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AG Cox: ’This Is a Dead Parliament'

by Oui Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 11:26:23 AM EST

[Update 1+2 added]

The Brexit-Tories on the attack ... no sign of any humiliation or shame ... the attack dogs are out!!!

The Attorney General: "This parliament is a dead parliament ... the members have no moral right to sit on these green benches."

The Conservatives follow the line of Rees-Mogg.... "this was a Constitutional Coup."

The reactions now are getting degenerational ... unworthy of the House of Commons.

More below the fold ...

What Geoffrey Cox said about parliament being 'a disgrace' with 'no moral right to sit' | The Guardian – Live! |

Here is a full version of what Geoffrey Cox said about parliament being a “disgrace” with “no moral right to sit”. He was responding to a question from Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary who lost the Tory whip after rebelling over Brexit. Cox said:

    This parliament is a dead parliament. It should no longer sit. It has no moral right to sit on these green benches ...

    They don’t like to hear it Mr Speaker. Twice they have been asked to let the electorate decide upon whether they should be allowed to sit in their seats, while they block 17.4 million people’s vote. This parliament is a disgrace.

    Given the opportunity, since I am asked, let me tell them the truth: they could vote no confidence at any time, but they are too cowardly. They could agree to a motion to allow this house to dissolve but they are too cowardly.

    This parliament should have the courage to face the electorate. But it won’t, because so many of them are really all about preventing us leaving the European Union at all.

    But the time is coming, the time is coming Mr Speaker, when even these turkeys won’t be able to prevent Christmas.


“Barrister Bluster”

Angry reaction by MP Sheerman …


PM branded a disgrace after he says best way to honour Jo Cox is to deliver Brexit | The Guardian |

Boris Johnson has been branded a disgrace for dismissing pleas from Labour MPs to stop using inflammatory language in light of the murder of Jo Cox, telling one that it was “humbug” and another that the best way to honour her was to “get Brexit done”.

Johnson caused uproar in the House of Commons after he responded dismissively to Labour MP Paula Sherriff, who made a heartfelt speech calling on him to stop using language such as “surrender”, “traitor” and “betrayal” in relation to Brexit.

Boris Johnson’s rhetoric condemned as MPs tell of death threats | The Papers |

Nicholas Soames, one of the 21 rebels to have lost the Tory whip, said he was “appalled” by the language of the prime minister and said it made the prospect of getting a Brexit deal through the Commons more difficult.

But the grandson of Winston Churchill stopped short of calling on Johnson to resign.

He said: “It sounds rather pathetic, the one won’t stand and call for his resignation after his behaviour. I just don’t think it’s helpful. It is just going to further destabilise an already a very febrile and very fragile situation.”

Soames accused the prime minister of launching a “rant” against the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn. He said: “I have never felt such a poisonous atmosphere. I deeply regret it and I apologise for it.”

He said: “I was absolutely appalled by the whole language and tone of the House yesterday starting off for the attorney general’s, in my view, disrespect to the supreme court, and not a word of contrition, or humility from the prime minister.”

He urged Johnson to calm tempers and try to build a compromise.

A lot of senior political journalists tweeting their shock at the tone of debate in parliament yesterday.

Did I mention lately that I was born and raised in the most illiterate, litigious nation on the planet?

walp, I was. Some call it republic, some call it democracy. Some are simply relieved no mortars are raining down on them.

Meanwhile in the land of constitutional monarchy, heads are exploding, because the PM hasn't apologized.

Politicians hand out apologies like Tic-Tacs. In fact, that's what many white folk do best, after they do their dirt. Hand out apologies. Carry on.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 12:49:54 PM EST
I idly wondered last night while I was reading the threads, Who was the last PM that attracted the most admiration in the UK?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 12:53:02 PM EST
I idly wondered last night --after I pulled that Guardian flow chart--Which Minster of [the Crown in] Parliament has got the "alternative arrangements" agreement for the EU Council to "ratify" in two days in they/them/theirs back pocket?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 12:57:03 PM EST
The riposte to A.G. Cox is that the Leave faction promised a good negotiated deal favorable to the UK as the result of their efforts. They have had over two years with the Conservative Party, the party that called the referendum, in power and attempting to negotiate a Brexit that was acceptable both to the UK and the EU.

