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Joy for A Day ... Boris Humiliated

by Oui Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 06:15:20 AM EST

'Johnson loses control': how the papers covered the historic Commons defeat | The Guardian |

Further afield, Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad makes links Johnson's struggles to those of his predecessor, Theresa May. Its intro says: "A different premier, a different style, a different rhetoric, but the same outcome ."

Danish tabloid BT says Johnson is "spluttering with rage" on a day of drama and singles out the ejection from the party of Sir Nicholas Soames, aka grandson of "legend" Winston Churchill.

Other papers focus on the struggle between PM and Parliament. Germany's Süddeutsche Zeitung says simply in its headline: "Parliament opposes Johnson." Brazil's G1 news portal has "Boris against parliament", and says, perhaps optimistically, that Parliament is set for a "decisive showdown" on Wednesday.

In the US, a comment piece in the Washington Post takes a step back to reflect on Johnson's strategy. "Boris's populist playbook implodes (£)" is the headline and says that "after all the huffing and puffing, the public gets the idea the populist cult leader is an incompetent charlatan".

I had wanted to use the term "Trump's Playbook" as basic failure of the Tory Prime Ministers and successive failres: David Cameron, Theresa May and today the blunt and blustering bully Boris. After the escapades of Farage, Bannon and the frauduleus Facebook and Cambridge Analytica affair, the British House of Commons has preserved Democracy for this one day ... unfortunately the war still needs to be won! Outcome is uncertain, many heroes let their voice be known last night. Bravo to political courage and putting the country and its people first. I listened and watched a great part of the debate ... what a blistering last stand by Jacob Rees-Mogg ... his words were spun in a general who had lost his troops ... fighting a lost cause. Surely a moment to relish ... what a complete a$$ and loser.

VP Pence, Trump and USA support PM Johnson to defeat the EU technocrats in Brussels - Irish Times

Pound falls to a low point

Be careful as the scorpion hides in the shadows or under a rock. It's sting is fatal.

Opistophthalmus holmi: A small tail and big arms.

It didn't fly Boris, neither here in the Tory Party nor in Brussels.

Tomorrow's headlines ...

Boris Johnson secretly agreed to suspend parliament two weeks before denying it would happen, Downing St documents reveal | The Independent - 3 hrs ago |

Boris Johnson secretly agreed to suspend parliament in mid-August, explosive court documents reveal - nearly two weeks before denying the plan existed.

An email was sent to the prime minister and Dominic Cummings, his chief aide, entitled "Ending The Session", which says "we should prorogue" from 9 September.

It was revealed in Edinburgh's Court of Session, which is hearing a legal challenge to stop parliament being shut down for five weeks, preventing MPs making any further moves on the Brexit crisis.

Three days before the shock prorogation plan was announced last week, Downing Street strongly denied any such intention to send MPs home.

But the documents disclosed to the court include a hand-written note from Mr Johnson, dated 16 August, arguing "the whole September sessions is a rigmarole", dismissing its importance.

The prime minister's words read: "I don't see anything shocking about this decision" to prorogue. The word "yes" is also written on the document.

There was no immediate comment from Downing Street about the documents, which again shine the spotlight on the prime minister's honesty.

Played an important part in the debate last night ... an unrelentless attack on the Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg! What did you know and when did you know it. No answer was forthcoming ...

[Posted earlier last night on a different thread - Oui]

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 06:36:53 AM EST

Court of Session in Edinburgh rejects attempt to prevent PM's prorogation of Commons | The Guardian |

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 11:57:05 AM EST
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by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 11:57:35 AM EST
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Poor preparation, knows no facts ... bullying and badgering the opposition. SHAME!

Calling opposition leader a "chlorinated chicken"
The new bill at hand as a "surrender bill" to the EU
Himself given NO answers on poverty level after a no-deal Brexit

I turned off the channel watching UK democracy at work ... a miscalculation.

