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Macron Islam Policy Facing Mutiny

by Oui Tue Apr 27th, 2021 at 07:30:56 PM EST

Anger as ex-generals warn of 'civil war' in France | BBC News |

Controversy is growing in France over an open letter signed by former and serving members of the military, warning of the threat of civil war.

Around 1,000 servicemen and women, including some 20 retired generals, put their names to the letter.

"The hour is grave, France is in peril," they wrote last week.

Ministers have strongly condemned the message, which was published by a right-wing magazine on the 60th anniversary of a failed coup d'état.

What does the letter say?

The letter warns French President Emmanuel Macron, his government and MPs of "several deadly dangers" threatening France, including "Islamism and the hordes of the banlieue" - the impoverished immigrant suburbs that surround French cities.

Rightwing publication with support from Marine LePen and Islamophobes

La gauche s'affole après la publication de la tribune des généraux et la réponse de Marine Le Pen

'I understood you!': May 1958, the return of De Gaulle and the fall of France's Fourth Republic | The Conversation |

April 1961 Generals' Putsch of Algiers (Putsch des généraux), was a failed military action to press French President Charles de Gaulle to not abandon French Algeria, along with French people and pro-French Arabs living there. The putsch in French Algeria was conducted by four retired generals, led by Maurice Challe, the commander of the French Armed Forces in Algeria in 1958-60 and the author of the successful Challe Plan. The plan which in effect helped to defeat militant rebels across Algeria.

French Colons Riot in Algeria; Challe Declares State of Siege; De Gaulle Prohibits All Meetings | The Harvard Crimson - Jan. 25, 1960 |

A fundamental value and essential principle of the Republic, secularism is a French invention

"France is an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs" states the Constitution of 1958. The "freedom to practice religion" has been recognised since 1905 when the loi sur la séparation de l'Église et de l'État (Law on the Separation of the Church and State) came into effect.

Pakistan forces move to clear Islamists in anti-French protests | Rfi France |


Dottrina Mitterand

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by Oui on Wed Apr 28th, 2021 at 02:46:17 PM EST
Re: Macron Islam Policy Facing Mutiny

Candy ass threats of "mutiny", rather: no need to write headlines like a British tabloid. And it is certainly not "Macron Islam Policy" these armchair warriors are rejecting: Macron's government is pushing new laws that will submit Muslim people (and others) to more restrictions and arbitrary administrative decisions. The Interior minister, Gerald Darmanin told Marine Le Pen she's "not going far enough", during a televised debate two months ago.

What the fascists, in uniform or not, are really angry about, is that the French population is no longer uniformly white and catholic, like the good old days, when the few colored people "knew their place".

by Bernard on Wed Apr 28th, 2021 at 06:23:14 PM EST
Specifically, the authors warned of an apocalyptic "civil war" and an "explosion" that would lead to "the intervention of our active duty comrades in a perilous mission to protect our values".

By the way, incitement to "disobedience of active members of the military" is punishable by up to five years in prison (source).

by Bernard on Wed Apr 28th, 2021 at 06:36:43 PM EST
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Mutiny - The term is commonly used for a rebellion among members of the military against an internal force, but it can also sometimes mean any type of rebellion against any force. Mutiny does not necessarily need to refer to a military force and can describe a political, economic, or power structure in which there is a change of power.

In my opinion, the politics of president Macron is strikt to move closer to extreme right views for electoral gain. He fails as leader who should unite groups in French society. The failures in living conditions, health and education has been highlighted by the Covid-19 pandemic. Problems should be solved and not shoved aside. This is so similar to most western nations especially the US, UK and The Netherlands.

by Oui on Wed Apr 28th, 2021 at 08:40:00 PM EST
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Can't disagree :)
by Bernard on Thu Apr 29th, 2021 at 05:10:44 PM EST
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Lone wolf attacks are just not preventable. Stupid acts by cabinet ministers and right-wing opposition will not unite but only divide and spurn future attacks. Macron making the devilish incident bigger for political gain will not help. Decades of accepting a status quo is just kicking the can down the road. Top down policy needs to be reversed to bottom up. Work inside the community to make connections to persons left behind. Be available for people and families in need. Too many managers and too few workers with feet in the mud.

France pays tribute to police employee fatally stabbed in Rambouillet near Paris

President Emmanuel Macron visited the police station in Rambouillet as well as the bakery owned by the husband of the victim, a 49-year-old mother of two teenage girls.

The latest violence targeting police is likely to heighten attention on the danger of Islamic extremism in France and on wider concerns about security and immigration a year ahead of presidential elections.

Polls currently indicate that Macron will face a tough race against far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who accused the government of failing to eradicate "Islamism" in the wake of the attack.

But other critics say Macron's efforts to tackle religious extremism, including making it easier for authorities to track foreign funding of mosques, risk stigmatising or alienating French Muslims.

Emmanuel Macron: From celebrated centrist to divisive leader | Al Jazeera - Nov. 19, 2020 |

Marine Le Pen operates exactly as our Dutch Islamophobe behaves.

by Oui on Thu Apr 29th, 2021 at 11:40:08 AM EST
by Oui on Thu Apr 29th, 2021 at 11:41:07 AM EST
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How the far-right has shifted France's political center of gravity | CS Monitor |

As next year's presidential elections in France approach, the two front-runners are trying on each other's clothes.

Marine Le Pen, traditionally a candidate of the extreme right, is seeking more moderate voters by steering her party, the National Rally, toward the middle ground of French politics. More surprisingly, perhaps, President Emmanuel Macron is veering sharply rightward, shocking many of his supporters and raising questions about the boundaries of acceptable political discourse.