It is not the fault of the Remain faction that the Leave faction rode a horse that broke down before the finish line and could not complete the race. The Remain faction demands that there be a second referendum, given the misinformation promulgated by prominent Brexiteers and others during the first referendum. This is a more generous offer than Remain would have received had Leave not shot itself in the foot.

If a second referendum confirms the electorate's desire to leave the EU, the national unity government commits to bringing that about on the best possible terms. Meanwhile, the Leave faction needs to get over it! There are no guarantees that the objectives of political factions will be accomplished. Goals are aspirational.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 05:02:53 PM EST
Yes, but that would require sensible and rational behavior of Leave, so you see the problem.
by rifek on Mon Sep 30th, 2019 at 03:29:38 PM EST
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Cox has about as much business being AG as my cat.  The dead one.
by rifek on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 05:52:04 PM EST
Fury as Boris Johnson says best way to honour Jo Cox is to deliver Brexit

Here a video of Paula Sherriff's emotional speech about her friend Jo Cox, the Labour MP who was fatally shot and stabbed in June 2016 by a far-right extremist in the run up to the Brexit referendum. Cox was a passionate remain campaigner. Johnson's response of "Humbug" to Sherriff's speech is also being condemned.

by Oui on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 08:51:11 PM EST
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Boris Johnson accused of seeking to create 'no man's land' at Irish border
In the letter, the ]Johnson] spelled out his need for the whole of the UK to be able to diverge from EU standards in order to benefit from Brexit.
The UK has said it can agree to a single all-Ireland regulatory zone for trade in agrifood but that there would need to be checks and controls for other goods, with a customs border in place between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

8 Mar 2019

Mr Barnier said the EU has committed to giving the UK an option of exiting the Single Customs Territory unilaterally, "while the other elements of the backstop must be maintained to avoid a hard border"
"We were and remain happy to apply the backstop to Northern Ireland only if they want to go back to that," he said.
11 Mar 2019
Theresa May's full statement on Brexit assurances
11 March Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration laid before Parliament following political agreement.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:57:55 AM EST
UK PM Boris Johnson dares opposition to vote no-confidence
Is British Parliament dead?The mammoth debate in the UK House of Commons on Wednesday lasted for over eight hours. It centered on Brexit and Operation Yellow Hammer with Michael Gove, the cabinet minister in charge of preparations for a "no-deal" Brexit, fielding the majority of the questions and answers in lieu of the PM.

Key Planning Assumptions
3. France will impose EU mandatory controls on UK goods Day 1 No Deal (D1ND) ...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 04:26:27 AM EST

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by Oui on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 08:02:48 AM EST

by Oui on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 08:08:44 AM EST
It has become the Right's SOP throughout the Anglophone world to provoke a negative response from their opponents and then use the response to claim victimhood, further whipping up the paranoia of their base.  They want blood and chaos because that is the fastest road to fascism.
by rifek on Mon Sep 30th, 2019 at 03:35:41 PM EST
A fail-proof solution proposed by last-resort Tory-Brexiteers. PM Johnson speaks not of the Good Friday Agreement but rather on the Good Friday "Process". It's all fluid right now to keep his red-line: the Oct. 31 exit at all cost. Not a no-deal that's been ruled as illegal by vote of the House of Commons. Boris is fine-tuning the last Theresa May's EU WTA and as everyone is moving ever so slightly, will offer the proposal to the Commons for a vote. The escape artist at work.

Brexit: leaked proposals on Irish Border out-of-date, says Johnson | Irish Times - video |

British prime minister Boris Johnson has dismissed criticisms of leaked proposals suggesting customs posts be placed on both sides of the Irish Border, saying this plan is not what his government is going to propose to deal with Brexit.

Speaking to the BBC on Tuesday, Mr Johnson said the EU and Dublin were not talking about the UK government's final plan but rather "some stuff" that was proposed previously.

He said Britain was planning to table a "very good offer" soon and that this would not involve customs posts.


Mr Johnson says the most important thing is to "bust out" of these backstop arrangements but in a way that protects the Belfast Agreement.

He declined to discuss what would be in the final British proposals, but said he wanted to exploit "the freedoms that are so vital for Brexit".