Boris continued to profess he has friends in Berlin, Paris and Washington ... accuses Corbyn his friends are in the Kremlin, Tehran and Caracas. What a sordid kind of "leader" has invaded Downing Street 10.

An introduction of the new PM ...

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 11:39:46 AM EST
The same sort of "leader" that has invaded Pennsylvania Avenue: one who has only led a life of shams and scams.
by rifek on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 12:58:01 PM EST
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Johnson appears to insult Corbyn during PMQs | The Guardian |

The theme of the exchanges between the two had centred around the Labour leader asking Johnson to publish details of the government's no-deal planning documents, while the prime minister repeatedly challenged Corbyn to support his plan for a 15 October election.

As Corbyn was saying of the new prime minister: "He's desperate, absolutely desperate to avoid scrutiny", Johnson appeared to make the insult.

    Boris Johnson has attacked the British opposition leader as a "big girl's blouse" for refusing to back his plans for an election. Johnson gave a typically shambolic performance during his first Prime Minister's Questions session in the British Parliament, during which he dismissed Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn's economic policies as "shit."
    [Source: The Daily Beast]

At another point, making a reference to trade deals with the US, Johnson insulted Corbyn by saying: "There's only one chlorinated chicken that I can see in this house, and he's on that bench."

For his part, Corbyn refrained from insults, instead concentrating on asking why the prime minister was unwilling to publish the Operation Yellowhammer no-deal assessment documents, and why the DWP was saying it wasn't in the public interest to disclose their research into how a no-deal Brexit would affect poverty levels.

PMQs: Corbyn lambasts Johnson's Brexit plan after Commons defeat  

Isn't putting the bar very high, but from all accounts the Labour leader Corbyn is by far the better statesman and politician between the two of them!

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by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 06:07:04 PM EST
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tbh Boris is being tested and found desperately short of what is needed. His petulance is doing him no favours and, at last, he is being faced with responsibilities he cannot run from. And he doesn't like the burden at all.

Also, his well known lying, cheating and slipperiness means that he isn't trusted by anybody in Westminster or Brussels. Nobody believes a word he says, which means that he faces a daunting task because he can make no promise to anybody that can possibly be recieved in good faith. It makes his job impossible.

Dominic Cummings is also learning the limits of bullying and bullshit. He is apprently not taking these lessons well.

All in all, the whole populist nationalism on which Boris rode to power is deflating under pressure. Boris awakes to new humiliation every day, I actually wonder how long he's going to put up with it cos he's obviously responding to it very badly.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 08:59:15 PM EST
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Problem : does the low-information voter know the emperor has no clothes?

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:28:24 AM EST
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Seldom I've been witness to such a lazy dumbass student of debate inside Parliament ... no argument, all insult. An ordinary charlatan ...

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 05:40:56 PM EST
Tried to delete this last part in the message ... I failed :-(
by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 05:42:52 PM EST
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Boris' Turkish roots - Three Card Monte or "Üç Kağıtçı"

Anti-intellectualism or Populism alla turca

Just trying to understand Boris and his laziness placing it in context of his goals in life.

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by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 06:37:12 PM EST
MPs back Brexit Delay Bill by 327 - 299

First speaker thanks the bravery and courage of many Tory MPs who stood by their conviction for national interest.

MPs pass third reading of Benn bill by majority of 28

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 06:55:49 PM EST
From my earlier diary ...

Plan B: A Revolt In House of Commons

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 06:58:52 PM EST
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Was it this challenging to stop BRITISH slave trade with Africans?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:05:20 PM EST

Michel Barnier cancels leadership lecture

    Michel Barnier cancelled a planned engagement in Belfast on Monday telling organisers at Queen's University that his speech could be "used by some to undermine the chances of an orderly Brexit".

    It is understood he agreed to deliver the Bill Clinton Leadership Lecture some time ago but decided the timing was no longer appropriate when "the UK is engaged in an intense political debate" about its future.