"We are seeing [National Rally] ideas have become normalized and a structural part of mainstream debate," says Gilles Ivaldi, who teaches at Sciences Po and the French National Centre for Scientific Research in Paris. "That is a reality."

by Oui on Thu Apr 29th, 2021 at 11:41:39 AM EST
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Quite right about lone wolf attacks. What is striking is that there have been no collectively-organised attacks since the terrible wave of 2015. This indicates to me that the cops are genuinely on top of it, listening, infiltrating and preventing.

Even the horrible slaughter in Nice in 2016 was a lone-wolf affair. Something that might have been technically prevented on the day, but catching the guy beforehand : no. Each new attack leads to an outcry for new laws to prevent them; concretely, this boils down to a demand for more repression against Muslims.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Apr 30th, 2021 at 01:53:18 PM EST
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Great insight into the person Thierry Baudet and the utter stupidity of the young generation on politics, history and building society ... this man, just like his mirror image, has no vision, policy and lives by the day on social media. The same can be said of Dutch media, no depth and covering the social media topics from gutter news to rightwing rhetoric. Spreading official propaganda of government without any effort to offer an objective perspective on the topic. When an "expert" is offered an interview, the choice are propagandists like Anne Applebaum, Carl Bildt, Eliot Higgins and Hubert Smeets in Window on Russia.

How Covid derailed the great hope of the Dutch far right | The Guardian - March 4, 2021 |

More leaked WhatsApp conversations followed, this time of Baudet himself allegedly making racist remarks. On live TV Baudet disclosed that he'd had a romantic entanglement with Eva Vlaardingerbroek (her opinion in Sweden), a young woman on his electoral list, who was engaged to a French associate of Marine Le Pen. The TV show then played an audio clip of Vlaardingerbroek speaking about her disappointment in Baudet's antics and what she claimed was "callous racism". Baudet looked briefly shaken and in a small voice said that he had to "readjust himself to this news".

The introspection didn't last long. Instead of backtracking, with the elections less than a fortnight away, Baudet has now gone into full Trump mode. His anti-lockdown, anti-vaxxer rhetoric has become more extreme, more conspiracy minded (anti-vaxxer), more anti-media, even suggesting that his followers use "creative" solutions to optimise proxy voting to the party's advantage.

Since last week he's even been donning a baseball cap.

Baudet will probably keep his current two seats in parliament, if he's lucky he might gain a couple. But he's no longer a contender.

Then again: like Trump, Baudet doesn't believe in the polls.

by Oui on Sat May 1st, 2021 at 05:01:18 AM EST
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Dutch Politics and Election Results

Crucifixion of Mark Rutte

Will Rutte's Falsehoods Catch Up With Him?

Dutch Gneral Election March 2021 - Results

Mark Rutte VVD - 22%
Geert Wilders PVV - 11%
Thierry Baudet FvD - 5% i.e. 8 seats
Split from party Baudet - Joost Eerdmans 2.4% i.e. 3 seats

Total rightwing 40% - 62 seats

The former centrist governing parties Christian Democrats CDA and Labour PvdA are nearly non-existent. Getting poor and negative coverage in the media. Solidarity is not a term influencing individuals in their daily plight of survival to earn a living.

by Oui on Sat May 1st, 2021 at 05:22:39 AM EST
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The weird thing is that Trump lost the election over here in racist America. Why model your campaign on his failed one?
by asdf on Sun May 2nd, 2021 at 06:06:58 PM EST
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In The Netherlands there are more tha sufficient percentage of the electorate waiting to be served by idiots in Dutch parliament ... follow the money.

U.S. groups helped fund Dutch anti-Islam politician Wilders | Reuters - Sept. 2012 |

ME Forum of Daniel Pipes, CAMERA, David Horowitz Freedom Center ... Right Wing Funding

On Thierry Baudet ...

Dutch lawmakers demand answers after U.S. ambassador Hoekstra holds party for right-wing populists at embassy | WaPo - Sept. 2020 |

See my earlier diaries: key words Hoekstra - Geert Wilders - Fear Inc. - Thierry Baudet - Islamophobia - Israel lobby

by Oui on Sun May 2nd, 2021 at 07:46:44 PM EST
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by Oui on Thu Apr 29th, 2021 at 03:20:03 PM EST

Barnier fuels presidential bid rumours with new political group | RTÉ - Feb. 16, 2021 |

    Over the past week, Barnier has appeared in French media interviews talking up his four years as chief EU negotiator on Britain's departure from the world's biggest trading bloc; all encapsulated in his new book, The Great Illusion, coming out on Thursday.
by Oui on Wed May 5th, 2021 at 05:43:30 PM EST
Publishing a book is part of the "compulsory figures" as a preparation for any significant run for office in French politics (actually selling said book matters very little, believe it or not): Barnier is obviously preparing his grand return on the national stage.

This would be a first in France: serving in EU positions in Brussels and - even worse - at the EP in Strasbourg are considered political exile in Siberia. Barnier could be the first to restart a national political career in France after such a long stint in the EU institutions.

by Bernard on Thu May 6th, 2021 at 05:09:22 PM EST
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by Oui on Wed May 12th, 2021 at 07:56:25 PM EST
by Oui on Wed May 12th, 2021 at 07:57:17 PM EST
by Bernard on Thu May 13th, 2021 at 05:56:15 PM EST
by Oui on Thu May 13th, 2021 at 07:20:48 PM EST

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