The Government and the European Union on Monday night rubbished the leaked British proposals on establishing customs posts on both sides of the Border after Brexit.

Senior sources in Dublin and Brussels said the proposals, contained in papers tabled in talks with EU negotiators and reported by RTÉ, showed there was little if any chance of a breakthrough in the Brexit talks.

NI secretary denies there are UK plans for customs centres | RTÉ |
Boris Johnson pledges 'good offer' on border after Dublin rejects plans

Latest from EU in Brussels ...

Downing Street banks on secretive 'tunnel' negotiations to hammer out agreement

Mr Barnier revealed no tweaks to the hated withdrawal agreement have reached the negotiating table. He also warned MEPs the Remainer plot to outlaw a no-deal Brexit is not water tight and could still see Britain quit the bloc without an agreement.

by Oui on Tue Oct 1st, 2019 at 12:27:22 PM EST
Paisley's 'Irish cows' quip may be beginnings of a solution to backstop issue, PM suggests | Belfast Telegraph - Sept. 6, 2019 |

Rev Paisley's reference to cows here being Irish were first revealed by Jonathan Powell, a former adviser to Tony Blair during the peace talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement.

He wrote: "The border between Ireland and the UK just came to mean much less once we were both in the EU.

"This was particularly brought home to me when Ian Paisley, the fire-breathing DUP leader, came to see Tony Blair in the midst of the 2005 Foot and Mouth crisis in the UK and in an attempt to take advantage of the looser restrictions on movement of cattle in the south than in the north said, 'Our people may be British but our cows are Irish'."

Mr Johnson's reference to Rev Paisley - later Lord Bannside - will be seen as an attempt to ameliorate DUP concerns, as the proposal appears to cross the DUP's red line of having a border in the Irish Sea.

I've seen how rash words can escalate into conflict. I fear it may happen again | The Guardian Opinion - Jonathan Powell |
How General Sir Richard Dannatt's attack on the Iraq deployment echoed around the world | The Guardian Opinion - Jonathan Powell | (2011)

by Oui on Wed Oct 2nd, 2019 at 08:53:28 PM EST
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by Oui on Tue Oct 1st, 2019 at 08:06:41 PM EST
Dubbed a kamikaze approach by Boris ...

Johnson's 'final warning' to the EU: accept my Brexit deal or it's no deal | The Guardian |

A senior No 10 official said: "The government is either going to be negotiating a new deal or working on no deal - nobody will work on delay. We will keep fighting to respect the biggest democratic vote in British history. The EU is obliged by EU law only to negotiate with member state governments, they cannot negotiate with parliament, and this government will not negotiate delay."

by Oui on Tue Oct 1st, 2019 at 10:02:57 PM EST
Merkel points to Brexit role as WTO forecasts global economic slowdown | DW |

Europe is not without blame for the global economic slowdown, with Brexit adding to uncertainty worldwide, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said. She had met with leaders of international financial institutions in Berlin ...

A slowing global economy

The WTO forecast on Tuesday that global trade is expected to slow to its slowest pace since the Great Recession which began in 2008, largely because of the ongoing trade dispute between the US under President Donald Trump, and China.

by Oui on Wed Oct 2nd, 2019 at 08:34:14 AM EST
Reports on latest UK Brexit proposals 'concerning', Coveney says | The Irish Times |

PM strikes secret deal with DUP as he draws up 'final Brexit offer' | The Guardian |

Boris Johnson has struck a secret deal with the Democratic Unionist party involving radical proposals for a Belfast-Dublin "bilateral lock" on post-Brexit arrangements on the island of Ireland.

Details have emerged of the prime minister's final Brexit offer that he will lay out on Wednesday, with Northern Ireland staying under EU single market regulations for agri-food and manufactured goods until at least 2025, at which point its assembly in Stormont will decide whether to continue alignment with EU or UK standards.

The proposal that Ireland would have "two borders for four years" once the transition period ends after 2020 is likely to receive a frosty welcome in EU capitals. The broadcaster RTÉ quoted an Irish government source saying Johnson's deal, as reported on Tuesday evening, would not be acceptable to Dublin.