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:15:57 PM EST
by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:16:51 PM EST
Tory peers launch bid to block no-deal bill with filibuster in House of Lords

Conservative peers launch last-ditch effort to block no-deal bill | The Independent |

Tories have tabled more than 100 amendments in the House of Lords designed to eat up the time available to get Hilary Benn's bill onto the statute book before parliament is suspended next week.

One Upper House insider described the Tory holdouts - who include former party leader Michael Howard and former cabinet ministers Peter Lilley and Michael Forsyth - as being "like the Japanese soldiers from the Second World War who stayed in the jungle and kept fighting after the war was over".

by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:36:10 PM EST
Late at night Westminster lights burning ...

Lords agree to push through bill preventing no-deal by Friday 5pm

No delay by filibuster of Tory Peers.

by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 03:16:35 AM EST
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by Oui on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:59:02 PM EST
To which Johnson allegedly said "I know these people. They're my friends. But actions have consequences."

Words cannot encompass the Everest-dwarfing scale of Johnson's political idiocy. Not only has he destroyed any possibility of operating with a workable minority, but when the GE happens he will be risking losses in 20-odd seats where the former incumbents can split the vote ( at best) and be reelected in opposition to him (at worst).

And even if they were his friends once, they certainly won't be now.

These aren't the finely calibrated actions of an adult. They're petulant toy-throwing by a political toddler.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 11:12:32 PM EST
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With Dominic Cummings at his side, the prime minister crashes through the constitution ...

Boudicca Boris Johnson in his no-deal Brexit chariot - cartoon

In America's baseball terms: 3 strikes you're OUT!



by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 05:43:23 AM EST
by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 06:13:27 AM EST
'PM cornered': how the papers covered Johnson's horror day in Commons | The Guardian |

The FT has a similar report, though it has totted up the embarrassments for the PM differently: "Johnson backed into corner as Commons delivers double blow" is its main headline, over two other points: "Rebels join opposition to pass anti-no-deal bill"; and "Prime minister's election call rebuffed", which the paper calls "a humbling double defeat".

@FT front page "Johnson backed into corner as Commons delivers double blow"

by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 06:14:34 AM EST
Sir Nicholas Soames delivered an emotional, and at times very funny, speech in the House of Commons on Wednesday. He seemed close to tears as he was talking about how his long career in parliament has ended, with the removal of the whip last night. He said: `I'm truly very sad that it should end in this way and it is my most fervent hope that this house will rediscover the spirit of compromise, humility and understanding that will enable us finally to push ahead with the vital work in the interests of the whole country that has inevitably had to be so sadly neglected whilst we have devoted so much time to wrestling with Brexit'

From The Guardian article ...

Cornered Boris Johnson suffers triple Commons defeat  

Johnson's motion calling for a general election was held 24 hours after he failed to prevent backbench MPs led by former Conservative minister Oliver Letwin seizing control of the parliamentary timetable to debate the anti no-deal Brexit bill.

The prime minister campaigned for the Conservative party leadership with the slogan, "deliver Brexit by 31 October, unite the party, defeat Jeremy Corbyn -≠ and energise our country!"

But just weeks after taking power, he is facing a growing backlash from colleagues on Wednesday, after 21 MPs, including former chancellor Philip Hammond and Winston Churchill's grandson Nicholas Soames, were expelled from their party.


After opening the debate on his call for a general election, Johnson faced a withering response from Kenneth Clarke, who the previous day had been stripped of the Conservative whip after 49 years as a Tory MP.

"I do think the prime minister, with the greatest respect, has a tremendous skill in keeping a straight face whilst he's being so disingenuous," Clarke told a scowling Johnson.

The PM, Clarke said, was "desperate" for an election before 31 October "on the basis that he's been thwarted in getting an amazing, beneficial deal for this country".

