexit party is too blatantly corrupt to be expected to stick to its nominal principles.
by generic on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 02:02:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sounds indeed very LibDem.

by generic on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 02:18:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I guess Johnson getting his landslide and having a loyal majority that passes his deal and gives him carte blanche on further negotiations? That would seem like a clear result.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 03:14:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Tactical voting website criticised for 'bogus' advice | The Guardian |

Tests of the website suggested there were many examples of advice to vote Lib Dem in seats where there was little hope of victory and a vote for Jo Swinson's party would be likely to lead to a win for the Tories.

A senior Labour party source said: "The only person who benefits from this bogus advice is Boris Johnson and the vested interests he protects.

Naomi Smith, chief executive of Best for Britain, defended the voting guide. "Our tool uses MRP analysis, which is the only model that correctly predicted the shock wins for Labour in 2017, like Canterbury and Kensington," she said.

[...]

Former Deloitte employee Ms Smith joined Best For Britain from the business lobby group London First last year. She became chief executive earlier this summer after her predecessor Eloise Todd attempted to become a Labour MEP.

See latest attempt in tactical voting for Britain and how well it worked out ...

Results 2019 European Parliament election

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by Oui on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 03:09:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's been quite a while for a diary of mine to hit the one hundred mark ..., especially on the topic of UK's exit from the EU. I figured after three and a half years all has been written en discussed ... creative minds here at the European Tribune ... and UK Parliament and Downing Street 10 .... members never disappoint ... just like the bunny and the batteries that never fail ... five weeks of suspense of a different kind just ahead 🎃🍁👻

Road works ... soft shoulder ... wouldn't want anyone to end up on a ditch now ... just like May, the arrogance ... May Labour supporters knocking on doors in de dark days of December surprise all of us once again! 🍀👏

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 05:19:49 PM EST
WASH UP!!!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 06:00:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I resemble that remark.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 06:01:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
OIB: EC's "Office for Infrastructure and Logistics, Brussels"
by Bernard on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 07:43:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Painting the aftermath of a desastreus December 1923 election ... a view of 2020 ... looking in the rear view mirror ... Liberals and Labour bound together in 1924.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 08:04:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
MEDIA is my medium.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Oct 30th, 2019 at 08:44:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Final 'Or-derrrs': UK Commons speaker John Bercow bows out | AP News |

Coming Monday at 2:30pm a new speaker HoC will be elected.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 01:33:40 PM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 05:47:36 PM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 05:51:06 PM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Thu Oct 31st, 2019 at 11:36:03 PM EST
EVERYONE despises Trump. EVERYONE loved Obama BREXIT advice and TRUDEAU endorsement, so no problem. This blurb is more sort of kinda like a campaign finance contribution for CORBYN.

OTOH, Detective Inspector Murray has a theory.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 01:57:29 AM EST
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Trump-Russia dossier author [STEELE] gave evidence to UK intrusion inquiry
what a hoot! blah blah blah ...
The cross-party committee has been examining Russian interference in British politics for more than a year. It took evidence from both the UK's spy agencies and experts on Kremlin intelligence and disinformation tactics such as Steele.
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The report was due to be published on Monday. However on Thursday, Dominic Grieve, the MP who chairs the committee, accused Boris Johnson of sitting on the report - potentially preventing its publication before the general election.
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Two sources told BuzzFeed [!] that British intelligence found no evidence of Russian meddling in either the 2016 referendum vote or the 2017 general election. However, Steele's involvement in the committee's unpublished dossier raises the stakes considerably. [BWAHAHAHAHAH] Before going into private business intelligence, Steele spent 22 years as an MI6 officer, including four years at the British embassy in Moscow, where he watched the collapse of the Soviet Union.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 06:28:34 PM EST
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British misinformation agent Christopher Steele ... how to make money from abuse of truth telling. Democrats in the States still in mourning when their queen didn't deliver a smashing victory. My skepsis about Chris Steele, Orbis Business Intelligence and Fusion GPS was unacceptable for diehard "progressives". From the earliest publication, I called it as I saw it - on Jan. 12, 2017 ...

British Intelligence Delivers Another 'Dodgy Dossier'
Did MI6/CIA Collude with Chris Steele to Entrap Trump?
The Story Behind Chris Steele - Ukraine and Nuland

See also coverage in recent diary -- In the Footsteps of Witness Bill Taylor -- about Trump, Biden and Ukraine.

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 07:01:21 PM EST
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Save the (soon-to-be-announced) date!

It's going to be a really, REALLY GREAT show trial!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 09:32:46 PM EST
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'Alarming' Chinese meddling at UK universities exposed in report
The report says: "There is clear evidence that autocracies are seeking to shape the research agenda or curricula of UK universities, as well as limit the activities of researchers on university campuses. Not enough is being done to protect academic freedom from financial, political and diplomatic pressure."
< wipes tears >

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Nov 5th, 2019 at 03:54:18 PM EST
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Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 09:37:24 AM EST


Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 11:17:10 AM EST
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Hartlepool Tories say Brexit party vow to contest every seat will split leave vote in election
Ray Martin-Wells said the two pro-Brexit parties would "take each other out" and relinquish a once in a generation chance to remove Labour MPs in their north-east heartland. The former councillor said he was "surprised and disappointed that [Farage] will effectively hand seats to Labour who clearly don't want to support Brexit".
TRUMP endorsement is no boon. 'Tis the kiss of death, yo.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 06:38:48 PM EST
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moar alliteration!

Boris Johnson rules out electoral pact with Farage's Brexit Party

"It is a great Brexit. It's a proper Brexit. It delivers exactly what we wanted, what I wanted, what I campaigned in 2016 to come out of the European Union. It takes back control of our money, our borders, our laws. It enables us to do proper all-singing, all-dancing free-trade deals around the world - but as one whole United Kingdom - so it's got everything that you could possibly want and it is ready," he told the BBC. [!]

"Now the difficulty about doing deals with any other party is that any other party, I'm afraid, simply risks - or voting for any other party simply risks - putting Jeremy CORBYN into No 10. And the problem with that is that his plan for Brexit is basically yet more dither and delay."

ahhhh alrighty then. DI Murray may be on to a little something about censoring Farage. Delicate business, that. A total shut out would roust the nutters, yanno. Then, BAM! hello, Corbyn.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Nov 1st, 2019 at 10:08:41 PM EST
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"Personal, not political"

Nice, a thorn in Corbyn's side ... may provide clarity for Labour policy heading into Dec. 12th Election. 😎

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.

by Oui on Wed Nov 6th, 2019 at 09:25:47 PM EST
"step down", "stand down": tbh, I can't grasp the significance of these declarations and lateral movements between party affiliations. All MPs will be redundant when parliament is formally dissolved. So gratuitous gestures to quit or not seek re-election (signifying sacrifice to intramural "solidarity") while remaining a party member (Are dues paid? duties observed? metered?), collecting salary, and accumulate pension proceeds strikes me as disingenuous.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 7th, 2019 at 06:45:09 PM EST
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At 00.01am on Wednesday 6 November, Parliament was dissolved. Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, the dissolution of Parliament must happen 25 days before a general election.

There you go. Out of a job, yes or no?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 7th, 2019 at 06:47:59 PM EST
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