However, DUP sources have confirmed that the party is largely "content" with the proposals, which are believed to still include a lot of elements of the backstop - a major concession for the party.

Arlene Foster issues warning to Varadkar: He will be to blame if Boris can't get deal
Arlene Foster says DUP would consider backing Brexit deal if Boris Johnson secures time-limit to backstop | The Independent |  [video]

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by Oui on Wed Oct 2nd, 2019 at 08:55:57 AM EST
Johnson's Brexit plan: Key questions about the backstop replacement blueprint | Belfast Telegraph |

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is setting out his Brexit plan, which he describes as a "fair and reasonable compromise" that all sides can agree on. But reaching an agreement will be far from straightforward - and may yet prove impossible.

- What are the issues which need to be resolved?

The problem remains the Northern Ireland backstop - the safety net intended to guarantee there is no return of a hard border on the island of Ireland.

Mr Johnson has insisted the measure has to be scrapped as being in a customs union would prevent the UK striking trade deals and his blueprint sets out in a legal text how he intends to achieve this.

- What is Mr Johnson's alternative?

According to a briefing received by the Daily Telegraph, the UK would remain closely tied to the EU's rules during a transition period ending in 2021 and then enter a free-trade agreement with the bloc.

After that, in a plan that has been dubbed "two borders for four years" Northern Ireland would be kept in a special status until 2025, leaving the EU customs union alongside the rest of the UK, but remaining aligned on all single market rules for agriculture and industrial goods.

Why Johnson's plan for two borders is unlikely to fly | Irish Times |

by Oui on Wed Oct 2nd, 2019 at 11:06:55 AM EST
Q: What are the issues which need to be resolved?
A: Bloody all of them.

Q: What is Mr Johnson's alternative?
A: Herp derp.

by rifek on Sun Oct 6th, 2019 at 07:58:08 PM EST
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by Oui on Fri Oct 4th, 2019 at 02:06:13 PM EST
by Oui on Fri Oct 4th, 2019 at 08:03:08 PM EST
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Regardless of Johnson actually requesting an extension (of whatever duration), is there any good reason why the EU should grant one? The UK doesn't seem to be moving toward any acceptable solution, or even being able to reach a consensus as to its own position. I admire the EU's capacity to patiently negotiate, but there doesn't seem to be much point in continuing.
As with chronically self destructive people, sometimes you just have to let them find the bottom before they find their way back.
by Andhakari on Sat Oct 5th, 2019 at 09:52:16 AM EST
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Because No Deal is shitty for 60M EU citizens and pretty bad for the ones in the other 27 states too.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sat Oct 5th, 2019 at 01:06:56 PM EST
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No disagreement, but separation isn't necessarily permanent. The EU hasn't burnt any bridges.
As senseless as Brexit is, it may be something that has to happen before the UK can see that it goofed. If Brexit doesn't happen I can't see how the issue will ever be resolved except through the passage of much time.
by Andhakari on Sat Oct 5th, 2019 at 01:26:13 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Oct 5th, 2019 at 08:41:04 PM EST
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The UK doesn't meet any of the usual acquisition rules, and if it reapplied it would lose all of its opt-outs.

It would also need a new referendum with a Rejoin option - which IMO would be unlikely to happen for at least five years. Ten years is a more realistic minimum - by which time Scotland will have rejoined already, Ireland will either have united or the North will be a bombed-out dystopian wasteland, and Wales won't be doing so well either.

So - not quite the same country, and certainly not an attractive prospect unless it gets its shit together politically and socially.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Oct 5th, 2019 at 09:04:30 PM EST
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Who in hell wants to do business with these people?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Oct 6th, 2019 at 12:47:08 AM EST
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Not permanent? Who wants to live in Boris Country for the next 20-30 or 50 years?