It was nonsense for Johnson to say that backers of the bill hoped to overturn Brexit, Clarke said: "A very large percentage of those who've been defeating him over the last two days are prepared to vote for Brexit - they've voted for Brexit more often than he has."

by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 06:34:22 AM EST

'Fighting for survival': European papers maul Johnson after defeat

European media and politicians savaged Boris Johnson after his Commons defeat to opponents of a no-deal Brexit, saying the prime minister's tactics had backfired disastrously, his bluster was no longer working, and - after barely six weeks in office - he was already fighting for survival.

The former Italian prime minister, Matteo Renzi, denounced Johnson as a populist and compared him to Matteo Salvini, the bombastic far-right leader whose bid last month to become prime minister last month backfired spectacularly, instead pushing his anti-immigrant League party out of power.

"The UK and Italy have shown in the past few hours that our institutions are a serious thing, stronger than both Boris Johnson and Salvini," Renzi, whose Socialist party has now returned to government in Rome, tweeted in English.

Libération turned to the history books, observing that the last British prime minister to have lost the first vote he had faced in parliament was the Earl of Rosebery, in 1894. "And he did not leave a very lasting impression," the paper noted, ominously. "He survived barely a year in Downing Street."

Dominic Cummings to be sacrificed on the Tory Brexit altar? Wrong playbook, populist Salvini and Italy ...

Related reading ...

Summer Recess Debate - Latter Days of Boris  by Oui on Aug. 8, 2019

by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 07:28:40 AM EST
Poll: Scottish Tories facing 'wipe-out' at general election | The Scotsman |

The Conservatives face a near wipe-out in Scotland at the next Westminster election, a new poll has suggested.

Scots Tories, still reeling from the shock resignation of party leader Ruth Davidson last week, could be reduced from 13 MPs to just three, a survey for The Times found.

None of the 13 Scottish Tory MPs were among the 21 Conservative rebels who voted against the Government and have been told they will lose the party whip and be barred from standing for the party at the next election.

Nicola Sturgeon's SNP would jump from 35 seats to 51, the polling shows, almost as high as their high-water mark of 2015, when the party secured 56 of the 59 seats in Scotland.

Related reading ...

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by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 08:51:11 AM EST
Trying to negotiate a deal to get a competitive edge on EU27 nations by undercutting social and environmental regulations. SHAME The powerful cheating that will cost the People and Planet dearly. The Conservative gang from the White Man's Antlantic alliance do never learn the lessons from history. The Tory favorite boogeyman - Jeremy Corbyn - is sufficient to call him by name and renage on providing sound arguments or facts in  debate. A worthless bunch - kick them out now!

Brexit talks in a state of paralysis - EU Brussels

    The EU's chief negotiator told envoys from member states that Britain was determined to diverge from EU standards as part of a future trade deal, adding further tension between Mr Johnson's government and the bloc.

    According to a leaked diplomatic note seen by the Financial Times, Mr Barnier said: "we are currently in a state of paralysis".

    The warning came on the same day that David Frost, the UK's chief negotiator, met for more than six hours with his EU counterpart. EU officials said Mr Frost provided no suggestions for how the UK could replace the Irish backstop from the Brexit divorce deal while maintaining an open border in Ireland ...

    Along with demands on the backstop, Mr Frost has also called for a trade agreement that would allow the UK to break free of EU regulations in areas such as social and environmental standards.

EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier warns that 'Brexit talks are stuck in 'paralysis' after Britain failed to provide any proposals to break Irish border backstop deadlock' | Daily Mail |

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by Oui on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:13:47 AM EST
Another example of why the frothing in Parliament is somewhat beside the point?

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 05:40:48 PM EST
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trending #pleaseleavemytown

Johnson's Yorkshire walkabout goes awry | The Guardian |

The political walkabout is a staple in the diet of the campaigning politician. And, despite dodging the odd egg or milkshake being considered an occupational hazard, it's a task Boris Johnson has relished. He may wish he had not bothered on Thursday.

