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The end of the post WWII liberal consensus and the emergence of a new fascism?

by Frank Schnittger Sat Nov 2nd, 2024 at 07:57:14 PM EST


Based on the most recent opinion polling, Trump will win the electoral college.


The main lesson to be learned from the end of WWII and the Cold War is that fascism, totalitarianism, and authoritarianism tend to end in tears, often very bloody ones, but that lesson has been lost in the intervening years. The rise of Trump, the invasion of Ukraine, the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, Brexit, and the re-emergence of hard right parties throughout Europe all challenged the post war liberal consensus that international cooperation, freer trade, economic integration, social inclusion, gender equality, and human rights were the path to greater peace, prosperity, social cohesion, and democratic governance.

The rot set in when China began to eat the "West's" lunch in terms of manufacturing, and India began to compete successfully on software development and services. Africa's population explosion amid climate change has also put huge pressure on migration pathways. Investment by Global corporations gravitated toward cheaper labour costs in less developed countries, and those countries gradually moved up the economic food chain. The world economy grew more rapidly than ever before, but relatively speaking, many in the West were losing out, and particularly the working classes who used to rule the roost in many industrialised communities. Computerisation, automation and AI threaten to extend that loss of relative affluence and influence to the middle classes.

The political response has been to scapegoat immigrants and blame free trade and those elites seen to benefits from both. A huge political divide has opened up between the relative winners and losers of globalisation. It matters little that the USA's economy has recovered from the financial crash and Pandemic in great shape with solid growth, rapid employment growth, low unemployment and declining inflation. People feel they are losing out to foreigners and need someone to blame. Trump addresses that need perfectly. Warnings from some of Trump's closest past collaborators and advisers that he is a fascist are falling on deaf ears. The events of the 1930's have no resonance for most voters now.

At his last major rally in Madison Square Garden, for instance, Trump replaced his signature blue suit and red tie with the Black and gold of the neofascist Proud Boys, the extremist group that was central to the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capital. At the rally, the comedian Tony Hinchcliffe described Puerto Rico as a floating island of garbage in scripted and vetted remarks that were included in the teleprompter feed. About six million people of Puerto Rican origan live in the USA, a million of them in critical battleground states. Blacks, Latinos, Hispanics, gays and other minorities also came in for regular abuse. It doesn't seem to matter. His base lapped it up, and that base includes increasing numbers of minority voters.

Trump has gained about 2 percentage points in the polls in the past few weeks and that has been enough for him to move past the tipping point in key battleground states:

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The "blue wall" has been breached in Nevada and Pennsylvania, and while the margins are wafer thin, the trend has been all in one direction. Meanwhile Harris' compensatory pick-up opportunities in Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina have trended further out of reach. 538 still has Trump behind Harris in the national popular vote although one poll aggregator, https://www.realclearpolitics.com, which uses a simpler aggregation methodology, now has Trump in the lead there as well.

So, unless there is a major polling industry failure, something not unknown in US politics, Trump looks by far the more likely to win at this stage. In 2020 the polls underestimated Trumps appeal by about 2% while in 2022 they underestimated the performance of the Democrats in the mid-term elections by a similar margin. Given Trump's lead in the polling in key marginal states, it would take a collective error by the polling industry of a similar magnitude for Kamala Harris to win the election now.

Polling failures can arise for a number of different reasons.