    "Many Remainers cling to the hope that it will all prove to be disastrous, the country will return to its senses, and seek to rejoin the EU sooner rather than later. However, one dimension of this scenario has received surprisingly little attention: the terms of membership the UK currently has are very unlikely to be on offer in future."
    [Source: LSE - Iain Begg]
by Oui on Sun Oct 6th, 2019 at 09:21:25 AM EST
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I have to wonder if Britain's special terms of membership have fed into its sense of entitlement, keeping it apart from the continent as much as the Channel.
by Andhakari on Sun Oct 6th, 2019 at 12:38:06 PM EST
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Translation: I've pooped the bed, and I want everyone to have to roll around in it.
by rifek on Sun Oct 6th, 2019 at 08:02:49 PM EST
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by Oui on Fri Oct 4th, 2019 at 02:09:44 PM EST

'We cannot change what we are': Michel Barnier stares down Tory threats | The Guardian |

At a meeting on Friday evening the prime minister's closest adviser, Dominic Cummings, was demanding that the EU stop being so stubborn and show flexibility. His message was that if Brussels did not budge in Brexit talks, Boris Johnson would not fold but would simply take the UK out without a deal.

"Next week we are going to know how things turn out," Cummings said. "If the EU says no then we are not going to do what the last lot did [he meant Theresa May] and change our negotiating position. If we don't get anything next week we are gone."

With just weeks to go before the UK is due to leave the EU on 31 October, there seems to be total deadlock - and the blame game has already begun.

Barnier was clear on Saturday that a no-deal outcome would be Johnson's responsibility, while the prime minister and Cummings have their strategy planned well in advance - to lay responsibility for that outcome and any turbulence it could cause firmly at the door of the EU.

Last week Johnson's government outlined its proposals for a Brexit deal which rests on Northern Ireland leaving the EU customs union on 31 October, but remaining in the single market for goods, and the Northern Ireland assembly being given the right to veto the arrangements every four years.

Barnier says the proposals are not acceptable in anything like their current form. "If they do not change I do not believe, on the basis of the mandate I have been given by the EU27, that we can advance."

The differences over customs and borders went to the very heart of what the EU was. "We are a single market. That's a complete ecosystem, with common rights, common norms, common standards, common rules, a common legal system. It requires checks at its borders."

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by Oui on Sat Oct 5th, 2019 at 08:07:50 PM EST
"ecosystem"? I see this person's problem. Do you?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Oct 5th, 2019 at 08:44:26 PM EST
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Dominic Cummings .... message was that if Brussels did not budge in Brexit talks, Boris Johnson would not fold but would simply take the UK out without a deal.

IOW, if the EU doesn't do what the UK wants they will hold their breathe until they turn blue and it will be the EU's fault!

Jesus Christ, Barnier, et. al., are dealing with three year olds.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Sun Oct 6th, 2019 at 04:10:07 PM EST
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Three?  As mature as that?
by rifek on Sun Oct 6th, 2019 at 08:04:13 PM EST
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Revealed: the EU's point-by-point rejection of Johnson's Brexit plan | The Guardian |

The European Union's full devastating point-by-point rejection of Boris Johnson's Brexit proposals for the Irish border has been revealed in documents obtained by the Guardian.

Leaked documents lay bare the scale of the multiple faults highlighted to David Frost, the prime minister's chief negotiator, during the recent talks.

The disclosure follows the prime minister's claim on Monday that he had not yet heard the EU's thoughts on the legal text tabled by Downing Street, under which a customs border would be reimposed on the island of Ireland.


EU sources scoffed at claims coming out of Downing Street that a "counter-offer" could be expected from Brussels in the coming days. "It is the UK that wants to replace the backstop - and that is our solution," said one senior EU diplomat.

On Monday, the Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, met with the Dutch foreign minister, Stef Blok, who tweeted: "Frank & honest discussion today with Steve Barclay. As good neighbours do.

"Important questions still remain on UK Brexit proposals and more realism and clarity necessary this week. Full support for Michel Barnier."

An EU commission spokeswoman said the EU27 remained of the opinion that the UK had failed to offer an alternative to the Irish backstop, which would avoid a hard border by keeping Northern Ireland in the single market and the EU's customs territory.

And, in an interview with Le Monde, chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier warned that if London "does not come back with new proposals on the two serious problems we have indicated to them, I cannot see how we can move forward".

No 10 continues to deflect blame for Brexit impasse on to EU  
PM calls on EU to 'thrash out' Brexit objections | BBC News - 3 hrs ago |

by Oui on Mon Oct 7th, 2019 at 08:08:50 PM EST
How many times have I heard that?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Oct 7th, 2019 at 08:14:56 PM EST
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