Because, where Gordon Brown had his "bigoted woman" and Ed Miliband had his bacon sandwich, the prime minister has a "please leave my town".

Johnson was approached by a member of the public while in Morely in Leeds. The man smiled and greeted the prime minister with a handshake, before politely asking him to leave his town. "I will, very soon," replied Johnson, as the man clapped him on his back and walked away.

by Oui on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 01:30:49 AM EST
Miriam Lord: How Pence shat on the new carpet in Ireland's spare room | The Irish Times |

US vice-president Mike Pence met President Michael D Higgins and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar during an official visit. His Irish hosts, up to their oxters for the last three years in Brexit worry, hoped to impress upon him Ireland's fears about the consequences of a no-deal Brexit for the country.

He could, maybe, stick in a supportive word for us in his talks with Boris Johnson in London, his next port of call.

    Mike dotes on Nancy - his Irish mother, as he calls her. So he should have known any Irish mammy will tell that you if you can't say anything good, say nothing at all.

Pence, after all, is Irish American and wastes no opportunity to go misty-eyed about his love for the "Old Country" as he lards on his Mother Machree shtick on both sides of the Atlantic. He couldn't praise Ireland enough on Tuesday - "deeply humbled" and "honoured" to be going to the hometown of his mother's grandmother and so on.

But, after he said all these nice things about the "Emerald Isle" and how much his boss Donald Trump - he sent his best wishes, by the way - appreciates us and all we do to help American security in Shannon, he delivered a very strong endorsement of Boris Johnson and Brexit.


The next prime minister the couple will meet on their trip will be the serial philanderer Boris Johnson. He's pretty experienced on the extramarital and premarital sex front, which they abhor.

On Tuesday, to be on the safe side, nobody was left alone with the US vice-president in case it might upset him.

"We have both been blessed with Irish mothers," Pence told the Taoiseach when they met the press. He didn't say anything about Indian fathers (in Leo's case) but there you go.

"I carry Ireland with me wherever I go," said Pence, speaking of an old Ireland, one his ancestors left generations ago.

Still, his visit was a great example of diversity in action. President Trump, who recently visited, is very hands-on with women and likes to grab them in all sorts of places. And his second in command is the opposite. He won't stay on his own with a woman who isn't his wife.

God bless America.

More ...

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by Oui on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 07:00:27 PM EST
I've warned you all.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:48:47 PM EST
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Be careful what you say about our future president
by asdf on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 10:39:51 PM EST
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Democrats to PROBE Pence Stay at Trump Ireland Resort
cracker town all.the.way.down

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:57:03 PM EST
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Maybe I am confused as a result of living in a land where we are all tired of winning, but it sure seems to me that the media coverage of Boris Johnson's "losses" is off the mark.

If his goal is to get the UK out of the EU on 31 October, all he needs is delay. With parliament unable to agree on what they want, all he has to do is squeeze their timeline.

Looks to me like that is exactly what he is succeeding in doing. For example, instead of working overtime to come up with a compromise solution, parliament has just wasted a week passing a useless "no no-deal Brexit" law. And Corbyn saying there will be no election until after October means BoJo is safe until then, and that the remoaners can't actually promise to Macron that there will be some sort of democratic action taken if the EU agrees to an extension.

Boris is winning.

by asdf on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 03:46:08 AM EST
If Boris refuses to follow the law, Boris is acting unconstitutionally and unlawfully by definition - which puts him outside of the requirement for the A50 process to operate according to a country's constitution.

Parliament can legitimately send an extension request via some third party - possibly the Speaker, or the leader of the opposition.

While Parliament is prorogued discussions can continue behind the scenes, situations can be gamed, and there will be a united response when Parliament reconvenes.