  1. Polls are a snapshot of opinions at the time they are taken, and opinions can change right up to the moment a voter enters the polling booth. A lot of voters only make up their minds very late in the day.
  2. Giving an opinion to a pollster and taking the trouble to travel, queue up, and vote are two different things. Pollsters try to account for this by seeking to measure the degree of voter enthusiasm for either candidate and adjusting their results by the "likelihood" that a voter will actually vote. Some polls are a sample of all registered voters, some of "likely voters" only.
  3. A lot of polls are by pollsters with partisan leanings, sometimes including contractual ties to either campaign to provide polling intelligence. There may be a tendency to tell the client what he wants to hear.
  4. Some polls, called "push polls," are more designed to actually influence rather than measure attitudes by creating a media narrative that their favoured candidate is winning or at least improving in the polls.
  5. Pollsters who get results very different to other pollsters may "adjust" their results to avoid being seen as a total outlier and unreliable pollsters - a phenomenon known as "herding".
  6. The "shy Tory" effect, whereby those giving their opinion are reluctant to share their true feelings with the Pollster. In the past this may have resulted in more people actually voting for Trump than said they would do so when asked by a pollster. Alternatively, women in conservative, religious, or patriarchal households or communities might be reluctant to admit a preference for Harris. Some right wing commentators have suggested that wives have a duty to vote in line with their husbands.
So, it is still quite possible to construct an argument that Harris will win, but the bottom line is that the signs are ominous for her: The trend has been inexorably towards Trump in recent weeks and early voting trends have been mixed, with more Republicans voting earlier than usual, but also more women - who tend to favour Harris by wide margins in the polls.


Personally, I still think Harris will win, but I am almost afraid to write that for fear of it being wishful thinking on my part. Certainly, what polling data we have doesn't support that view. Perhaps I am just reluctant to give up my faith in humanity. A victory for Trump would have huge negative repercussion for the future of this planet, and those who say such fears are overdone simply don't know their history.

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A nail biter ... still too close to call ... the independent and yet undecided  voter will give the final result ... polls have been off ....

See here Pennsylvania and the value of polls here.

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 05:11:51 AM EST
As an American living in Europe I am very much aware of the difference in polling between mature democracies and the United States, all the more so when a political party floods the public market with false polls to dope the aggregators or creates false betting companies. There is simply no comparison between the legal safeguards in Europe, however flawed they may be, and the the lack of professionality and legal requirements in the States. After all, U.S. professional categories are regulated, such as doctors, lawyers and plumbers. Pollsters get along on reputation and arbitrarily doping their polls to have them align with other pollsters. First Amendment concerns protects bullshit.

Let me make an example: Italy. All electoral and political polls that are published in Italy must be published contemporarily on the state Agcom site with the complete methodology, all statistical analyses, response rates, method of interviewing, verbatim sequence of questions asked, etc., etc. Further it is forbidden to publish polls within two weeks of an election. Try to regulate polls stateside with those criteria.

In the end you have to rely on the reputation and track record of polling companies. For example, today the Des Moines Register/ Mediacom poll has Harris winning Iowa by 3 points while other polls have her losing by up to 10 points. The only problem is that Mediacom has an excellent reputation for being exact within 1 percentage point for the past 15 years. Why? because they stick to themselves and don't feed in arbitrary factors such as alignment with other polls that are heavily biased by slipshod polling companies that are in the act of flooding the polling market with pro-Trump polls.

Nor is Mediacom in the business of cutting corners to save money. They actually interviewed over 800 people. But in the end we are talking about reputation against fluff and clickbait, given that regulation only amounts to the professional honesty of single polling companies in the States.

The best approach is to ignore American polls.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 08:52:14 AM EST
Iowa Poll: Kamala Harris leapfrogs Donald Trump to take lead near Election Day. Here's how | Des Moines Register |

The results follow a September Iowa Poll that showed Trump with a 4-point lead over Harris and a June Iowa Poll showing him with an 18-point lead over Democratic President Joe Biden, who was the presumed Democratic nominee at the time. 

Amazing in June ...

  • Biden's approval rating among all Iowans has remained low at 28%.


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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 09:45:03 AM EST
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In my analysis of 21st century developments you refer to secondary effects only. The roots of the alt-right started for the Republicans under Barry Goldwater (1964)and it went underground but quietly expanded. The Clinton years set the stage for both isolation of the Russian Federation and the upheaval of the Middle East with ally Israel. Netanyahu Zionist policy took hold and expanded from there. The 9/11 attacks were visible from mid 90s and changed the Western world ... Netanyahu personally equated the Palestinian question with Al Qaeda terror ... the Neocon wars according to the Project for the New American Century too were rooted in the mid 90s.

The Covid-19 pandemic became the upbeat for Trump's MAGA policy shunning  Communist China a decade ago a fool's errand to treat Kim Jong Un and Putin as "friendly" dictators. Trump clearly went off the reservation.

The BreXit drama and flow of Syrian refugees into Europe (2015) was the result of xenophobia and Islamophobia post Bush's War on Terror. The role of NATO in the Iraq and Afghan wars was a setting to let the "defense alliance" grow far beyond its founding principles ... it became an expeditionary force for Washington elites.

Fascism is just a small step away ... Joe Biden to my disappointment had been clearly a warmonger and added fuel the Trump's MAGA policy and helped ruin the Middle East along with Zionist buddy Bibi.

European Union expansion YES .... NATO expansion and aggression NO.

It is a choice between Peace ☮️ and War with destruction 🔥 🔥

My diary @BooMan in 2018 ...

Signs of Fascism in a Post-Democratic State

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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 09:17:34 AM EST
A single post added to my 2018 diary as Democrats were already exposed to war rhetoric and anti-Putism as foreign policy: "Make Russia a parish state," both Ivo Daalder and John Kerry @TheAtlanticCouncil.

Bernie Sanders says doesn't believe Israel on Gaza | Ynet News |

  • "My assessment is that Israel 'overreacted' in its response to violent rioting on the Gaza border, Sanders says in CNN interview; 'Gaza is a disaster right now. We're going to continue to see those kinds of demonstrations and protests unless the world community recognizes the problem in Gaza."

In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Sanders was asked if he accepted Israel's version that most of the Palestinian dead were terrorists who directed attacks against Israel under the cover of protesters.

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"No, I don't," Sanders responded. "My understanding is you have tens of thousands of people who were engaged in a non-violent protest. I believe now 15 or 20 people, Palestinians, have been killed, and many many others have been wounded. So I think it's a difficult situation, but my assessment is that Israel overreacted on that."

United States leadership living in a parallel universe ...

Full diary published @EuroTrib today ...

Israel's Gaza Deaths 'An Overreaction'



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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 12:54:46 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 12:55:58 PM EST
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"....started for the Republicans under Barry Goldwater (1964)and it went underground but quietly expanded"

It didn't go very far underground.

Rick Perlstein's books on Goldwater, Nixon, and then Reagan will lay the whole story out for you:  Before the Storm, Nixonland, The Invisible Bridge, and Reaganland.  These authoritarian bastards have never stopped working on getting and keeping power.  They won't stop even if there beaten to a pulp by this election or any other because they know their birthright is to rule over all, arrogantly stupid as they are.

Solar IS Civil Defense

by gmoke on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 08:29:28 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 09:07:56 PM EST
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The historian of the Republican Party, Heather Cox Richardson, has detailed the origins of what she called "Movement Conservatives" in a couple of her books as well as several articles. The post-war impulse was pioneered by William Buckley, Jr. and his schizophrenic brother-in-law L. Brent Bozell under the shadow of McCarthy. It effectively went mainstream with Goldwater. See, "How the South Won the Civil War" among others.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Nov 4th, 2024 at 07:43:59 AM EST
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My last diary here @ET

JBS Hidden from Public Scrutiny

The John Birch Society (JBS), or Birchers, as Matthew Dallek calls them in his new history, slots into a long genealogy of rightwing conspiracy movements that date back to the republic's founding.

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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 6th, 2024 at 08:02:18 AM EST
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Then there is often sanity at Marcy Wheeler's emptywheel website, a most authoritative view of amurkan politics...
male pollsters shocked when a woman pollster discovers woman


"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sun Nov 3rd, 2024 at 02:36:48 PM EST
Autocracy: Rules for Survival | The New York Review | by Masha Gessen

Trump is anything but a regular politician and this has been
anything but a regular election. It might be worth considering
the rules I've learned for surviving in an autocracy and
salvaging your sanity and self-respect.

November 10, 2016

"Thank you, my friends. Thank you. Thank you. We have lost. We have lost, and this is the last day of my political career, so I will say what must be said. We are standing at the edge of the abyss. Our political system, our society, our country itself are in greater danger than at any time in the last century and a half. The president-elect has made his intentions clear, and it would be immoral to pretend otherwise. We must band together right now to defend the laws, the institutions, and the ideals on which our country is based."