The best Boris can do is delay the inevitable.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 08:58:22 AM EST
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And the EU27 would be tasked with deciding what is lawful or unlawful in the UK? With reference to an unwritten constitution? Seriously?
by Bernard on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 10:07:18 AM EST
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Didn't they implicitly agree to this when they let them in in the first place?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 11:19:41 AM EST
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No, the EU27 don't get to make judicial determinations, but the EJC could be asked to decide if a case is taken that far by a UK litigant. After all A.50 operates in the context of the member state in question acting in accordance with its own constitution. That would be the final humiliation for the Brexiteers, of course. The hated ECJ telling them what's what!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 03:17:17 PM EST
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No. The EU did not implicitly agree to legislate for member-states or adjudicate disputes of national statutes. Signatories of the TEU agree to conform their statutes with EU directives, "implicitly" pursuant to a uniform code among member states and observance of international treaties by member states. See "cherry picking".

First of all, EU directives do not supercede national constitutions and legislation. AFAIK, TEU does not vest unilateral and supranational police powers in EU gov. EU gov doesn't even possess tax authority! Memeber-states' legislatures voluntarily submit GDP proportional capital to each session. Reduction of or withholding budget subsidies and appointments to EU agencies by the EC may be "derogatory", but neither is a police action.

Second, national and EU jurisdictions are severable. The superior court of a member-state must invite ECJ review of disputed EU code in its jurisdiction before any member legislature even decides whether or not to conform the offending act(s) to ECJ opinion and orders. See Hungary, Poland, Romania [!].

Third, US-UK do not do international law. m'k.
Fourth, the ECJ ruled Dec 2018 on lawful (Vienna) petition for delay of TEU A50 conclusion. Remember?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 08:49:50 PM EST
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With reference to a law that is probably within the purview of the ECJ?

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 02:09:39 PM EST
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It isn't going to be hard for the EU to ignore Johnson if he's held in contempt of Parliament and/or ends up in jail.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 05:02:52 PM EST
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I think it will be.

BoJo "in jail" is a UK domestic, criminal charge. Are you expecting Johnson to appeal a conviction to the ECHR before or after 31 Oct in order to further delay UK exit from the TEU?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 08:55:02 PM EST
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I'm expecting Johnson to resign before he goes to jail and the UK to elect a caretaker who will deliver the extension letter almost immediately.

If Johnson doesn't resign Parliament has a number of other options, including emergency legislation to work around the limitations of the Fixed Term Act.

Either way - unless Johnson goes full Pinochet and puts the army on the streets, this is already over.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 09:15:59 PM EST
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That would deter other EU members secession, one hopes, perhaps.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 09:55:08 PM EST
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All he has to do is prevaricate and delay. He's got a specific timeline to follow, but it won't become clear that he has failed to deliver the letter until at least a day after his deadline (19 October), then it requires some sort of action by parliament--not likely to be instantaneous--and then possibly a lawsuit. If there were months or weeks of time to do it, that would be one thing.

What are the steps to imprison a sitting prime minister? Presumably a remoaner would apply to some (which?) court for an injunction on 21 October (the 20th a Sunday), then a judge would issue a summons on the 22nd? There would have to be some kind of a hearing, maybe a couple of days (23,24)? An appeal (25, 26)? Maybe on Monday 28 October BoJo is finally confronted with actually complying or going to jail. He goes to jail (29th), parliament agrees (?) Corbyn (!) to deliver the text to the EU (30), he shows up in Brussels on the 31st. EU waves magic wand and everything's good until January.

Very tight timeline.

by asdf on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 10:39:06 PM EST
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Maybe Corbyn will appeal BoJo's conviction to ECHR in order to delay BREXIT.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 09:00:13 PM EST
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On the other side of the Atlantic, Boris' Uncle Sam ... ehhh Trump and his EPA power grab.

US probes BMW, Volkswagen over California emissions deal | DW |
DOJ launches antitrust probe over California emissions deal with automakers | CNBC |

by Oui on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 05:29:20 AM EST

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