A book review ...



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by Oui (Oui) on Wed Nov 6th, 2024 at 07:57:34 AM EST

Add The Netherlands 🇳🇱 and Germany 🇩🇪 too ... the protest vote continues.

Democrats' disconnect with the working class paved GOP's path to victory | TRT World |



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by Oui (Oui) on Sun Nov 10th, 2024 at 08:29:33 PM EST
Any pundit who writes "Democrats disconnect from the working class..." is full of shit. Sounds like that asshole Kristof.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Nov 11th, 2024 at 01:11:46 PM EST
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I wouldn't want to feed the number of pundits who repeat this line ...
I haven't read the statistics of the polling, but such a clear victory of national support is quite astonishing ...

Democrats did lose critical endorsements including large unions, WaPo of Bezos and the LA Times ...

I do know the Afro-Americans and Hispanics made a swing towards Trump ... corrupting minds by promises and illusions. Populists and authoritarianism are attractive for those who are in the lower income class and believe in the American Dream. The corporate media and journalism are not taking their responsibility ... if one doesn't follow social media crap, you lose readers.

Clearly incumbents have a hard time ... the EU is absolutely on the wrong footing ... there is no logic an idiot like Geert Wilders proudly  represents the largest party PVV in new Dutch coalition gathering today between 35-40% in the polls. Watch the next German election ... Trump look-alikes wil triumph. Attack the "Left" and European social-democrats are communists. McCarthyism is back and the Democrats in the States fell for the BS and a trap set by the extreme right. The party of HRC ruined the changes and future of Democrats. The Biden win was a last gasp ... realism should have set in and he should have been a transitional leader of the party.

20 years ago In the fictional range of right to left I was considered a centrist, a bit to the left ... today everyone, except 5% perhaps, have passed me on the right. Political rhetoric of today divides to the extreme ... what happened in Amsterdam letting Netanyahu set the narrative is a bloody example. Lies and manipulation have become a form of new culture.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Nov 11th, 2024 at 02:58:52 PM EST
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Rebecca Solnit put that argument to rest immediately. As for Sanders he apparently forgot what he did, together with Biden, these past four years.
A quick check on election results throughout the world doesn't support the other thesis. Cherry picking can only go so far, ironically in coincidence with the Moldavia elections.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Nov 12th, 2024 at 06:40:58 AM EST
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Reality and perception are two separate modes in election rhetoric ... social media has a damning effect on election campaigns ... living in a fantasy world of wishful thinking... were the Romans right to steer government policy by the Senate instead of Greek style democracy?

Link to MSNBC article ..

The Biden administration was staunchly pro-labor, subsidized Obamacare and managed to avoid a recession. But Trump and Republicans sold resentment, and it worked.

The flaw in US democracy of unequal representation in the Senate and electoral system may lead to a dictatorial regime in Washington.

Understanding democratic decline in the United States | Brookings - Oct 2023 |

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by Oui (Oui) on Tue Nov 12th, 2024 at 08:42:30 AM EST
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Author of my referenced article is David Schultz

Hamline University professor David Schultz talked about his book, Generational Politics in the United States: From the Silents to Gen Z and Beyond [Video C-Span]

The Role of Generations in American Politics | YouTube |

Bernie Sanders came to a similar analysis ...

It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.

While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change.

And they're right.



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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Nov 11th, 2024 at 06:49:48 PM EST
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War and International Politics | John Mearsheimer - NDISC Seminar Series |

John J. Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, where he has taught since 1982. He graduated from West Point (1970), has a PhD in political science from Cornell University (1981), and has written extensively about security issues and international politics.

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Nov 11th, 2024 at 06:51:46 PM EST
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By chance came across a political statement "Are We the Soviets Now"

It's from a nemesis of mine, partner of Ayaan Hirsi Ali 🤬

Washington politics are now a gerontocracy ...

Gerontocracy to Dominate in Affluent Countries?

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Nov 11th, 2024 at 06:52:23 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Nov 11th, 2024 at 07:25:39 PM EST
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